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Its a s***ty story but this husband is upset about his wifes death climbing everest?
now im up for stuff generally and a good challenge with the wife is a healthy thing.
but he knew his wife was in trouble on the way up but he carried on with her approval, did the job and headed down and she later died and he is upset.

wtf.....?

ok im going to catch the flack on this but climbing everest two up is not a healthy married cuple thin is it?

or are these two f***ed up?
 
I used to scuba dive with my son as my partner, which probably wasn't the brightest idea in some ways but if he had got into any problems I would have died trying to save him, so I am a little surprised any husband would leave his wife. The I haven't gone to the link or read the story so maybe I haven't got the story straight.
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I'm in the same situation as I dive with my wife but it is super cautious stuff and any slight issue and we are heading for the shallows.

The story isn't really about that to be fair its more why on earth would a husband and wife go to everest?
you don't take your wife on a climb where its a 20% death rate.
 
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Wonder what's she's insured for... Not that I'm a cold hearted cynic or anything ;)

Loads die on Everest. First sign of altitude sickness you descend immediately. Clearly she didn't go back down far enough. I thought all Everest climbers had to have oxygen tanks these days? They must be fed up of picking all the bodies of stupid people off that mountain by now.
 
pretty much i am just struggling with the concept of taking your wife to everest.
 
Mr Bump said:
I'm in the same situation as I dive with my wife but it is super cautious stuff and any slight issue and we are heading for the shallows.

The story isn't really about that to be fair its more why on earth would a husband and wife go to everest?
you don't take your wife on a climb where its a 20% death rate.
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Take her?
She's not capable of deciding to go for herself?
Welcome to the 21st century.
 
viv1969 said:
Take her?
She's not capable of deciding to go for herself?
Welcome to the 21st century.
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f*** the 21st century do you want to be responsible for you partners death,,,,

in fatc do you even have one?
 
Mr Bump said:
f*** the 21st century do you want to be responsible for you partners death,,,,

in fatc do you even have one?
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He's not responsible for her death... She was.
She chose to go.
In fact part of her reason for choosing to make the climb was to prove that vegans can do it (her words). Epic fail in this case.
It's no longer the case that a man "let's" his wife do things... Hasn't been for a while .

And no...I don't have a wife.
 
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Mr Bump said:
she later died and he is upset.

wtf.....?
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What? Who wouldn't be upset if their wife died in front of them?

Mr Bump said:
ok im going to catch the flack on this but climbing everest two up is not a healthy married cuple thin is it?

or are these two f***ed up?
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Why is it not? Well, obviously in this case there were horrible consequences. But they have climbed some of the highest mountains in the world together in the past, unfortunately things didn't go to plan this time. They weren't 'two up' either, they were in part of an experienced team, including the Dutch chap on his fourth or fifth Everest accent, who also died on the same trip.

I'm not sure why have a shared interest would make a couple f***ed up.

Mr Bump said:
I'm in the same situation as I dive with my wife but it is super cautious stuff and any slight issue and we are heading for the shallows.

The story isn't really about that to be fair its more why on earth would a husband and wife go to everest?
you don't take your wife on a climb where its a 20% death rate.
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As above, what the hell? Patronising much? Maria was an experienced climber, she also had a PhD and her own job and everything, like a real grown up.

Mr Bump said:
f*** the 21st century do you want to be responsible for you partners death,,,,

in fatc do you even have one?
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Nobody would want to be responsible for their partner's death (murderous people aside). That's not the case here though. She made her own decisions, just as he did, he didn't drag her up the bloody mountain - she walked up herself just as she had on many occasions before. (And not that it's relevant, but to save you asking me as well, yes, I am married).

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Loads die on Everest. First sign of altitude sickness you descend immediately. Clearly she didn't go back down far enough. I thought all Everest climbers had to have oxygen tanks these days? They must be fed up of picking all the bodies of stupid people off that mountain by now.
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She was on her way down, they both had oxygen, as did everyone else in their team. They also had additional oxygen brought up to her along with medication. Seems it isn't as easy as just skipping back down the mountain in five minutes and waiting for your body to recover.
 
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I read this, and I think he did the pushing, and she followed, because it was something he wanted to do. She supported him out of loyalty.
What a tragic ending.
He was obviously a very fit guy, much fitter than his wife, and he was more used to altitude, which she was not.
In two weeks time I have to induct my wife on a gym programme as part of my qualification as a fitness instructor. On the CV kit she is going to use the cross trainer for ten minutes at level 2 for 3 minutes, level 3 for 4 minutes and then level 2 for 3 minutes, which is really pushing her to the limit. However, she is a year younger than me, but because of my background many years ago, I would use a cross trainer for around 40 minutes, starting at level 11, then ramping up to level 16 at three minute intervals, before having a rest in the middle and starting over again.
He was very irresponsible, and he will be left with that legacy for the rest of his life.
 
andy700 said:
I read this, and I think he did the pushing, and she followed, because it was something he wanted to do. She supported him out of loyalty.
What a tragic ending.
He was obviously a very fit guy, much fitter than his wife, and he was more used to altitude, which she was not.
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Based on what? Seems she was rather fit, and from everything I've read and heard, equally experienced in mountaineering having previously climbed some of the highest peaks in the world together. She was the one giving interviews and generating publicity around their effort prior to heading off. What gives you the impression she was just following her husband? (Would someone really fly around the world risking their life on various mountains just to tag along with their partner?).
 
