Jon Venables back in prison

Should have never been let out. simples...........
 
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just watching the news now,he has got to be protected because if the prisoners find out who he is "he'll be dead" Good,just hope they do find out and torture him.
 
Let's face it, someone is going to let it slip who he is!

I'm not surprised that one of them is back inside and I assume that it's only a matter of time before the other is too. Still, he's had about 10 years out.

I know that sounds awfully judgemental of me, but they were children killing a child, - there's something seriously wrong about that and if that's how they feel as children, I doubt any amount of psychotherapy would "cure" them and it makes me wonder what they're capable of doing as adults.
 
MagicMynx said:
I'm not surprised that one of them is back inside and I assume that it's only a matter of time before the other is too. Still, he's had about 10 years out.
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There's a strong belief in Western Australia that the other one is back in prison....for an equally serious crime.

Bob
 
Canon Bob said:
There's a strong belief in Western Australia that the other one is back in prison....for an equally serious crime.

Bob
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No he's not, there was an interview on GMTV this morning with one of the officials who dealt with them, who said that he was surprised that Venables was back in prison before the other one.

They were both in UK and in the north of England. They weren't allowed to leave the country, it was part of their conditions of release that they didn't leave the country, but when they were first released it was said that they were in the north of England.
 
Nicely done Gary, sarcastic comments about a murdering piece of ****.
 
I could never see any good reason why people that murder are ever allowed out.
The parents of Jamie Bulger must have endlessly worried about whether these scumbags would turn up at their door.
 
arclight said:
I could never see any good reason why people that murder are ever allowed out.
The parents of Jamie Bulger must have endlessly worried about whether these scumbags would turn up at their door.
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lets face it, in times like this the death penalty should be brought back, after all its our taxes that are keeping these "illegitimates" locked up. Which is where they ought to be for the rest of their lives, the shorter that period of time the more of our taxes that can be spent to the benefit of law abiding citizens such as NHS, care for the elderly etc.
 
Can of worms time.

I agree up to the point that the first innocent person is executed. And unfortunately despite the best efforts you will never get it 100% right 100% of the time.
 
AndrewA123 said:
:plusone:

lets face it, in times like this the death penalty should be brought back, after all its our taxes that are keeping these "illegitimates" locked up. Which is where they ought to be for the rest of their lives, the shorter that period of time the more of our taxes that can be spent to the benefit of law abiding citizens such as NHS, care for the elderly etc.
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are you saying that 10 year old boys should be hanged?

arent there enough current stories to keep the angry mob occupied this week without going over ones from 17 years ago?
 
Gary said:
i hope he never gets to captain england again. he was crap.
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:shake:

MagicMynx said:
No he's not, there was an interview on GMTV this morning with one of the officials who dealt with them, who said that he was surprised that Venables was back in prison before the other one.

They were both in UK and in the north of England. They weren't allowed to leave the country, it was part of their conditions of release that they didn't leave the country, but when they were first released it was said that they were in the north of England.
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Fair enough. The Perth locals aren't convinced though.

Bob
 
Gary said:
are you saying that 10 year old boys should be hanged?

arent there enough current stories to keep the angry mob occupied this week without going over ones from 17 years ago?
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actually my responses to these 'hangins too good for em' threads are probably almost as predictable as the threads, so its all yours angry mob, i'm orf
 
Gary said:
actually my responses to these 'hangins too good for em' threads are probably almost as predictable as the threads, so its all yours angry mob, i'm orf
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The 'angry mob' Gary, probably all remember the video footage of that poor little kid being led away by the hand from that shopping mall to be tortured at length and murdered by those two evil little monsters. It's simply not possible to do what they did if they had any vestige of human decency between them. If they'd have been one year younger it wouildn't have been possible to charge them with anything either.

What you're seeing in this thread is righteouis indignation from people who wonder when the judicial system is ever going to effectively protect people from the activities of worthless dross like these two.

Sorry mate but every time you post -and you are pretty predictable, you just sound like the looney liberals who have got us to where we are today.
 
CT said:
The 'angry mob' Gary, probably all remember the video footage of that poor little kid being led away by the hand from that shopping mall to be tortured at length and murdered by those two evil little monsters. It's simply not possible to do what they did if they had any vestige of human decency between them. If they'd have been one year younger it wouildn't have been possible to charge them with anything either.

