Joanna Yeates -Body Now Found.

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Just Dave said:
Yes just saw it on TV, as soon a s i saw his pic the other day on TV I said to my wife he done it
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I really hope they have caught the man who did it, but its still innocent until proven guilty.
 
rizla01 said:
So you call a statement of probability an 'Informed Judgement', do you?:shrug::bonk:
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Sorry, I dont really know what you mean?

I was being sarcastic about your previous post, whereby you said "Yep. Probably just another innocent's name slurred for life." - a statement based on zero knowledge of the evidence or facts of the case. Doesnt appear he's too innocent now, hence my irony!

BUT - Im not having a go so please dont take it that way - but no one on here has access to the facts and evidence in the case and we have to remember that. The amount of evidence the police have, one way or the other, will be absolutely immense!
 
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Hado said:
I thought he had something to do with it. Perhaps he made a pass at her because the boyfriend was away, she spurned his advances then he strangles her to stop her spilling the beans.

Its and open and shut case.

You'll probably find that he's got something to do with Melanie Hall too.
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Why don't they get Inspector Hado back on the case ? This was his post when the ex-school teacher was being questioned
 
I don't see any mention of whether the lanlord still remains a suspect on police bail.
TV guide is advertising a Crimewatch reconstruction/appeal on Wed 26th.
 
Well let's hope they've got the right man.

Obviously feel very sorry for all her family and friends but her boyfriend is going to spend the rest of his life thinking "If only I hadn't gone away that weekend"....it's probably going to haunt him.
 
Well, they dont normally charge someone unless they are pretty confident, and these days with the level of forensics they have it is probably pretty strong.
 
cambsno said:
Well, they dont normally charge someone unless they are pretty confident, and these days with the level of forensics they have it is probably pretty strong.
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Indeed. It's also quite possible he may have admitted it of course.
 
CT said:
Indeed. It's also quite possible he may have admitted it of course.
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If he is the culprit I hope there is an admission to minimise the stress to those close to JY.
 
arclight said:
If he is the culprit I hope there is an admission to minimise the stress to those close to JY.
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Well you have to look at this guy's immediate future and it isn't rosy. Even if there's an admission at this early stage, it's unlikely he'd be advised to plead 'Guilty' when there's always the question of whether it was premeditated, leaving the door open for a possible manslaughter verdict, so the family will almost certainly have to face the ordeal of a trial in due course.
 
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He's been to court and remanded. No plea entered. Bail hearing tomorrow according to Sky News.
No details of prosecution case given.
 
arclight said:
He's been to court and remanded. No plea entered. Bail hearing tomorrow according to Sky News.
No details of prosecution case given.
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No plea is ever entered in a murder case at this stage, since the magistrates have to refer the case to Crown for a bail decision, nor in any case where it will inevitably be heard at Crown because of the severity or it being an Indictable-Only offence (which murder is, anyway).

In the circumstances, with the heightened media attention and the severity of the charge, remand in custody is almost certainly the only option, whether he enters a guilty plea or not.
 
Photo Plod said:
No plea is ever entered in a murder case at this stage, since the magistrates have to refer the case to Crown for a bail decision, nor in any case where it will inevitably be heard at Crown because of the severity or it being an Indictable-Only offence (which murder is, anyway).

In the circumstances, with the heightened media attention and the severity of the charge, remand in custody is almost certainly the only option, whether he enters a guilty plea or not.
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I think he is to be back in Court next week for a preliminary hearing on the murder charge. I am not at all sure what the process is, but presumably somewhere along the line he will be committed for trial.
I don't think it would be wise to have him out on bail.
 
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He wa sremanded in custody today by Bristol Crown Court. No application for bail was made, and wont be made in future it seems.
 
CT said:
He wa sremanded in custody today by Bristol Crown Court. No application for bail was made, and wont be made in future it seems.
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Looks like the exact time of the murder cannot be pinpointed. He was charged with murdering JY between 16 and 26 December.
 
