Kit sobbery

Apart from the odd comment that tends to be 'badly put' rather than malicious - I've not really noticed any kit snobbery.

I would never asume somebody with mega expensive gear was 'better' than me or anybody else for that matter - all I know is that they've spent more money. Nobody asumes people with expensive cars are better drivers do they ?

When I look at peoples pictures - I do take into account what kit has been used though.
 
Kit snobbery is evident in all walks of life.

Take for instance the 'toy' trade.

You can buy the very latest Vibe, that costs you £100 (and believe me some of hem do cost that much :eek:). The makers claim this vibe will change your way of organisming (I just created a less vulgar word for masturbating :D) for life. They claim it acts with precision and give great DOF (depth of feel), that no other vibe can give you.

You want to be good at organisming so you take the plunge and buy the big expensive black one. You get it home and after charging the batteries required for your new model, you get into the mood by looking at a few pictures on pornotube Flickr. Now it's time to use your new kit.

After a couple of hours you have figured out where the on switch is, but the other settings are still giving you a head ache (that will teach you for pressing it 'there' too hard!). You've even looked at the instruction booklet that came with it, but it's all foreign to you. This is all because before you bought this expensive bit of kit you hadn't really organismed before. So you really have no idea what you're doing!

Mean while down the road Jo Blogs (first name a mere coincidence) is still having very good orgasms with her very cheap toy (It only cost £10, a tenth of the other one!). She is perfectly happy with her results and gets great satisfaction from it every day.

The lesson? You can spend as much as you like on kit, but if you don't know how to use it you're sexually frustraited pooped. No amount of bragging about that expensive gear is going o make you any better at it, only practise will do that :p

I feel like I might regret this post.
 
Jo said:
Kit snobbery is evident in all walks of life.

Take for instance the 'toy' trade.

You can buy the very latest Vibe, that costs you £100 (and believe me some of hem do cost that much :eek:). The makers claim this vibe will change your way of organisming (I just created a less vulgar word for masturbating :D) for life. They claim it acts with precision and give great DOF (depth of feel), that no other vibe can give you.

You want to be good at organisming so you take the plunge and buy the big expensive black one. You get it home and after charging the batteries required for your new model, you get into the mood by looking at a few pictures on pornotube Flickr. Now it's time to use your new kit.

After a couple of hours you have figured out where the on switch is, but the other settings are still giving you a head ache (that will teach you for pressing it 'there' too hard!). You've even looked at the instruction booklet that came with it, but it's all foreign to you. This is all because before you bought this expensive bit of kit you hadn't really organismed before. So you really have no idea what you're doing!

Mean while down the road Jo Blogs (first name a mere coincidence) is still having very good orgasms with her very cheap toy (It only cost £10, a tenth of the other one!). She is perfectly happy with her results and gets great satisfaction from it every day.

The lesson? You can spend as much as you like on kit, but if you don't know how to use it you're sexually frustraited pooped. No amount of bragging about that expensive gear is going o make you any better at it, only practise will do that :p

I feel like I might regret this post.
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You are probably right :lol:
 
Bloody Hell Jo, brilliantly funny..................:lol::lol::lol:
 
The snobbery probably comes from jealousy. Jealousy from people who own high end equipment but most likely see talented individuals getting better results from supposedly less capable equipment.
 
trencheel303 said:
The snobbery probably comes from jealousy. Jealousy from people who own high end equipment but most likely see talented individuals getting better results from supposedly less capable equipment.
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What a loverly thought :)
 
Jo said:
...I feel like I might regret this post.
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And the award for the most enjoyable post of the day on TP goes to Jo! :D :lol:

That was absolutely priceless... Puts a whole, new slant on "I've got a big Canon and I know how to use it" ;)

Si
 
Jo said:
Kit snobbery is evident in all walks of life.

Take for instance the 'toy' trade.

You can buy the very latest Vibe, that costs you £100 (and believe me some of hem do cost that much :eek:). The makers claim this vibe will change your way of organisming (I just created a less vulgar word for masturbating :D) for life. They claim it acts with precision and give great DOF (depth of feel), that no other vibe can give you.

