Joanna Yeates -Body Now Found.

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srichards said:
A fireman? They're the only people I can think of that practice picking unconscious people up.
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There's a big difference between trying to move an unconscious person and a body, ever heard the phrase a dead weight?

Anyway, seeing as everyone else is putting forward their theories here are a few of my thoughts.....


The description of the flat, with her keys coat etc still there suggest a disorganised perpetrator and an unplanned crime, as does dumping the body by a roadside.

The dump site being in a secluded area off the main road suggests someone with local knowledge.

The lack of shoes/coat suggests that Miss Yeates didn't leave her flat of her own volition

If the crime scene was the flat then someone has had to move the body, either by carrying it out into the street and thence into a vehicle, or by driving a vehicle up to the door. Either scenario would raise the possibility of a witness, especially when the landlord is reported to be the type of person to notice everything.

Strangulation (according to the experts in the media of late) is normally the preserve of killers who are known to their victims.

So, stranger or someone known to Ms Yeates......?
 
Not so sure that Bristol is a good place to live. http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/news...l-murders/article-1406373-detail/article.html

Going back about 20 years my daughter was at Bristol Uni and was sharing a flat with another girl who was a dentist. She went missing in similar circumstances and her body was found on the banks of the gorge under Clifton bridge. She had disappeared leaving behind her car and personal belongings. CTV footage never showed her walking over the bridge, so we can only assume she was driven. It was never investigated as murder, but an open verdict was given as to her death. Is there a serial killer at large in Bristol?
 
hillwalkinggirl said:
Is there a serial killer at large in Bristol?
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Unlikely if there is 20 years between similar murders. If you look at the trail of someone like Peter Tobin over a 40 or so year period there is the belief that there is no more than a year at most between killings, with Tobin boasting that he killed at least 48 women....
 
This thread is strange.

It seems as if you've all seen a mysterious murder on TV and you're all following along with it as though it's an episode of Poirot; coming up with your own theories from the select pieces of information the press have been given/discovered.
Just because you've seen it on TV doesn't mean it's a fantasised soap like the "who shot phil mitchell?" saga for everyone to get involved with.

Is it not all a bit wierd to be getting some apparent kick from speculating on the tragic death of a real person, or is it just me that thinks it's a bit off?
 
CT said:
Pigs are good - they can scoff the lot including the largest bones. :D

LOL. There is a morbid fascination about it all - no denying it.
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I have a vague recollection of a case here where that was done and a murder conviction obtained without a body.
 
TriggerHappy said:
This thread is strange.

It seems as if you've all seen a mysterious murder on TV and you're all following along with it as though it's an episode of Poirot; coming up with your own theories from the select pieces of information the press have been given/discovered.
Just because you've seen it on TV doesn't mean it's a fantasised soap like the "who shot phil mitchell?" saga for everyone to get involved with.

Is it not all a bit wierd to be getting some apparent kick from speculating on the tragic death of a real person, or is it just me that thinks it's a bit off?
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I would guess that the interest shown is bourne more out of concern as well as us all being totally mystified.

For my part. I have always been very interested in the workings of the human mind, and the facts of this case are very intriguing.

But where does this 'Kick' that you talk of, show itself to be apparant?:shrug:
 
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TriggerHappy said:
This thread is strange.

It seems as if you've all seen a mysterious murder on TV and you're all following along with it as though it's an episode of Poirot; coming up with your own theories from the select pieces of information the press have been given/discovered.
Just because you've seen it on TV doesn't mean it's a fantasised soap like the "who shot phil mitchell?" saga for everyone to get involved with.

Is it not all a bit wierd to be getting some apparent kick from speculating on the tragic death of a real person, or is it just me that thinks it's a bit off?
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No, it's not just you. I was a cop a long time ago, and I've worked on murder cases, delivered sudden death notifications, gone to the PMs and interviewed the families. Police officers (and soldiers) use black humour as a defence mechanism, but that doesn't apply here. This was a real person, a young woman with her life before her, and her family must be going through every sort of agony you can imagine.

I suppose speculation is inevitable, and I doubt if any of her family will read this thread. Thank God for that.
 