What you're seeing in this thread is righteouis indignation from people who wonder when the judicial system is ever going to effectively protect people from the activities of worthless dross like these two.

Sorry mate but every time you post -and you are pretty predictable, you just sound like the looney liberals who have got us to where we are today.
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:plusone:
 
CT said:
The 'angry mob' Gary, probably all remember the video footage of that poor little kid being led away by the hand from that shopping mall to be tortured at length and murdered by those two evil little monsters. It's simply not possible to do what they did if they had any vestige of human decency between them. If they'd have been one year younger it wouildn't have been possible to charge them with anything either.

What you're seeing in this thread is righteouis indignation from people who wonder when the judicial system is ever going to effectively protect people from the activities of worthless dross like these two.

Sorry mate but every time you post -and you are pretty predictable, you just sound like the looney liberals who have got us to where we are today.
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:agree:
 
CT said:
Sorry mate but every time you post -and you are pretty predictable, you just sound like the looney liberals who have got us to where we are today.
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well i agree with the predictable bit :)

but i guess i've never really explained my point.

my point is that getting all angry on a photography forum and saying what you'd like to do to these 'scum' every time something horrible like this happens gets nobody anywhere.. Maybe if someone actually harnessed their passion and did something about it instead of getting all hot under the collar then maybe there would be a change for the better.
(i'm talking about becoming and MP, signing up to the police force, etc etc - not going out there with a baseball bat)
 
I agree about the judicial system needing to be reviewed. But capital punishment, no:nono:. There are enough miscarriages of justice to know that the death penalty would not work, factor into account the paranoia of todays britain and it would soon mount up. Harsher sentences and a review of post-release care is needed in my opinion.
 
I don't think anyone mentioned baseball bats mate?

Signing up as an MP? OK you might be able to do something I suppose, but the likely outcome of an MP standing on these issues would probably be political death for anyone trying it given the current climate.

Join the force? You gotta be kidding - cops just put them before the court and watch all their hard work go down the toilet and cop two fingers from the offenders when they walk out of court laughing.

No governmemnt will allow a referendum on capital punishment because they know only too well what the outcome would be. Is this really representation of the wishes of the electorate by those elected to represent? I don't think so.

Hats off to the State Of Texas I say - in a world gone mad they still don't shrink from doing what they believe to be right - and effective!
 
Home Secretary is refusing to say why Venables is back in prison.
 
Vic said:
I agree about the judicial system needing to be reviewed. But capital punishment, no:nono:. There are enough miscarriages of justice to know that the death penalty would not work, factor into account the paranoia of todays britain and it would soon mount up. Harsher sentences and a review of post-release care is needed in my opinion.
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With DNA evidence? Disagree.

Simple answer - get done for 3 crimes and you die in jail - a proper life sentence, not life but out in 5 years. In terms of murder / sex cases it is 2 crimes and life. Oh, and I mean a proper prison, not one with your own TV etc...
 
CT said:
I don't think anyone mentioned baseball bats mate?

Signing up as an MP? OK you might be able to do something I suppose, but the likely outcome of an MP standing on these issues would probably be political death for anyone trying it given the current climate.

Join the force? You gotta be kidding - cops just put them before the court and watch all their hard work go down the toilet and cop two fingers from the offenders when they walk out of court laughing.

No governmemnt will allow a referendum on capital punishment because they know only too well what the outcome would be. Is this really representation of the wishes of the electorate by those elected to represent? I don't think so.

Hats off to the State Of Texas I say - in a world gone mad they still don't shrink from doing what they believe to be right - and effective!
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i was speaking of these threads in general, and also other ones on forums and FB etc

but just for you:

Adamski said:
:bat:
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You dont have to become a copper or an MP, i just meant that doing something other than getting angry on the internet has got to be more helpful.
 
I don't understand why offenders have tvs, game consoles and money though, granted it's about half of what JSA is, but that's not the point. Surely it should be a case of "these are your toileteries, these are your clothes, this is what you're eating, that is your cell with a bed and toilet" and so forth? I don't understand why they have internet access and telephone calls either, - our soliders fighting for us don't have as much as the prisoners. ....gonna shut up now before this turns into a fully fledged pointless rant...
 