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Does that come with a strap(-on) with what it is written on it though?
 
Jo said:
Kit snobbery is evident in all walks of life.

Take for instance the 'toy' trade.

You can buy the very latest Vibe, that costs you £100 (and believe me some of hem do cost that much :eek:). The makers claim this vibe will change your way of organisming (I just created a less vulgar word for masturbating :D) for life. They claim it acts with precision and give great DOF (depth of feel), that no other vibe can give you.

You want to be good at organisming so you take the plunge and buy the big expensive black one. You get it home and after charging the batteries required for your new model, you get into the mood by looking at a few pictures on pornotube Flickr. Now it's time to use your new kit.

After a couple of hours you have figured out where the on switch is, but the other settings are still giving you a head ache (that will teach you for pressing it 'there' too hard!). You've even looked at the instruction booklet that came with it, but it's all foreign to you. This is all because before you bought this expensive bit of kit you hadn't really organismed before. So you really have no idea what you're doing!

Mean while down the road Jo Blogs (first name a mere coincidence) is still having very good orgasms with her very cheap toy (It only cost £10, a tenth of the other one!). She is perfectly happy with her results and gets great satisfaction from it every day.

The lesson? You can spend as much as you like on kit, but if you don't know how to use it you're sexually frustraited pooped. No amount of bragging about that expensive gear is going o make you any better at it, only practise will do that :p

I feel like I might regret this post.
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Jo, that post is an absolute classic :thumbs:
:lol::lol:
 
Jo said:
Kit snobbery is evident in all walks of life.

Take for instance the 'toy' trade.

You can buy the very latest Vibe, that costs you £100 (and believe me some of hem do cost that much :eek:). The makers claim this vibe will change your way of organisming (I just created a less vulgar word for masturbating :D) for life. They claim it acts with precision and give great DOF (depth of feel), that no other vibe can give you.

You want to be good at organisming so you take the plunge and buy the big expensive black one. You get it home and after charging the batteries required for your new model, you get into the mood by looking at a few pictures on pornotube Flickr. Now it's time to use your new kit.

After a couple of hours you have figured out where the on switch is, but the other settings are still giving you a head ache (that will teach you for pressing it 'there' too hard!). You've even looked at the instruction booklet that came with it, but it's all foreign to you. This is all because before you bought this expensive bit of kit you hadn't really organismed before. So you really have no idea what you're doing!

Mean while down the road Jo Blogs (first name a mere coincidence) is still having very good orgasms with her very cheap toy (It only cost £10, a tenth of the other one!). She is perfectly happy with her results and gets great satisfaction from it every day.

The lesson? You can spend as much as you like on kit, but if you don't know how to use it you're sexually frustraited pooped. No amount of bragging about that expensive gear is going o make you any better at it, only practise will do that :p

I feel like I might regret this post.
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Cheered me up no end Jo :thumbs::thumbs:
 
And the Hitachi Magic Wand prize of the day definately goes to Jo.

Now I'm beginning to understand why I don't have one eye dominant, I've spent too many years with them crossed! lol ;)

Brilliant, absolutely brilliant :)
 
AliB said:
And the Hitachi Magic Wand prize of the day definately goes to Jo.

Now I'm beginning to understand why I don't have one eye dominant, I've spent too many years with them crossed! lol ;)

Brilliant, absolutely brilliant :)
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Ah, the good ones make you go bozz eyed to? :lol:
 
Jo said:
Kit snobbery is evident in all walks of life.

Take for instance the 'toy' trade.

You can buy the very latest Vibe, that costs you £100 (and believe me some of hem do cost that much :eek:).
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I would have thought you could find a real one for that money !
 
:'( I knew I would regret it.

I preferred not common or corrupt.
 
Love it!!
 