TriggerHappy said:
Just because you've seen it on TV doesn't mean it's a fantasised soap like the "who shot phil mitchell?" saga for everyone to get involved with.

Is it not all a bit wierd to be getting some apparent kick from speculating on the tragic death of a real person, or is it just me that thinks it's a bit off?
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If one was "getting some apparent kick" from it, then yes, however discussing such things is perfectly natural.

What I find more disturbing is that people spend much more time discussing such drivel as the X-Factor or as you cited, Eastenders.
 
Flash In The Pan said:
Unlikely if there is 20 years between similar murders. If you look at the trail of someone like Peter Tobin over a 40 or so year period there is the belief that there is no more than a year at most between killings, with Tobin boasting that he killed at least 48 women....
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I'm not so sure. I'm not surprised that women are feeling a little scared in Bristol. Unsolved murders of woman whose bodies were found dumped. 1979 - Jenkins, 1985-Guest, 1994 - Morgan, 1996 - Hall, 1997 - Myring, 2010 - Yates. All in the Bristol area. 1992 -our friend Gill, whose body was found supposedly thought to have jumped off the Clifton Bridge, although strangely never seen walking over the bridge, did not have her car, and was not a likely suicide case.:thinking:
 
BRITAIN has 1,143 unsolved murders
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Research by the BBC's Freedom of Information team, has revealed that there are officially 1,143 unsolved killings on police records in the UK. The unsolved murders by "Jack the Ripper", in Victorian London, and many others are not on the list as they have not been officially recorded.


London's Metropolitan Police had the largest number, at 341. But its response to the BBC's request only goes back as far as 1996
 
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rizla01 said:
But where does this 'Kick' that you talk of, show itself to be apparant?:shrug:
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I'd have thought the 200+ posts in this thread, a significant number of which are speculating and theorising about the case, stands as evidence enough that there's an ongoing enjoyment, for want of a better word, being taken from putting forward half-baked theories based on partial evidence.

It's as if people can't or aren't differentiating between the usual fiction drama they see on TV and the fact that this is a real person who's lost her life in a tragic way.

I'm not saying people shouldn't discuss the case but there's undoubtedly a significant amount of information and evidence that we can't know of and with such gaps any speculation on the motives, means etc. of the case is entirely worthless, and in my opinion somewhat distasteful.



At least Martyn is in agreement with me :lol:
 
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TriggerHappy said:
I'd have thought the 200+ posts in this thread, a significant number of which are speculating and theorising about the case, stands as evidence enough that there's an ongoing enjoyment, for want of a better word, being taken from putting forward half-baked theories based on partial evidence.

It's as if people can't or aren't differentiating between the usual fiction drama they see on TV and the fact that this is a real person who's lost her life in a tragic way.

I'm not saying people shouldn't discuss the case but there's undoubtedly a significant amount of information and evidence that we can't know of and with such gaps any speculation on the motives, means etc. of the case is entirely worthless, and in my opinion somewhat distasteful.



At least Martyn is in agreement with me :lol:
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I do take your point.

I read 'Kick' as 'Cheap thrill' which I don't think quite fits, here.

'Enjoyment'? That neither!

Distasteful? Sorry that you feel that way. I have no wish to offend.

I think that most people on here ARE differentiating between fact & drama but debating it doesn't clash with that reasoning.

I find the whole issue very disturbing and I too, have a Daughter around that age, so I feel very much for the parents (But also hope that they are too pre-occupied to read this thread). But it is also a very intriguing case.

And I'm pretty sure that Martyn will not be the only one that agrees with you.
 
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rizla01 said:
I do take your point.

I read 'Kick' as 'Cheap thrill' which I don't think quite fits, here.

'Enjoyment'? That neither!

Distasteful? Sorry that you feel that way. I have no wish to offend.

I think that most people on here ARE differentiating between fact & drama but debating it doesn't clash with that reasoning.

I find the whole issue very disturbing and I too, have a Daughter around that age, so I feel very much for the parents (But also hope that they are too pre-occupied to read this thread). But it is also a very intriguing case.

And I'm pretty sure that Martyn will not be the only one that agrees with you.
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I agree with that and hope that people everywhere do not stop discussing this case because that's when it would be in danger of going cold.
 
rizla01 said:
I do take your point.

