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You said "But, let us look at your own experience. You are probably the only one on here who thinks that your son was entitled to discharge a shotgun through a vehicle windscreen with the intention of stopping the driver. Not even a police officer would get away with that, but you think that your lad was hard done to."
According to many PM's sent to me, plenty of people supported his actions. And your assertion that not even a police officer would get away with that is patently wrong, Police officers have got away with shooting AT people (not near them) quite often, sometimes through the windscreen, sometimes through another window, and fatally, and every one of them got away with it.
There's a lot that you don't know about. One of the issues was false evidence that he had fired a final, totally unjustified shot at the rear of the attacking vehicle as it drove away. The Judge accepted this "evidence," which has shades of the Tony Martin case, where Martin murdered a man whilst he was running away, and, going back much further, when the police stated that Derek Bentley had encouraged his accomplice to shoot PC Miles, "Let him have it Chris". Bentley was first pardoned and later aquitted on appeal, long after he had been hanged, and that claimed statement relates to a very similar case a couple of years before, I vaguely remember that this had involved someone called Appleby or Appleton, something like that, who had allegedly said the same thing, but I question whether the Judge would have accepted the police evidence if he had known that one of the police involved later ended up in prison for corruption and his boss lost his job. These things happen, most police are 100% straight but others are not.
As for your comments about my out-of-date knowledge of police dog training, you're right about that, my involvement stopped in the late 90's. I was merely agreeing with your opinion that police dogs used to be far more effective than they are allowed to be now - and yet you criticise me for it!
My own history is that I used to be a very successful Obedience competition trainer, competing at championship level. I eventually realised that I was never going to actually win the championship and switched firstly to Working Trials, then to problem dog training, and eventually got involved with police dog training through my friendship with an exceptional dog trainer who was contracted by Essex police, and it kind of went from there. Even today, I can still often "see" dogs thinking.
Let's not fall out about this, I see your viewpoint, but feel that your opinions may be over-sympathetic to the police, which is understandable, but the fact remains (getting back on topic) that the police have let the victim down, not once but repeatedly. You may think that they've done their best, I think that they have totally failed, due possibly to laziness, apathy or incompetence.
You said "But, let us look at your own experience. You are probably the only one on here who thinks that your son was entitled to discharge a shotgun through a vehicle windscreen with the intention of stopping the driver. Not even a police officer would get away with that, but you think that your lad was hard done to."
According to many PM's sent to me, plenty of people supported his actions. And your assertion that not even a police officer would get away with that is patently wrong, Police officers have got away with shooting AT people (not near them) quite often, sometimes through the windscreen, sometimes through another window, and fatally, and every one of them got away with it.
There's a lot that you don't know about. One of the issues was false evidence that he had fired a final, totally unjustified shot at the rear of the attacking vehicle as it drove away. The Judge accepted this "evidence," which has shades of the Tony Martin case, where Martin murdered a man whilst he was running away, and, going back much further, when the police stated that Derek Bentley had encouraged his accomplice to shoot PC Miles, "Let him have it Chris". Bentley was first pardoned and later aquitted on appeal, long after he had been hanged, and that claimed statement relates to a very similar case a couple of years before, I vaguely remember that this had involved someone called Appleby or Appleton, something like that, who had allegedly said the same thing, but I question whether the Judge would have accepted the police evidence if he had known that one of the police involved later ended up in prison for corruption and his boss lost his job. These things happen, most police are 100% straight but others are not.
As for your comments about my out-of-date knowledge of police dog training, you're right about that, my involvement stopped in the late 90's. I was merely agreeing with your opinion that police dogs used to be far more effective than they are allowed to be now - and yet you criticise me for it!
My own history is that I used to be a very successful Obedience competition trainer, competing at championship level. I eventually realised that I was never going to actually win the championship and switched firstly to Working Trials, then to problem dog training, and eventually got involved with police dog training through my friendship with an exceptional dog trainer who was contracted by Essex police, and it kind of went from there. Even today, I can still often "see" dogs thinking.
Let's not fall out about this, I see your viewpoint, but feel that your opinions may be over-sympathetic to the police, which is understandable, but the fact remains (getting back on topic) that the police have let the victim down, not once but repeatedly. You may think that they've done their best, I think that they have totally failed, due possibly to laziness, apathy or incompetence.
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