Scarecrow said:
I would be guilty of thinking along the lines of I would never buy a crop lens. However, that's not through any hint of snobbery, as I do own a crop frame camera. But I also own a full frame camera, and if I'm going to spend my hard earned on another lens, it makes sense to buy one that can be used on both bodies, otherwise I'm restricting my photo taking options by 50%.
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By owning both, does that mean you wont bring yourself down to a lower level and speak to yourself :thinking: :lol::lol:
 
Jo said:
No amount of bragging about that expensive gear is going o make you any better at it, only practise will do that :p

I feel like I might regret this post.
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Ive gone past all that now Jo :shrug: I just put my pants and her knickers in the washing machine together and let them get on with it :nuts:
 
TheNissanMan said:
I think this is where the thread potentially starts to get into problems.

Personally I don't see the logic, I currently have a 500D, I'm lucky that I could afford a 1D/5D but at the moment my skills don't warrant it. I am an amatuer photographer who is learning from scratch after a long abscence from photography.

There were valid reasons for me chosing a cheaper albeit very good (IMO) camera but it does not eman that I am less interested in photography. I'm very interested, I'm here to learn and absorb information, I'll talk to everyone and anyone who'll give me advise and pass on bits I pick up to those starting on the forum and asking the same questions that I asked not so very long ago!

It could be argued that those with the FF more expensive camera's have reached a plateau or got bored as have been posted recentlythat may be less interested in talking photography or sharing their knowledge...
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OK, I certainly wasn't trying to cause problems so I'll try to explain how my logic for understanding the original thread works by considering the three groups of people:
  1. Consumer DSLR users
  2. Semi-pro / pro DSLR users
  3. People with an interest in photography

Now, I'm not going to pretend to have any hard data on it but I'd bet that there is a bigger proportion of those in group 2 in group 3, than members of group 1 in group 3. So I can understand that logic behond thinking that the probability of any particular Consumer DSLR user being interested in photography is lower than the probability of a pro/semi-pro DSLR user being interested in photography.

The caveat to this whole thing is that group 1 is probably so much bigger than group 2 that the absolute number of members in group 1 & 3 (such as you & me as I have a 400D) is probably higher than the number in group 2 & 3.

My issue and the reason I posted was that the original thread was mis-quoted (nobody said they wouldn't talk to a 400D user) and changed compleatly the emphasis and meaning of the original thread to a point **** was unfair to the poster in the original thread.

Matt
 
I would and do assume that 99.9% of the comments on here in the "x is > y threads" (be it C v N, FF v CF), are banter...... and get taken out of context far too easily... How many of us have sent an email to a colleague etc which was meant to be humourous, but obviously the inflexion and tone of the human voice gets lost in the ether that is the interweb....and offence is caused???

I think within about 5 mins, I could find 100+ posts where x says Canon > Nikon, and y says Nikon > Canon..... whereas obviously x+y are heathens as everyone really knows Pentax are the dogs danglies..... one day you will wake up and realise....you are ALL Nikon whores and canon tarts :lol: Trust me. Ask Mr Bailey!

for me, life is too short to

a) get upset about what some person I will probably never meet thinks on an internet forum

b) have p***ing up the wall contests.... as in My 400d is better than your whatever it is in Nikon land...

c) Talk to anyone else who has a camera round his neck. (cool people carry! :D) S/He might be a geek, and obviously having a "proper" camera dangling round their neck will make them a terrorist / P**** / weirdo.... and you don't want to be associated with those sorts!

:lol:


Right, having lit the blue touchpaper I am sitting back and opening my big bag of popcorn.
 
Lynton said:
for me, life is too short to

a) get upset about what some person I will probably never meet thinks on an internet forum

b) have p***ing up the wall contests.... as in My 400d is better than your whatever it is in Nikon land...

c) Talk to anyone else who has a camera round his neck. (cool people carry! :D) S/He might be a geek, and obviously having a "proper" camera dangling round their neck will make them a terrorist / P**** / weirdo.... and you don't want to be associated with those sorts!
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Well said Lynton. I completely agree :thumbs:

And :lol: :lol: :lol: @ Jo. That's the second time you've made me smile tonight!
 
