Joanna Yeates -Body Now Found.

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arclight said:
Still is an unsolved murder.
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As is this Dougie http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1302951/Did-Suzy-Lamplugh-affair-killer-New-police-dossier-suggests-twist-murder-case.html and the unsolved death of Mary Culverwell which happened in Bath over 20 yrs ago.Imo some of the views on this thread are just speculation and nothing more, yes the landlord would be the first port of call for questioning, but without hard evidence or being charged for the crime then the guy is innocent untill proven otherwise. I would be bricking it if I was in court as a suspect with half of you lot on the jury :shake: Does not judging a book by it`s cover spring to mind? Do we know what a murderer looks like? Do we know what a Paedophile looks like? I suspect not, so why do people jump to conclusions :shrug:
 
IMO The press are absolute scum. They need heavily regulating.
 
Looks like they need all the help they can get.


Associate vicar Dan Clark, who led the service, asked the congregation to
remember the Yeates family, the police investigating the case
and the journalists covering it.
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Interesting that the Police have now changed their stance from stating there was no risk to the public to advising women in the Bristol area not to walk home alone.
 
Will Tescos Local be issuing a health warning to go with their home cook pizzas in the near future?
 
DemiLion said:
Will Tescos Local be issuing a health warning to go with their home cook pizzas in the near future?
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Flash In The Pan said:
Only for the Tescos Finest Vanishing range.....
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Nice one Guy`s :shake: :shake: Perhaps one of her family members will join TP shortly, just the sort of thing they would like to see I reckon. I am all for a laugh along with the rest, but have you stopped to think about the fear and every other kind of emotion she was experiencing before she new her life was going to end? If not then perhaps stop for a while and try to picture it. Strange how we do not make light of our servicemen & women getting killed, I am sure there would be uproar if that was the case.
 
u8myufo said:
Nice one Guy`s :shake: :shake: Perhaps one of her family members will join TP shortly, just the sort of thing they would like to see I reckon. I am all for a laugh along with the rest, but have you stopped to think about the fear and every other kind of emotion she was experiencing before she new her life was going to end? If not then perhaps stop for a while and try to picture it. Strange how we do not make light of our servicemen & women getting killed, I am sure there would be uproar if that was the case.
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Go back, read the posts again and then copy and paste the section from either that makes fun of the "fear and every other kind of emotion she was experiencing before she new(sic) her life was going to end"

I'll wait here....
 
Flash In The Pan said:
Go back, read the posts again and then copy and paste the section from either that makes fun of the "fear and every other kind of emotion she was experiencing before she new(sic) her life was going to end"

I'll wait here....
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And your point being Graham?
 
u8myufo said:
And your point being Graham?
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I thought I explained my point fairly well, but I'll have another go. Neither post makes fun of the girl's death, despite your claims to the contrary.

As I said in my previous post if you can point to the part of either post that makes fun of the "fear and every other kind of emotion she was experiencing before she new(sic) her life was going to end" then please do.

It's called black humour

Somehow I feel that the poor girl's family will have more pressing things on their mind than a couple of jokes about Tesco's pizza, but please feel free to be outraged on their behalf, if you so desire.
 
u8myufo said:
Nice one Guy`s :shake: :shake: Perhaps one of her family members will join TP shortly, just the sort of thing they would like to see I reckon. I am all for a laugh along with the rest, but have you stopped to think about the fear and every other kind of emotion she was experiencing before she new her life was going to end? If not then perhaps stop for a while and try to picture it. Strange how we do not make light of our servicemen & women getting killed, I am sure there would be uproar if that was the case.
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Thanks for the sanctimonious lecture, but if I wanted to hear a decent one I'd go and see a Methodist Minister.

If you don't have the intelligence to understand the point that I was making then why not just keep quiet?

The 'oooh what happens if her family read that' is an age old and pathetic comment. I can guarantee you that what I said will be tamer than the Sooty and Sweep show compared to some of the remarks already out there.

I don't really see the parallel with the Armed Forces, but I can absolutely promise you that humour after death is an integral part of that community; you obviously have never been anywhere near it.

Are you one of these people that dashes out to lay a tatty bunch of flowers at the roadside at every opportunity?
 
Marcel said:
IMO The press are absolute scum. They need heavily regulating.
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That's a huge generalisation Marcel - and just a little insulting to your forum members who work for the press. There are bad apples in any barrel - but you can't tar all of us with the same brush - just because of the antics of a few national tabloids.
 
awp said:
That's a huge generalisation Marcel - and just a little insulting to your forum members who work for the press. There are bad apples in any barrel - but you can't tar all of us with the same brush - just because of the antics of a few national tabloids.
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Oh, I don't know, Andrew. Surely stereotyping the press is quite appropriate? With a bit of knocking copy thrown in!

Or as Ben Hecht wrote, seventy five years ago;

"Newspapermen? The hand of God, reaching down into the mire, couldn't elevate one of them to the depths of degradation!"
 
Flash In The Pan said:
I thought I explained my point fairly well, but I'll have another go. Neither post makes fun of the girl's death, despite your claims to the contrary.

As I said in my previous post if you can point to the part of either post that makes fun of the "fear and every other kind of emotion she was experiencing before she new(sic) her life was going to end" then please do.

It's called black humour

Somehow I feel that the poor girl's family will have more pressing things on their mind than a couple of jokes about Tesco's pizza, but please feel free to be outraged on their behalf, if you so desire.
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My apologies then Graham if I did not explain myself well enough. Yes Black Humour is something I have come across over the last 52 years, but I felt that the Tesco joke as you so put it, was inappropriate at such a time when they do not know yet who her killer even is, but that is just my opinion.



