Jurgen Teller Documentary

Sorry to interrupt yet another dumb argument, but back on topic, I actually like some of his work, some I just don't get. But he comes across as a genuinely decent guy who is passionate about his photography and absorbs himself into his shoots
I love the fact he has created such a relaxed atmosphere he can just strip and have a cuddle without it being seedy or sexual, but he also has the ability to lay on a piano and display his arse, I don't get that
A lot of his ethos comes from the ridiculous fashion industry behaviour, so good on him for thumbing his nose at it with the help of some big names. I wouldn't be brave enough to shoot his style so I'm very happy to see talented people pushing the boundaries of photography
Sorry for getting that off my chest, back to arguing chaps :D

In the hope of staying on topic, what is it about lying on a piano and displaying his arse , or for that matter stripping off and having a cuddle that adds to the meaning of the piece artistically speaking ? A lot of the glamour shooters here are consumate pros who don't create a seedy or sexual atmosphere with their models, but they also don't insert themselves into the shots , so presumably by doing so he is saying 'something' , and it'd be interesting to get to grips with what that 'something' is

I'd tend to agree about the thumbing his nose at the very cliche'd fashion shoots if it was a one off project but in general, I do struggle with for example a shoot for a mens clothing line which doesnt actually show any clothes ... isnt showcasing the designers kind of what a fashion shoot is for ? (assuming its not just a shock stunt to get the designers talked about of course)
 
In the hope of staying on topic, what is it about lying on a piano and displaying his arse , or for that matter stripping off and having a cuddle that adds to the meaning of the piece artistically speaking ? A lot of the glamour shooters here are consumate pros who don't create a seedy or sexual atmosphere with their models, but they also don't insert themselves into the shots , so presumably by doing so he is saying 'something' , and it'd be interesting to get to grips with what that 'something' is

I'd tend to agree about the thumbing his nose at the very cliche'd fashion shoots if it was a one off project but in general, I do struggle with for example a shoot for a mens clothing line which doesnt actually show any clothes ... isnt showcasing the designers kind of what a fashion shoot is for ? (assuming its not just a shock stunt to get the designers talked about of course)

I'm not getting involved in this discussion as you have the ability to create arguments for the sake of it
Before I go, I will say, what I got from his joining the shoot was he was very much part of it and wanted to demonstrate a bond with his subject and show he wasn't taking the p***, or if he was he was taking the p*** out of himself too. It's easy to ask someone to do something you wouldn't do yourself, he's just showing that's entirely not the case . No fancy big words or analysis, he just thought it felt right and that's what I like about the fella
 
I'm not getting involved in this discussion as you have the ability to create arguments for the sake of it
Before I go, I will say, what I got from his joining the shoot was he was very much part of it and wanted to demonstrate a bond with his subject and show he wasn't taking the p***, or if he was he was taking the p*** out of himself too. It's easy to ask someone to do something you wouldn't do yourself, he's just showing that's entirely not the case . No fancy big words or analysis, he just thought it felt right and that's what I like about the fella

Hey its not me thats creating an argument for the sske of it - I've offered i think 6 times to have a propper adult discussion about this stuff - byker has taken that up and so has ed, others prefer not to, their loss.

that aside you make an interesting point , I hadn't considered it in that light , so the artistic point he is making is that the photographer is part of the image ? I can see that (now you say it)
 
Sorry to interrupt yet another dumb argument, but back on topic, I actually like some of his work, some I just don't get. But he comes across as a genuinely decent guy who is passionate about his photography and absorbs himself into his shoots
I love the fact he has created such a relaxed atmosphere he can just strip and have a cuddle without it being seedy or sexual, but he also has the ability to lay on a piano and display his arse, I don't get that
A lot of his ethos comes from the ridiculous fashion industry behaviour, so good on him for thumbing his nose at it with the help of some big names. I wouldn't be brave enough to shoot his style so I'm very happy to see talented people pushing the boundaries of photography
Sorry for getting that off my chest, back to arguing chaps :D

I have to say I didn't get the piano/ legs akimbo shot either. I guess it's making a shock statement...

