Justice for the 96

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After reading the Hillsborough report today. I just want to say my thoughts are with the families connected with 96 who never returned home from a game of football.

Finally after 23 years the world knows the TRUTH about what happened that day, and one hopes cover ups like the police made back then can never be allowed to happen again, and that someone is made accountable for the deaths of 96 innocent people.

Phil
 
They just played YNWA in full on TalkSport. I was belting it out and crying. What a momentous day for all Liverpool fans and especially the 96. Let the truth set them free.
 
Key Points (FROM THE BBC WEBSITE)

The prime minister makes a "proper apology" to the families of those that have died.

"I am profoundly sorry," he saysFormer Sun editor Kelvin MacKenzie, who wrote the headline The Truth, has offered his "profuse apologies to the people of Liverpool"

David Crompton, chief constable of South Yorkshire Police, "profoundly apologises" to both the families of the 96 Hillsborough victims and Liverpool fans in general.

The panel finds that a total of 41 people out of 96 "had the potential to be saved" beyond the 1515 time determined by the original inquest

The report finds flaws in the police operation and new evidence that the police carried out checks on those who had died in order to "impugn their reputations"

The report finds 164 statements were "significantly amended" and 116 "removed negative comments" about policing operation
 
PSILVERMAN said:
Not having read the documents, can you sum them up?
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It basically stated the liverpool fans were not (as widely and wrongly believed) to blame for the events that day.

it states the police and the media cooperated in a cover up that included a smear campaign agains the victims in an attempt to paint a bad picture of liverpool fans and lay the blame at their door thus deflecting the awful mistakes the police and other emergency forces made that day.

164 statements were edited by the police removing any negative comments on their handling of the operation.

Police conducted alcohol blood tests on the bodies of the dead in an attempt to paint back up their false story that the fans were abusive, violent and drunk.

What must happen now is a full enquiry into the cover up and to see how high up this goes. My suspicions are it extends to government level:suspect:
 
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The families have the truth now they deserve justice.

JFT96
 
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sjmcdonnell said:
The families have the truth now they deserve justice.

JFT96
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i'm no scouser. I live in Leeds and been a liverpool fan for as long as I can remember but each time I hear about what happened that day I get so upset, but then when I hear the lies that the police spread in the aftermath it makes me so angry and I truly hope the families get their Justice.

just so glad the world finally knows the truth of what happened that day.
 
redmonkee said:
i'm no scouser. I live in Leeds and been a liverpool fan for as long as I can remember but each time I hear about what happened that day I get so upset, but then when I hear the lies that the police spread in the aftermath it makes me so angry and I truly hope the families get their Justice.

just so glad the world finally knows the truth of what happened that day.
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I am a scouser (Evertonian) we all knew the truth but it has taken 23 years for everyone else to believe.
 
sjmcdonnell said:
I am a scouser (Evertonian) we all knew the truth but it has taken 23 years for everyone else to believe.
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I know 23 years is far too long. But what I do know is that from my visits to liverpool you really are the most welcoming, witty and friendly people and I for one never believed the false reports that have come out over the years.

YNWA
 
The truth has been out for 23 years. All this report does is tell people what they wanted to hear. It makes the families feel better by suggesting the blame lies somewhere other than with the fans. This report was never going to come out with the actual truth because it would upset too many people.

It's a good thing that this report has come out but the whole thing should have been laid to rest 20 years ago.
 
-Rob- said:
This report was never going to come out with the actual truth because it would upset too many people.
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And what do you know that we don't that suggests the report doesn't contain the truth?
 
Whatever the report says it is way overdue. The reality is that the report is about an institution a generation ago. Whatever they say about the police, media, fire, ambulance or even the fans is WAY out of date now...

If mistakes were made, and it seems that they were then it is up to the government to deal with it but you can't really blame anybody in these occupations now. The reality is that virtually nobody in any position of power policing the actual event is going to be still working now!
 
sjmcdonnell said:
The families have the truth now they deserve justice.

JFT96
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I'm glad the truth is now coming out, but what do you consider justice to be?
 
joescrivens said:
And what do you know that we don't that suggests the report doesn't contain the truth?
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All the files that have been shredded for starters ,footage of that tragic day was destroyed .

Can't imagine how the people involved in this criminal act can live with themselves .....
 
joescrivens said:
And what do you know that we don't that suggests the report doesn't contain the truth?
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I'm sure the report contains a lot of truth, just not the whole truth.

It's a report that looks in to the police and paramedics ability to prevent an event that never should have happened. There were thousands of people at fault. Most of them fans and to some degree police and medics but no way could anyone have predicted what happened in such a way that they prepared themselves any differently for that match.