I read 'Kick' as 'Cheap thrill' which I don't think quite fits, here.

'Enjoyment'? That neither!

Distasteful? Sorry that you feel that way. I have no wish to offend.

I think that most people on here ARE differentiating between fact & drama but debating it doesn't clash with that reasoning.

I find the whole issue very disturbing and I too, have a Daughter around that age, so I feel very much for the parents (But also hope that they are too pre-occupied to read this thread). But it is also a very intriguing case.

And I'm pretty sure that Martyn will not be the only one that agrees with you.
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The point I was trying to make is that much of the debate has been speculation based on partial truths which renders it ultimately frivolous and inconsequential from the outset.

Now, I too see the value that keeping interest in the case can have in bringing new witnesses or information forward but do we really need to do that by speculating on the likely perpetrators and other finer details of the case which is only based on ill-informed conjecture? Let's leave that side of the investigation to the professionals in the field who have access to all the information available and the necessary knowhow and experience to best use it.

I'm not easily offended by any means and reading what's said in this thread hasn't upset me in any way so no need to apologise on your part but I'd ask people to remember that this is a very popular forum with 30,904 (at present count) and an even wider readership of non-registered users. It wouldn't be unlikely that one or more of those has a far closer connection to this case than any of us (6 degrees of separation and all that) and from their point of view I can see how it would be something they couldn't help but read only find the nature of discussion perhaps rubs salt in the wound.

I hope you all at least understand where I'm coming from even if you don't agree, and also appreciate I'm not wishing to make direct criticisms of anyone. :thumbs:
 
arclight said:
I agree with that and hope that people everywhere do not stop discussing this case because that's when it would be in danger of going cold.
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Yeah the police regularly look on photo forums making claims and using it to help with enquiries.

Lots of people playing detective and enjoying it (not saying it is wrong, but it is what it is) but trying to make out it is more than that is wrong.
 
i guess the same applies here as to anywhere else on the forum, if you dont like the content of the thread, then dont read it. we've had 1 report on this thread only
 
arclight said:
I have a vague recollection of a case here where that was done and a murder conviction obtained without a body.
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Murial McKay possibly? Hussain brithers were convicted in the absence of a body IIRC.
 
Latest opinion by a criminoligist.

Detectives know far more about who murdered Joanna Yeates than they are revealing, according to a leading criminologist.
Professor David Wilson said despite reports of a criminal profiler joining the murder hunt, he believes police have already narrowed down the hunt to a small number of suspects.

He said Miss Yeates was highly likely to have known her killer - and detectives would now be relying on forensic evidence to rule people in or out.

Prof Wilson, of Birmingham City University, told Sky News Online a profiler would probably be used as a formality by officers looking to "cover all the bases".
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CT said:
Murial McKay possibly? Hussain brithers were convicted in the absence of a body IIRC.
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That's the one. Names rang a bell.:thumbs:
There is another current one still to come to court (PF still considering the evidence I think).
Missing Edinburgh woman. Extensive search of Argyllshire forests has not revealed a body, but the boyfriend has been charged with murder.
 
It seems a 32 year old man has now been arrested. No charge as yet, but the senior officer I heard interviewed on the radio this morning sounded pretty jubilant. Let's hope it's now cleared up.
 
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Filming for the Crimewatch appeal was carried out the other day. Within a short space of time the police had 300 phone calls.
Absolutely vital to keep this crime in the public eye. There will be folk who did not realise that they saw something of significance.
 
CT said:
It seems a 32 year old man has now been arrested. No charge as yet, but the senior officer I heard interviewed on the radio this morning sounded pretty jubilant. Let's hope it's now cleared up.
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Latest update from the BBC here
 
Neighbour: Police are searching the flat of Dutch architect Vincent Tabak

Police are searching the flat of a Dutch man who lived next door to murdered architect Joanna Yeates.

Vincent Tabak, 32, is registered as living at the address with his girlfriend.

Officers erected scaffolding around the property earlier today hours after it was announced that a suspect, 32, had been arrested in connection with the case.
 
If i understand correctly and assuming there was no accomplice, V.Tabak would have needed to dump the body on the side of the road on the 18th (He flew the Eindhoven on the 19th) and it wasn't found til the 25th.