Do you think it was part of a bigger shoot, and that was the most stand out image. It would be interesting to see the others from the session but I guess most people wouldn't show them, just what are the best images. Does he trigger remotely, timed, or set it all up and have an assistant press the shutter?
 
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assuming its not just a shock stunt to get the designers talked about of course)

And that might be it, in the case of fashion, is to get noticed, to be spoken about. Not many of the fashion show clothes end up on the high street, but some of the ideas do, the influences. By being spoken about and being noticed, gets those ideas/influences into the market place and then that designers status goes up?

Edit: and thinking about it, if that's what it is in the fashion industry, then why shouldn't that apply to a fashion photographer. After all. We're now discussing his work ;)
 
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Someone will be along shotly to say that techical details arent important in art or some such rubbish... frankly i'm with you , IMO too often these days 'oh buts its art' is used as an excuse for sloppy techincal work (of course a technically perfect boring shot can often be less interesting than a technically lacking shot with interest or pathos - but thats not to say that a techincally good shot with interest/patho wouldnt have been better still )

Pete..you say you'd love to have a proper discussion etc etc..
If you hadn't posted this quote and got people's backs up maybe it would have happened and it wouldn't have taken the path it is.
I've been following the thread and links and sort of enjoyed it, it's fascinating but it's this post (to me) that has set yet another art/photographer ish thread off track.
 
I watched the link that @Pookeyhead, David had posted in the OP.
I thought Teller looked quite uncomfortable in parts of the documentary when the interviewer was asking him about his work and what it meant. The interviewer was almost putting words in his mouth to say what his actual motivation/intention was in his photographs.

My interpretation was that its in some way his USP for his work. Its an artistic choice to over expose etc. His signature to instantly recognisable photographs.
The other photographer that sprung to mind was Terry Richardson, shooting in a similar style and similar USP in that he puts himself in the photograph too. Perhaps for similar reasons in shock factor, getting people talking about it.
 
I watched the link that @Pookeyhead, David had posted in the OP.
I thought Teller looked quite uncomfortable in parts of the documentary when the interviewer was asking him about his work and what it meant. The interviewer was almost putting words in his mouth to say what his actual motivation/intention was in his photographs.

Yes he really did look uncomfortable to the point he really took and age to answer, at one point even asked the interviewer if that's what he thought.. The grotesque bit or something.

What struck me and I could be way off but hes almost like a puppet master, he really does get people to do anything, but the interview wasn't long enough or more indepth to quite figure out why/how.
 
I thought he looked a bit uncomfortable too but I put it down to his character. He strikes me as being a "live wire" with a very busy mind who doesn't like sitting still, quite highly strung or a big coffee drinker. :D

Edit: Just watched it again and you know, I think his father's suicide has a lot to do with it. I think it affects him a lot more than he lets on.
 
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I don't know David was pretty dismissive of the work from Joe Cornish and co on about three threads - but i don't recall seeing any great landscape photography from him.

You only ever interact with me in threads like this, that's why. I've probably posted images I've taken in all genres Pete. I don't take much landscape, no, because it's rare that you can take anything that makes a point, but you can't say I haven't posted any. I've just done a quick search for anything landscape related I've taken recently and found these... and this wasn't by even looking that hard for them. _DSC1111.jpg _DSC1809.jpg singapore-panoramic.jpg sustain1.jpg sustain3.jpg


So you can't say I never post any landscape.


Where are yours?




I also don't recall saying my work was better than tellers - as i said i don't do studio photography ... however are you really claiming that badly exposed shots with harsh shadows are exemplars of good studio photography.

You're missing the point.