Well - a fitting end to a tragic case. :cool:

Sadly we're supposed to take this guy's word for what happened leading up the murder and he claims Joanna invite him into her flat. No-one can confirm that and it's entirely possible that this whole thing was a lot more sinister than we've been led to believe
 
CT said:
Well - a fitting end to a tragic case. :cool:

Sadly we're supposed to take this guy's word for what happened leading up the murder and he claims Joanna invite him into her flat. No-one can confirm that and it's entirely possible that this whole thing was a lot more sinister than we've been led to believe
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Was there ever an explanation for the pizza that she bought, did not eat and was never found? If not that leaves an unexplained gap in her activities that last night.
 
arclight said:
Was there ever an explanation for the pizza that she bought, did not eat and was never found? If not that leaves an unexplained gap in her activities that last night.
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He claims he put it in an industrial waste container.
10-2 from the jury ... understandable or ... ?
 
The thing about this for me is what the hell went through his mind to commit a senseless murder like this. The guy was well educated, good job, intelligent -I just don't get it.

As for the fitting end bit, well maybe, but really is there ever a fitting end to a murder such as this, regardless of how the murderer is punished?
 
Slaphead said:
The thing about this for me is what the hell went through his mind to commit a senseless murder like this. The guy was well educated, good job, intelligent -I just don't get it.

As for the fitting end bit, well maybe, but really is there ever a fitting end to a murder such as this, regardless of how the murderer is punished?
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As with any murder, there will only be one side to the story if the suspect is caught and found guilty.
 
Slaphead said:
The thing about this for me is what the hell went through his mind to commit a senseless murder like this. The guy was well educated, good job, intelligent -I just don't get it.

As for the fitting end bit, well maybe, but really is there ever a fitting end to a murder such as this, regardless of how the murderer is punished?
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You can't rationalise the thought processes of people who commit these offences. You'll never 'get it' because you just can't envisage the circumstances in which you'd do something like that and neither can most of us.

I think there is a fitting end here - far better than the crime going undetected and some other poor woman or women paying with their lives in due course. It's not sufficient for the family who are lamenting the lack of capital punishment being available but that's a subject for another thread. Or maybe not! :D
 
From the daily Echo:-
"Police believe Tabak throttled the 25-year-old after watching violent sex videos of women being strangled during sex, it can be revealed.

Tabak also paid for sex with a prostitute in the United States two weeks before killing Miss Yeates, detectives found. "
 
gramps said:
He claims he put it in an industrial waste container.
10-2 from the jury ... understandable or ... ?
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Juries are very unpredictable.

Recently, in famous the case of Delroy Grant - the "Night Stalker" - who was charged with 29 counts of rape, indecent assault and burglary against elderly victims across London over a 17-year period - a jury also returned a 10-2 majority verdict.

Grant's defence was that his bitter ex-wife had visited every single crime scene and planted his DNA, which she had obtained by secretly storing up his semen for years. They divorced in 1978, so she waited a good 14 years before beginning her semen-planting spree, which just happened to coincide at a series of linked burglaries, rapes, etc, where someone who might resemble Grant was the prime suspect. Naturally, Mrs Grant also knew the precise location of every offence that ever occurred, managed to get to the crime scene before the police, and somehow even managed to squirt his semen everywhere without the victims realising - even over themselves.

Despite every single case being linked by Grant's DNA, found inside his victim's homes, on their person, etc - two people still rejected the prosecution case - in the face of one of the most ludicrous defence arguments to ever be heard in court.
 
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Slaphead said:
The thing about this for me is what the hell went through his mind to commit a senseless murder like this. The guy was well educated, good job, intelligent
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Not sure I follow your logic there, what does his employment status or education background have to do with his sexual desires or depravities?

Are you saying it would have been more understandable had he been uneducated and in a menial job?
 
Photo Plod said:
Grant's defence was that his bitter ex-wife had visited every single crime scene and planted his DNA, which she had obtained by secretly storing up his semen for years. They divorced in 1978, so she waited a good 14 years before beginning her semen-planting spree
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... but had pre-empted (Sir) Alec Jeffreys' DNA profiling technique, announced in 1984!

I remember reports of the first trials to make use of DNA evidence, and the difficulties of explaining statistics and probabilities to jurors and judges.

More recently, New Scientist has reported on the shortcomings of analysts' conclusions.
 
gramps said:
He claims he put it in an industrial waste container.
10-2 from the jury ... understandable or ... ?
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I've served on three juries, two of which were serious cases, been foreman twice.

If you haven't been called for jury service you probably can't imagine what's possible but then again perhaps you can imagine if you consider that picking a jury is basically just grabbing people at random, and there's an awful lot of variation in people. All you can do is hope.
 
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