Justice will never be done, it can't be done. It was tragic but nothing can be done to change the events. Football matches are now safer as a result of that day and that is the closest to justice that the families of the 96 can ever get.

My views are probably controversial but as I knew 34 people at that match including 1 that never came home I've heard a lot of first hand stories of what really happened in and out of the ground and most of that will never make it in to an official government report.
 
I was in Singapore watching this live on TV....very disturbing and I can tell you I saw things that day that made me want to scream at the police, stewards and fans.

Hopefully we can show some respect for the dead and let them RiP without making this an individual witch-hunt.

Too many variables to attain absolute blame but there should definitely be reprisals for any one guilty of a cover up trying to lay wrongful blame.

A momentously sad day for Britain.
 
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cowasaki said:
Whatever the report says it is way overdue. The reality is that the report is about an institution a generation ago. Whatever they say about the police, media, fire, ambulance or even the fans is WAY out of date now...

If mistakes were made, and it seems that they were then it is up to the government to deal with it but you can't really blame anybody in these occupations now. The reality is that virtually nobody in any position of power policing the actual event is going to be still working now!
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Surely it isn't important whether they are still working...
Most will still be alive, and if there is evidence that they have committed serious criminal offences such as perverting the course of justice, then this is a matter for the criminal courts.

If I covered up my actions, and forced my junior officers to cover up for me, I'm sure that I would end up in court - and rightly so. Everyone should be treated equally under the law.
 
Garry Edwards said:
Surely it isn't important whether they are still working...
Most will still be alive, and if there is evidence that they have committed serious criminal offences such as perverting the course of justice, then this is a matter for the criminal courts.

If I covered up my actions, and forced my junior officers to cover up for me, I'm sure that I would end up in court - and rightly so. Everyone should be treated equally under the law.
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I'm talking about not blaming these organisations now as the persons responsible are no longer there.

Going after those responsible personally is another matter even if they are 60-70 years old.
 
Fair comment
 
cowasaki said:
Whatever the report says it is way overdue. The reality is that the report is about an institution a generation ago. Whatever they say about the police, media, fire, ambulance or even the fans is WAY out of date now...

If mistakes were made, and it seems that they were then it is up to the government to deal with it but you can't really blame anybody in these occupations now. The reality is that virtually nobody in any position of power policing the actual event is going to be still working now!
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You may be right, but according to the Daily Mail the current Chief Constable of W. Yorkshire had a key role in the cover up.
 
Garry Edwards said:
You may be right, but according to the Daily Mail the current Chief Constable of W. Yorkshire had a key role in the cover up.
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If he did then I am sure someone will complain to the ipcc. Normally officers retire after 30 years so 23 years ago he must have had less than 7 years service. That's if he is due to retire now! If he had maybe 4-5 years he would most likely still be a PC or sergeant. At one of those ranks he wouldn't have had much responsibility. Saying all that there are officers with 35+ years which could have made him an inspector or higher. I am sure that if he was responsible then he will probably end up retiring.
 
cowasaki said:
If he did then I am sure someone will complain to the ipcc. Normally officers retire after 30 years so 23 years ago he must have had less than 7 years service. That's if he is due to retire now! If he had maybe 4-5 years he would most likely still be a PC or sergeant. At one of those ranks he wouldn't have had much responsibility. Saying all that there are officers with 35+ years which could have made him an inspector or higher. I am sure that if he was responsible then he will probably end up retiring.
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Well, according to the article, he was a Chief Inspector. If the article is true then I expect that he will be forced to resign on full pension and will keep his knighthood. Is anyone taking bets on whether he will be prosecuted?
 
Lets not forget that there was a "review" (over 120,000 words worth) ordered when Jack Straw was home secretary.
 
Garry Edwards said:
Well, according to the article, he was a Chief Inspector. If the article is true then I expect that he will be forced to resign on full pension and will keep his knighthood. Is anyone taking bets on whether he will be prosecuted?
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Even a chief inspector wouldn't have been making policy decisions but from the sounds of it he did have some input. I'm not going to comment on the rights or wrongs as I know nothing of the facts but if he was a chief inspector 23 years ago he must have already done his 30 years. Reaching Chief inspector in 7 years is possible but rather unlikely. In which case he could literally go tomorrow on a full pension. Whether or not he is chased with others for any wrong doing at the time is a decision of the CPS, IPCC, government etc etc.
 
ding76uk said:
There's a lot of **** in this report, surely some must stick enough for some prosecutions
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I have a question....(maybe it is 2)

prosecute for what?...the cause of the deaths or the cover up that the authorities (not just the police) collectively, were trying to hide the fact that the game should not have been held at the stadium.
 
Admin Edit : Not the time or the thread.
 
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