Do you seriously believe it is difficult to b****r up exposure whilst using the pop up flash ? a quick look at flickr or facebook would show otherwise... the only difficult thing is getting people to believe that its art

Same old tired stuff. You're just angry because he's got something you want, and you can't see why he deserves it when you've spent all your life following the rules, and he hasn't. Every thread about anything art based, there you are... saying the same old s**t over and over again. We understand Pete.. you don't like stuff like this, and you don't get it. Sure. The difference is Pete, that I, or Byker, or Dave or anyone else who actually has anything different to say about Photography only discuss it in threads where it's appropriate and such conversation is invited, but you will actually also go into other people's threads to slag off their work as well, hence you wading in to the Merfolk thread to start banging on about how my work is not in focus just because some other guy thought he could actually tell from a 800 pixel JPEG. It wasn't crit... it was you're usual anti-anything that's not mainstream rant.... You still love having a go to this day... in the Landscape thread you STILL refer to the work as as out of focus and technically flawed, yet it's all been printed at A2 or above Pete, and it's flawless. The fact is, that work has been invited to exhibition twice now, and was also linked to on Lens Culture, and got some column space in Foam. There's clearly something about it people find engaging. But hey.... you wouldn't want to hang in on a wall, so it's crap. And before you object to that, it's exactly what you're saying Pete. Even in here, without any provocation from me whatsoever, you're still banging on about me, or what I've said in other threads. This is why people are getting annoyed that you are always so critical, yet seem to actually never take any images. It's not that you NEED to... but you've raised your anti-art profile to the extent, that people now just want to see the stuff this person creates, as surely, it must be the very stuff we're all dying to see in order to understand your viewpoint.

theres also a very odd double standard where its okay to dismiss the work of people like Cornish, Noton, Waite etc, and do repeatedly post the same "generic drivel" about them across two or three threads, but its not okay to challenge the idea that anyone like Teller is anything other than a creative genius (like its fine to dismis peter lik, but not gurtzky and so on)

I've not once said anything about Waite, or Noton. I've said Landscape is tired as a genre and is starting to all look the same.


You just LOVE to have a go... yet post nothing of your own.... ever. You keep saying you take thousands of images every year... apparently. You'd think at least some of them, sometimes, would be seen wouldn't you? Apparently not.

You're just embittered and clearly have a huge chip on your shoulder.


Teller's work is divisive, clearly.... but you're missing so much in your rush to talk about composition, and his choice of aesthetic because that's all you're interested in. Look at what he does with people... Could YOU meet some of these high profile, often self-important people and make them behave like that? I doubt it... you're blatant reverence for people just because they're a known name leads me to believe you'd spend the session in forelock tugging deference, and just produce a stock portrait that says **** all.

Before you say something idiotic like "What's that got to do with photographic skill", stop and think. He's a portrait photographer as much as anything else... and that's EXACTLY what makes a great portrait photographer. I don't LIKE his work, no... not one bit, but I have to admit he has a facility to create interesting, engaging and often very insightful portraits of people that cut through the defences they often put up. It's INTERESTING Pete.... HE'S interesting. Syrupy shots of slow exposure surf lapping at a beach while an over-saturated sunset plays out in the background are not... it's an over-done trope everyone is sick of. It has nothing to say any more.

Now shut up and post something.
 
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I don't LIKE his work, no... not one bit, but I have to admit he has a facility to create interesting, engaging and often very insightful portraits of people that cut through the defences they often put up. It's INTERESTING Pete.... HE'S interesting.

And this is the thing, interesting images don't have to be pretty, technically perfect, theres so many examples over the years that anyone could list of non technically perfect images that just work because they captured a moment, an idea. Capa's d-day landing images?

Yes there's a place for pretty images, I took some on holiday, especially cliched landscapes, but they are for our family, as things to prompt memories of that holiday and as such they meet the purpose. I could put one on the wall, it would provoke discussion, could then get out the book that was printed, but it's a limited viewing, for my personal pleasure.

And that's possibly the difference between your average Joe with a camera and real artists.

The average joe follows the guides, the rules, the examples that are rolled out time and time again in magazines and forums, setting the expectations. There's a rolling pattern to the articles of about two years in magazines, slightly differently presented maybe with new images but the same images, landscapes especially. And we've all done it. We've all started there, producing these images and thats fine, sometimes thats whats required.