She died doing something she loved and chose freely to do. That's desperately sad, but blaming anyone is wrong. Certainly to be foolish and misguided towArds the husband is
 
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andy700 said:
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In two weeks time I have to induct my wife on a gym programme as part of my qualification as a fitness instructor.
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As I'm sure the course requirement won't stipulate that the inductee must be a spouse, would it not be more accurate to say that you have to induct someone on a gym programme, and that your wife has volunteered of her own free will?
 
Mr Bump said:
I'm in the same situation as I dive with my wife but it is super cautious stuff and any slight issue and we are heading for the shallows.

The story isn't really about that to be fair its more why on earth would a husband and wife go to everest?
you don't take your wife on a climb where its a 20% death rate.
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But that was other people. In general, people are terrible at applying odds of bad things happening to themselves. The odds of being knocked down crossing the road might be a million to one but "meh - that will never happen to me". And yet, people buy lottery tickets where their chances of winning are slimmer.

Actually, in the US, the odds of dying in a car crash are about 1 in 77 but still they drive.
 
I think what you would have to understand the dynamics of the relationship. When I had cancer for the second time my wife understood that I wanted to delay surgery (for a couple of weeks) so we could attend the Mull rally. Look at those who are currently competing in the TT all will have family and all know the risks but they still want/need to do it.
 
viv1969 said:
As I'm sure the course requirement won't stipulate that the inductee must be a spouse, would it not be more accurate to say that you have to induct someone on a gym programme, and that your wife has volunteered of her own free will?
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Let us just say that a lot of coaxing was needed - I couldn't find anyone else.
 
Mr Bump said:
I'm in the same situation as I dive with my wife but it is super cautious stuff and any slight issue and we are heading for the shallows.

The story isn't really about that to be fair its more why on earth would a husband and wife go to everest?
you don't take your wife on a climb where its a 20% death rate.
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Does your wife just tag along for the ride when you go scuba diving or does she actively enjoy doing it?
I hardly think it's a case of I'm climbing Everest, you need to come along and keep me company.
The only thing I would say is once his wife was in difficulty they should have descended rather than him continuing to the top first.
 
Sounds to me on reading that they both underestimated the dangers of altitude sickness despite being experienced climbers (according to the report, she agreed to the husband going on while she waited).

I have no medical knowledge to say one way or the other (only speculation) but the report does say she was a vegan; could her diet maybe have contributed to the seriousness of altitude sickness?
 
andy700 said:
I read this, and I think he did the pushing, and she followed, because it was something he wanted to do. She supported him out of loyalty.
What a tragic ending.
He was obviously a very fit guy, much fitter than his wife, and he was more used to altitude, which she was not.
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Altitude sickness has nothing to do with fitness and can hit anyone I believe. Not sure he was more used to altitude, and not sure you can be unless you live permanently at a certain altitude, I think you have to have stops at various heights to acclimatise, come back down the mountain, back up etc.

They are experienced and he obviously thought she was ok and not showing serious signs in his view. No doubt he regrets continuing now, but who knows at that altitude quite possible neither of them were thinking straight.

A sad story, for me of two people trying something very challenging which they wanted to. Very harsh for people to call the stupid, I never understand this attitude nowdays when people die to almost revel in people's death.
 
nilagin said:
Does your wife just tag along for the ride when you go scuba diving or does she actively enjoy doing it?
I hardly think it's a case of I'm climbing Everest, you need to come along and keep me company.
The only thing I would say is once his wife was in difficulty they should have descended rather than him continuing to the top first.
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She was still alive on his return but died on the descent. Its not unusual for climbers to suffer altitude sickness, they both unfortunately underestimated the severity. A sad tale.
 
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Mr Bump said:
pretty much i am just struggling with the concept of taking your wife to everest.
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I'm struggling with why is this such a strange concept to you? - couples do stuff together all the time.

Maybe you and Mrs Bump are ecstatically happy with a weekly trip to Homebase, but some couples aren't so easily satisfied.
 
I took my wife to see India.
(At the Oval.) Thank you Fawlty Towers.

But speaking as a doctor, with over 20 years of experience in sports medicine, mostly dealing with mountaineers, I'm not one, but I can do the voice, I looked at the link in the first post and was outraged. I didn't actually click on the link, but I could imagine what it was about. Allowing me to jump to all sorts of conclusions.
 
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Alastair said:
I'm struggling with why is this such a strange concept to you? - couples do stuff together all the time.

Maybe you and Mrs Bump are ecstatically happy with a weekly trip to Homebase, but some couples aren't so easily satisfied.
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If she's allowed to go with him.
 
Penfold711 said:
I have no medical knowledge to say one way or the other (only speculation) but the report does say she was a vegan; could her diet maybe have contributed to the seriousness of altitude sickness?
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Allow me to help your speculation. Before I was a vegan I had one occasion of what may have been mild altitude sickness. Since being a vegan I've had zero episodes. I'm going to take that as conclusive proof that being a vegan prevents altitude sickness in 100% of the sample ;) The fact that I haven't been to a similar altitude since is of course entirely coincidental.

boliston said:
How much greater is the risk to a woman compared with a man?
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Best data I can find suggest that men and women are at a similar risk of altitude sickness but severity in men seems to be worse than in women. So assuming equal fitness she was actually at lower risk of severe symptoms. But the numbers aren't really big enough to draw any firm conclusions.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23135373

HTH :D
 
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