There was no snow till approx the 22nd (I believe) so are we expected to believe that people walking past didn't see the body for all that time?



Please correct me if I am wrong but this sounds a little questionable.



Perhaps the words Police - Straws - Clutching?
 
rizla01 said:
If i understand correctly and assuming there was no accomplice, V.Tabak would have needed to dump the body on the side of the road on the 18th (He flew the Eindhoven on the 19th) and it wasn't found til the 25th.

There was no snow till approx the 22nd (I believe) so are we expected to believe that people walking past didn't see the body for all that time?

Please correct me if I am wrong but this sounds a little questionable.

Perhaps the words Police - Straws - Clutching?
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Possibly too many assumptions there, Terry.

However, videoing JY's last known hours for screening (next week I think) is an indication that the police are short of vital information to achieve progress.
 
rizla01 said:
If i understand correctly and assuming there was no accomplice, V.Tabak would have needed to dump the body on the side of the road on the 18th (He flew the Eindhoven on the 19th) and it wasn't found til the 25th.



There was no snow till approx the 22nd (I believe) so are we expected to believe that people walking past didn't see the body for all that time?



Please correct me if I am wrong but this sounds a little questionable.



Perhaps the words Police - Straws - Clutching?
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Perhaps the words Assumptions - Unfounded - Ignorance?

:D
 
Hacker said:
Perhaps the words Assumptions - Unfounded - Ignorance?

:D
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Just ONE assumption - the rest is fact.


Yep. Probably just another innocent's name slurred for life.
 
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Conclusive evidence may or may not be forthcoming very shortly I would think, but the cops and juries don't have the luxury of conclusive evidence in many cases. Whoever gets charged with this they'll be convicted or acquitted based on the evidence presented and the judgement of a jury of their peers.

It doesn't need to be conclusive just 'beyond a reasonable doubt.'
 
CT said:
Read this. ;)
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Couple of things in that article I have not seen before:-

The screams on the night JY was last seen.
The alleged DNA on her body - info on that "from a police source". Need that verified I think.
 
Can you believe that neighbours heard a girl screaming "help me" and didn't think to call the police. What sort of society is this we will live in. A lady who lived up the road from us was murdered a while back by a man who was living with her. He stabbed her 154 times. We said to her next door neighbour that we couldn't believe that no one heard her scream. He said "Oh I did, but it was nothing to do with me". I despair.
 
hillwalkinggirl said:
Can you believe that neighbours heard a girl screaming "help me" and didn't think to call the police. What sort of society is this we will live in. A lady who lived up the road from us was murdered a while back by a man who was living with her. He stabbed her 154 times. We said to her next door neighbour that we couldn't believe that no one heard her scream. He said "Oh I did, but it was nothing to do with me". I despair.
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ONE report?

It's worse than that.

Read this
 
Vincent Tabak Charged With Jo Yeates Murder



Detectives investigating the death of Joanna Yeates have charged 32-year-old Vincent Tabak with her murder.

The Dutch engineer, who was arrested on Thursday, will appear before magistrates in Bristol on Monday accused of killing the 25-year-old.

Detective Chief Inspector Phil Jones, who is leading the investigation, said: “This evening we have charged Vincent Tabak with the murder of Joanna Yeates.

“I would like to pay tribute to Jo’s family and Greg for their assistance and dignity in the most difficult of circumstances. Their support to us has been invaluable.

“I would also like to thank the general public for their help and the information they continue to provide to the investigation, and the residents of Canynge Road for their co-operation and patience.”
 
rizla01 said:
Just ONE assumption - the rest is fact.


Yep. Probably just another innocent's name slurred for life.
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Lol really??! :lol:

Love a good informed judgement.

Good to see they have their man.
 
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rizla01 said:
Vincent Tabak Charged With Jo Yeates Murder

Detectives investigating the death of Joanna Yeates have charged 32-year-old Vincent Tabak with her murder.

The Dutch engineer, who was arrested on Thursday, will appear before magistrates in Bristol on Monday accused of killing the 25-year-old.
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Yes just saw it on TV, as soon a s i saw his pic the other day on TV I said to my wife he done it
 
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