But then you have these artists who go much further beyond, who don't just go out to capture the norm but something else, something more, something to make you think. There's times I've been moving through work thinking this is strange, and then you get what they are trying to portray and look again. Same with exhibitions, the curator takes a number of artists to fit the theme. Did they achieve it, go beyond what they were trying to show.

I could list so many examples

Landscapes - Miska Henna's work on the beef and oil fields, showing the way the landscape has been changed - http://www.prixpictet.com/portfolios/consumption-shortlist/mishka-henner/
Portraits - look at this work by Trent Bell - convicts letters to their younger selves http://trentbell.com/REFLECT-Project/1/caption/
View: https://vimeo.com/87289244


Work that takes an idea and goes way beyond the norm. Its interesting, thoughtful.

Teller I wasn't particually aware of before this thread, but I am now. I like his Bjork work, some other stuff is really interesting (posh in a bag?) some I don't like, but it's good varied, interesting stuff that makes you look.
 
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This line made me laugh
William said to me, “We have a few things in common – smoking, drinking and women. Photography just gets us out of the house.”’

Exactly what I was just chuckling at..


I like the one of bjork and her son, the look on her face.. Im off to check bikers link, I skimmed some last night but a proper look with coffee is needed
 
Interesting interview, theres a few unconformable moments at the beginning, probing questions
 
I CBA to turn this into a huge multi quote response so i'll just say this (in response to David - something is odd on the quote function today so ive deleted it)

a) I'm going to rise above all the personal stuff - i wrote a hugely long response hitting back at every point you've made and pointing out similar things in your work and charecter, but you know what, its not worth it, i respond, you respond the thread spirals down and gets locked - tired, boring, and not really what any of us want - lets break that paradigm I've said things about you before that were out of line so you are justified in responding in kind, but lets draw a line on it here

b) Ive explained why I don't largely post my work and provided a link to a few of the shots that are on here- because a) with paid work i'm not always free to, and b) with my own it tends to lead to troll fest and thread lock ( and to be clear by troll i'm not talking about you or anyone in this thread giving hrsh crit - i'm talking about the asinine few who love to attack me personally at every oportunity - admittedly a lot have been banned lately so i may test the water and see what happens). You are also correct that you won't find higher meaning in nearly everything i shoot - with weddings its because i'm paid to so i'm creating images that clients like, with wildlife its because i have an interest in it and want to capture shots that enthuse and inspire people about the wildlife, and with landscape it falls into what you'd dismiss as "the tired genre that is starting to look all the same"

c) with regard to going into other peoples threads - if you post work for critique you've got to expect that not everyone will love the work, I appreciate that the merfolk thread got a bit out of hand and that I was wrong to say some of the things i did, but it takes two to rumble so i'm not taking total responsibility for that, but by and large if work appears to be techincally lacking pointing that out is part of what critique threads are for - if anyone only wants positive comment the answer is not to post for crtitique, not to attack me or anyone else for giving it

d) also ref threads that are designed for discussing 'it' (like this one) , its not much of a discussion if everyone agrees, so if you want a robust discussion about art then fine lets have one, That said you and I do have areas of agreement , you don't like his work and neither do I , and we both agree that its interesting , but for me one of the most interesting things is the question that ive posed several times above , ie

What statement is he making by deliberately choosing (in some instances) to create techincally poor shots ? (thats an honest question not a dig) He must presumably have the skills to create shots that are technically much 'better' so why doesnt he ? ( as far as i can see he could still make the statements you outline above if the work was perfectly lit, exposed etc , so why has he made the choice not to do so ? )
 
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@bigsoftmoose

Pete, I really respect the way that you put your point of view in a (usually) polite and thoughtful manner in the face of some of the provocation that comes your way, on this thread and elsewhere.

I haven't watched all the video so i'll only say one thing. from what I did see he seems to be obsessed with celebrity and celebrity culture, and I have no interest in that. But it reminds me of the Steely Dan song -

"..... Show business kids making movies of themselves
You know, they don't give a f*** about anybody else....."
 