I buy whats best for me. Everyone else does the same. I'll happily talk to anyone from a pinhole upto some hasseleicamored.

We are all photographers. the kit is simply a means to an end.

Simples
P.S. grunt groan oh oh oh oh pass me a slice of cake jo, sorry sally:)
 
I have witnessed quite a few posts on this site which I felt were snobbish - hence the quote in my signature below. However, thinking back I reckon there's no more snobbery on this forum than on any other I've tried, it's just that this site seems to have more people with top of the range kit - which can be a bit intimidating and make those with lesser kit feel a bit inadequate.

Of course now that I have my shiny new 50D, I feel almost repulsed by my old 400D - of which I used to be so proud. Before when I just had my 400D, I used to sneer at bridge cameras. People with bridge cameras (like my GF) look down their noses at people with mere compacts. We all look down on someone. My mum always brought me up to remember that there's always someone better off than you and always someone worse off than you.

Who here can honestly say they've never been to a zoo and seen the prime spot occupied by someone with a tiny compact and thought, "Oh hurry up and get out of the way, it's not like you're going to get a decent shot with that little thing anyway - let someone with a real camera have a chance!"

Photography is a damn expensive hobby, and we can't all start off with top of the range everything. So apart from those who have so much money they walked into a shop one day and said, "I want to be a photographer, give me the most expensive stuff you have" - remember we all had to start somewhere, and comments about entry level bodies and kit lenses isn't always very encouraging for those just starting out.
 
The way I see it is ,no matter what camera your using sould it be a disposeable from the pound shop or 20k worth of pro kit we're all still photographers and all still taking time out to enjoy it .... To capture our own piece of history so that we can share these images and our own memories with others .
 
I think there alwys hve been and always will be camera snobs,my first SLR was a Chinon and I got a fair ammount of snotty comments from users of "Premium" brands back in those days.Now I have a Canon 350D and lenses ranging from 5 to 30 years old because that is what finances allow and I have had or seen similar comments from owners of the latest "Premium" brands.
Do I give a toss well no because I like what I get out of my cameras and at the end of the day thats what counts and people are sad enough to slag off my kit because there's is better well I feel sorry for them.
Thankfully from experience I think such people are a tiny percentage of TP contributors
 
Far from not talking to people about photography based on what equipment they've got...I get more frustrated by people looking at what i've got and what settings I have.

It's happened to me when I was in Cornwall (1D mkIII and 16-35L - drew crowds on St. Michaels Mount, most embarrasing for the girlfriend) and when I was in the Caribbean (1D mkII and a nifty-fifty).

Both times, I've had to start a conversation because the people staring were either in absolute awe or were too scared.

I even let a guy with a 400D use the 16-35 the other week, nothing wrong with doing that...I'm friendly and approachable, I just obviously look scary and pro.

:'(
 
I have been holding back from posting, as a noob and all that.......but now, well can't wait until this turns into a group buy and a meet!!!! :nuts:
 
There will always be a little bit of mine is better than yours, but we must ensure it does not get out of hand as that would put off a high number of member who take great shots really enjoy their hobby , but just don't have or wish to spend large amounts on kit.

I just don't understand the crop lens issue some people have. I would have thought Canon with the 7D has shown crop is here to stay and moving to very high spec'd cameras, Nikon have taken a different route but the same idea as the D3 full frame can still use your DX crop lenses.
 
It happens in all walks of life and is unavoidable... cars, consoles, tv's, hi-fi's etc etc etc. Just go an any forum and you will find it...

Trick is to just ignore people that only try to grade you based on your kit.

I would prefer to see what people shoot, rather than what they shoot on... The only kit envy I ever get nowadays is for a classic Leica (and mainly because I cant afford one lol) ;)
 
Personally I have noticed very little equipment snobbery on this forum. It's worth remembering that David Bridges who made the original ill-considered comment is only 17 - he'll learn! :D
 
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