Gary said:
You dont have to become a copper or an MP, i just meant that doing something other than getting angry on the internet has got to be more helpful.
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Doing something other then posting sarcastic, offensive replies on the internet has got to be more helpful, with regards to your first reply in this thread.
 
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With DNA evidence? Disagree.
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The James Hanratty case is a good example, he was hanged back in the 60s for the murder of a man by shooting and the rape of the man's girlfirend. He always protested his innocence and the case was one of the prime examples of a miscarriage of justice always quoted by the anti capital punishment lobbyists.

This happened long before the discovery of DNA and it's use in evidence, but just a few years ago Hanratty's body was exhumed and DNA extrracted fom his remains which conclusively proved it was identical to DNA from the sperm sample taken from the rape victim.

The family and their supporters still refuse to accept this evidence, claiming cross contamination in the forensic lab. :shrug:

The only probably bona fide case of a wrongful hanging that I'm aware of is Timothy Evans (In the Christie murders case) where Evans was hanged on circumstantial evidence which appeared very damning at the time.

No-one is advocating the death penalty for two ten year olds, and there's no way they'd have faced the penalty at that age anyway had it still been law.
 
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Gary said:
go look up the definition of sarcasm
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Sarcasm should be placed in the right topics. A topic that discusses how a little kid was murdered, is not a right topic. Seriously, you're a moderator? All I see you do is flame and troll other members.
 
Pieface said:
Sarcasm should be placed in the right topics. A topic that discusses how a little kid was murdered, is not a right topic. Seriously, you're a moderator? All I see you do is flame and troll other members.
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my point is that my comment wasnt sarcastic

moderators are allowed opinions too, and mine is that these threads are repetitive, boring and pointless (and admittedly so are my responses)

this thread isnt about how a little kid was murdered, its about the punishment of a murderer

with 241 posts i'm surprised youre an expert on how i post in this forum.
 
OK Gary, just for you here goes,

'Sarcasm is the rhetorical device of using a characterization of something or someone in order to express contempt.'

Therefore I would suggest that the 'someone' in the above statement, as related to your original post, would be the Venables character, and the 'crap' statement you labelled him with would be the 'charecterization'.

Now, to my understanding, no Venables has ever captained the England national football team, although a Venables has managed the team. So before correcting my grammer and use of the English language, you should check the history books.

And I still find your original post offensive.
 
Gary said:
anyway, i probably wont be a moderator much longer if i dont step out of this thread :)

so i'll let you carry on without me :)
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I used to be a Royal Military Policeman... Our motto was 'Exemplo Ducemus'. It means; 'By Example, we lead'!

Something a moderator on a forum as popular and well-used as this one should probably bear in mind! ;)

Cheers,
Si
 
right, let's draw a line under this :)

Thread should now be back on topic which is basically why did these guys ever get out in the first place.
 
Should he have been let out in the first place, well I personally don't think so.

Now he is back in, but we don't know why. On the TV this morning it was explained there could be several reasons, one was he has not to be deemed a danger to the public, and that this could be due to mental illness. He may not have committed another crime as such.

If he has committed a crime, then he's had his (undeserved) chance, and should be locked up for good.


We should not have the death penalty for two reasons.

1) There are too many case where we have locked up innocent people by mistake.

2) If you look at people like Ian Braidy who wanted to go on hunger strike and die, or Harold Shipman who committed suicide, the reason they do that is because the can't face the prospect of never being let out. So it's more a punishment keeping them locked-up alive than the easy option (for them) of the death penalty
 
MagicMynx said:
Cause the state decided it was better for them to be amoung citizens like ourselves than chance them going to an adult prison and getting into drugs :thinking: yeh, that'd be turning them bad, wouldn't it? :cuckoo:
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I wasn't actually asking the question :p
 
dod said:
Thread should now be back on topic which is basically why did these guys ever get out in the first place.
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Because at the time of the crime they were children and it can be reasonably argued that a 10 year old is not sufficiently mature to understand the entire consequences of their actions?

It was a horrible crime, not only what they did but how damaged they must have been to consider doing it in the first place. How does a 10 year old child become like that? It is simply beyond my comprehension.

Life licence has a list of things you cannot do once released and is subject to continuous supervision. People released on licence can be recalled if it they do nothing wrong but it is judged that their mental state has deteriorated to an extent where they might. They can be recalled for visiting an area prohibited to them and a long list of other things which are not illegal for the rest of us.
 
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