TP in "art is dumb unless I like/understand it shocker".
 
And this is the thing, interesting images don't have to be pretty, technically perfect, theres so many examples over the years that anyone could list of non technically perfect images that just work because they captured a moment, an idea. Capa's d-day landing images?
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I think theres a difference though between technically poor but engaging because it captured the moment (Capa's D day, Bresson and lots of other examples) where the technical poorness is caused by the pressure of time to get that shot (and frequently the situation in which it was shot), and technically poor when the moment was created in a studio and the technical poorness is a deliberate decision on the part of the photographer.

With the former, i'm sure that the photographers didnt deliberately choose to take technically poor shots , it was just caused by the fraction of a second they had to capture the action, and the limitations placed on them by working in for instance a combat environment - in Tellers case he has deliberately chosen to limit himself (in some cases) by working with a G2 and on camera flash ... what interests me is why he would make that choice... wouldnt his shots have just as much interest/message if they were shot with better lighting and exposure ?

(I've not watched the video you posted because i'm at work - i'll have a look later)
 
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@bigsoftmoose

Pete, I really respect the way that you put your point of view in a (usually) polite and thoughtful manner in the face of some of the provocation that comes your way, on this thread and elsewhere.
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Thanks Jerry , I appreciate you saying it ( Of course at times, on other threads i can and have acted like a class A weapons grade bell end, but i'm trying my best not to anymore)
 
a) I'm going to rise above all the personal stuff

The most sensible thing you've said in a long time.

( and to be clear by troll i'm not talking about you

I know... I've never seen anything you've ever shot so you can't possibly be talking about me.

[EDIT] Just seen the link you provided to some of your work, and considering you are in here (and other threads) to decry the work of others because they have no outward aesthetic that displays craft skills... I'm surprised by what you posted.

What statement is he making by deliberately choosing (in some instances) to create techincally poor shots ? (thats an honest question not a dig) He must presumably have the skills to create shots that are technically much 'better' so why doesnt he ? ( as far as i can see he could still make the statements you outline above if the work was perfectly lit, exposed etc , so why has he made the choice not to do so ? )

Technically poor in what way though? Shadows on a background is only technically poor if you never intended them to be there. No work can be called TECHNICALLY poor due to composition either, as it's not a technical matter. You're calling them technically poor because they don't obey the same rules you hold dear.

He strips people's layers away.. leaves them raw... often slightly questionable, or ridiculous.. which is what we all are very often. He levels things out and cuts straight to the core of someone. He shows flaws and perfection with equal facility, because they are both equal. He has no interest in flattering, or REpresenting. He just slices away without mercy, and it works. It gets people talking. As mentioned in the video, it is in the grotesque tradition.. reducing people to carnival or cabaret.. We all love a freak show deep down Pete.
 
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Technically poor in what way though? Shadows on a background is only technically poor if you never intended them to be there.

fair enough - technically poor may not be quite the right description given that its his intention , i supose what i'm really asking is why deliberately create shots which look very similar to those created by someone who doesnt understand lighting or exposure. (I'm not saying he doesnt, but some of his work is very similar to the worst of studio shots taken by someone who doesnt) I get that he's doing it deliberately, i'm asking why...

He strips people's layers away.. leaves them raw... often slightly questionable, or ridiculous.. which is what we all are very often. He levels things out and cuts straight to the core of someone. .

so if thats the intention what do we know about say charlotte rampling from having seen a picture of hiim spooning with her while hes naked (other than that she's up for that kind of thing) - with the self portraits we can read some of his personality from seeing him p***ing in a cup or crapping in the snow, but i'm not seeing a great deal of peircing insight into the personality or core of rampling/mosse/westwood. I'll agree that it gets people talking, and that it works as marketting for that reason in moderation - although i'd say it only works when used spariingly, once it becomes something hes knownn for its not shocking or newsworthy anymore

Quite often i sense a disconect between the explanation and the images - for example as i said earlier on the nurnberg set I understand the intent, and that the alledged message would be powerful (about the impermanence of human philosophy versus the permenance of nature , but the images themselves don't communicate that message to me , not when i viewed them before reading it, and still not even on reviewing afterwards, because there is little in the images to show that they are at nurnberg... they seem to be just a bunch of relatively flat lit flower photos
 
[EDIT] Just seen the link you provided to some of your work, and considering you are in here (and other threads) to decry the work of others because they have no outward aesthetic that displays craft skills... I'm surprised by what you posted.

Just responding to the edit - if you'd like to provide crit on the thread concerned David, feel free - I don't throw my teddies on the floor if someone critiques my craft skills. (that said i'm not here to decry Teller for not displaying craft skills, I have no doubt that he can , i'm asking why he chooses not to ? ) that said i'm not sure which shots you are talking about but i'm not aware of anything on that thread which is poorly exposed or badly lit so your point escapes me

(there is a different thread which features so extremly badly lit work of mine - before you dig that up to prove a point, its worth noting that its from a long while ago, and i stated at the begining of that thread that i knew the lighting wasnt right)
 
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i'm asking why he chooses not to ?


Because it would not be appropriate. You'd not get the sense of voyeurism and intimacy if they were more traditionally lit or composed. They have an immediacy and journalistic quality that lends itself to the viewer being "in on" an exposé of some sort. Liek I said... there's an element of the freak show. He's clearly in love with, but confounded by fashion... in fact, he says so himself. Making it look like a circus.. a carnival.. chaotic, edgy and a bit frightening is probably how it feels to be him I can imagine. With all that in mind, why would he take more conventional portraits? Surely all that tension, unease and vibrancy... urgency... that frenetic, highly charged world of egos and frocks... sex and beauty... all of it.. how else would you capture it?



(there is a different thread which features so extremly badly lit work of mine - before you dig that up to prove a point, its worth noting that its from a long while ago, and i stated at the begining of that thread that i knew the lighting wasnt right)

I've no interest in belittling your work Pete. I was expecting something else is all.
 
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Because it would not be appropriate. You'd not get the sense of voyeurism and intimacy if they were more traditionally lit or composed. They have an immediacy and journalistic quality that lends itself to the viewer being "in on" an exposé of some sort. Liek I said... there's an element of the freak show. He's clearly in love with, but confounded by fashion... in fact, he says so himself. Making it look like a circus.. a carnival.. chaotic, edgy and a bit frightening is probably how it feels to be him I can imagine. With all that in mind, why would he take more conventional portraits? Surely all that tension, unease and vibrancy... urgency... that frenetic, highly charged world of egos and frocks... sex and beauty... all of it.. how else would you capture it?

Fair enough - thats an answer that makes sense , I still don't like the pictures but thank you for the explanation I was seeking

I was looking arround just now at other "art" photographers work - I don't get a lot of it , but I'm trying to keep a more open mind , and I found this article on William Eggleston http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-e...-s-greatest-photographer-8577202.html#gallery who is cited as one of Tellers influences. Whilst I'm not sure i get his work either I don't entirely dislike it and i feel a stronger message in some of his work (such as the first one on that article) than I did with Tellers.

I've no interest in belittling your work Pete. I was expecting something else is all.

Again fair enough - I'm not saying that that thread is my best work btw, its all I had handy, I didnt warm to the artificiality of the 52 format which is why I binned it in week 6.
 
Fair enough - thats an answer that makes sense , I still don't like the pictures but thank you for the explanation I was seeking

Neither do I Pete. I said quite early on... I don't like his work.. not at all. It's irrelevant though when judging it. I don't like it, but I think it's good. Which is why I think so many photography competition judges are crap - because they just vote for what they like. While that sounds like "Duh... of course".. if you think about it, it absolutely should NOT be how to judge a photography competition.
 
Because it would not be appropriate. You'd not get the sense of voyeurism and intimacy if they were more traditionally lit or composed. They have an immediacy and journalistic quality that lends itself to the viewer being "in on" an exposé of some sort. Liek I said... there's an element of the freak show. He's clearly in love with, but confounded by fashion... in fact, he says so himself. Making it look like a circus.. a carnival.. chaotic, edgy and a bit frightening is probably how it feels to be him I can imagine. With all that in mind, why would he take more conventional portraits? Surely all that tension, unease and vibrancy... urgency... that frenetic, highly charged world of egos and frocks... sex and beauty... all of it.. how else would you capture it?

I've no interest in belittling your work Pete. I was expecting something else is all.

Dercon: "You're capable of giving us an intimacy that is not the voyeur, you're not the voyeur"
Teller: "No"
Dercon "And you're not interested in voyeurism?"
Teller: "No, never"

So if you are getting that sense and he is saying he's not interested in that, then who is right, you or him?
 
Dercon: "You're capable of giving us an intimacy that is not the voyeur, you're not the voyeur"
Teller: "No"
Dercon "And you're not interested in voyeurism?"
Teller: "No, never"

So if you are getting that sense and he is saying he's not interested in that, then who is right, you or him?


Neither if truth be told, but I fail to see how it's not voyeuristic, considering the nature of some of the imagery, and how it challenges so many social protocols we'd consider normal. I'm sure if he says it;s not his intent, then that's unarguable, but you get this all the time. The best example is Tolkien saying Lord of The Rings was not allegorical, but it's just bloody well is, whether he intended it to be that way or not. I'm obviously not the only one who sees that in Teller's work or the question would not have been asked. I'm not regurgitating published opinion, I'm reading the photograph as an experienced photographer, and also as a scholar in visual arts and culture. It gives a sense of voyeurism - its something you will hear from many pundits when discussing his work.

Read "Death of the Author" by Roland Barthes. (To understand what I'm on about.. not to read more about Juergen Teller)
 
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Dercon: "You're capable of giving us an intimacy that is not the voyeur, you're not the voyeur"
Teller: "No"
Dercon "And you're not interested in voyeurism?"
Teller: "No, never"

So if you are getting that sense and he is saying he's not interested in that, then who is right, you or him?

I got the feeling he wasn't happy with the interview and the way it was going at the start, almost responding with answers to agree with the question just to get it over with and moved on. I also think Dercon realised that and backed off
 
fair enough - technically poor may not be quite the right description given that its his intention , i supose what i'm really asking is why deliberately create shots which look very similar to those created by someone who doesnt understand lighting or exposure. (I'm not saying he doesnt, but some of his work is very similar to the worst of studio shots taken by someone who doesnt) I get that he's doing it deliberately, i'm asking why...

But thats only some of his work, not all, it's also anti fashion (huge lighting rigs, bounce cards etc) and theres that added depth from providing a harsh shadow
 
I got the feeling he wasn't happy with the interview and the way it was going at the start, almost responding with answers to agree with the question just to get it over with and moved on. I also think Dercon realised that and backed off

You could see Teller was uncomfortable with the Goya and grotesque line of questioning, like he didn't really know and was looking for reassurance. Dercon seemed like a bit of a kiss-arse intellectual and Teller the guy that just goes and shoots what he likes, he even said he doesn't intellectualise it, he just does it.

The funny thing is with this thread is Teller would probably get on more with Big Soft Moose and his detractors would get on better with Dercon.
 
The funny thing is with this thread is Teller would probably get on more with Big Soft Moose and his detractors would get on better with Dercon.

"Hey Pete, look at this picture."

"That's crap, Teller. Poor composition, harsh shadows and onboard flash? Lol, you wouldn't get away with it if it wasn't 'arty-b******s'"

"Haha! Pete, you're great - want another pint?"

:D
 
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"Hey Pete, look at this picture."

"That's crap, Teller. Poor composition, harsh shadows and onboard flash? Lol, you wouldn't get away with it it it wasn't 'arty-b******s'"

"Haha! Pete, you're great - want another pint?"

:D

At which point do the two of them take off their clothes and cuddle up for a photo? :D
 
At which point do the two of them take off their clothes and cuddle up for a photo? :D

he's not really my type ... charlotte rampling on the other hand ... :naughty:
 
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