DemiLion said:
Thanks for the sanctimonious lecture, but if I wanted to hear a decent one I'd go and see a Methodist Minister.

If you don't have the intelligence to understand the point that I was making then why not just keep quiet?

The 'oooh what happens if her family read that' is an age old and pathetic comment. I can guarantee you that what I said will be tamer than the Sooty and Sweep show compared to some of the remarks already out there.

I don't really see the parallel with the Armed Forces, but I can absolutely promise you that humour after death is an integral part of that community; you obviously have never been anywhere near it.

Are you one of these people that dashes out to lay a tatty bunch of flowers at the roadside at every opportunity?
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Thanks for the sanctimonious lecture, but if I wanted to hear a decent one I'd go and see a Methodist Minister.

Sanctimonious :lol: Did you have to Google that one?


If you don't have the intelligence to understand the point that I was making then why not just keep quiet?

Big words my friend, the only thing is, why I should actually listen to you and keep quiet :shrug:




The 'oooh what happens if her family read that' is an age old and pathetic comment.

As you seem to hold yourself in hi esteem in the intellectual department. Is that a fact?
One of your guarantee`s or promise`s will suffice in your reply.


I can guarantee you that what I said will be tamer than the Sooty and Sweep show compared to some of the remarks already out there.

That maybe so in your opinion, but again not everyone has to agree with such comments that are made in light of the situation.

I don't really see the parallel with the Armed Forces, but I can absolutely promise you that humour after death is an integral part of that community; you obviously have never been anywhere near it.

Sorry but you are forgetting my level of intelligence with this question.Anywhere near which?
The armed forces? Correct
Death? Wrong! Very wrong!



Are you one of these people that dashes out to lay a tatty bunch of flowers at the roadside at every opportunity?

You seem to be the clever F....r around here, you tell me :shrug:
 
Ah, Come on lads.

Take it out into the playground or just beg to differ.
 
u8myufo said:
My apologies then Graham if I did not explain myself well enough. Yes Black Humour is something I have come across over the last 52 years, but I felt that the Tesco joke as you so put it, was inappropriate at such a time when they do not know yet who her killer even is, but that is just my opinion.
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In which case surely discussing the matter at all is inappropriate, yet here you are pontificating.....
 
Calm down Rich...if you can't laugh, you have to cry and that solves nothing.

I actually thought the Tesco Vanishing Range quite a good one, but then I'm from the old school when it comes to that soert of thing. Tesco Value Range: Prices To Die For was another...

When several soldiers were shot to death by an Afghan policeman back in 2009 while they'd stopped for a meal break, there were numerous quips along the lines of "Didn't get the memo about serving bacon sandwiches, then?" circulating before the bodies had even been flown back to Bastion.
It's how we deal with tragedy.
 
rizla01 said:
Ah, Come on lads.

Take it out into the playground or just beg to differ.
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I will let go of his hair if he lets go of mine :lol:
Flash In The Pan said:
In which case surely discussing the matter at all is inappropriate, yet here you are pontificating.....
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You might well be right Graham as I feel as it is going off topic, but then some peoples comments can be and are read in the wrong context sometimes. Apologies again if it was I who brought this on.

And for the records that is not a sarcastic reply ;)
 
Flash In The Pan said:
Interesting that the Police have now changed their stance from stating there was no risk to the public to advising women in the Bristol area not to walk home alone.
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From the news reports I have seen what they actually said was "There is no intelligence to suggest an increased risk... but as always everyone should take due care... etc etc" (obviously I'm para-phrasing)

All that says to me is -
1. There is no evidence to suggest they have a serial killer on their hands - they think it is an isolated event.
2. They might be wrong.
3. Regardless of the above the police are always going to advise people to take due care of themselves.

I don't think they have changed their stance at all :shrug:
 
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The police have to play safe and advise people to be cautious - I wouldn't read too much into that.

There have been huge amounts of forensic material taken from a number of flats and several vehicles (just that we know of) apart from the scene where the body was found, and it takes a lot of time for the lab to examine all that material properly. Let's hope that the forensic results when they're available point them in the right direction - if not it could be a long haul with this enquiry - depending on someone coming forward with fresh information or a similar break.
 
Arkady2 said:
Calm down Rich...if you can't laugh, you have to cry and that solves nothing.

I actually thought the Tesco Vanishing Range quite a good one, but then I'm from the old school when it comes to that soert of thing. Tesco Value Range: Prices To Die For was another...

When several soldiers were shot to death by an Afghan policeman back in 2009 while they'd stopped for a meal break, there were numerous quips along the lines of "Didn't get the memo about serving bacon sandwiches, then?" circulating before the bodies had even been flown back to Bastion.
It's how we deal with tragedy.
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The thing is Rob I was not ranting or raving about it as such, and I was certainly not in tears about it. The thing to remember is we are all individuals who look at things differently, some things we feel sensitive to and other things we dont. As Ct mentioned in the original thread, thoughts have to be with the parents. I have a 19yr old daughter who has just started a new job in Bristol, now whilst I do not worry about her in any way, as a parent you cannot let things like this get to you. But when I read those comments that were made in light of it, something clicks inside. Ho Hum life goes on as they say ;)
 
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Daysleeper40 said:
From the news reports I have seen what they actually said was "There is no intelligence to suggest an increased risk... but as always everyone should take due care... etc etc" (obviously I'm para-phrasing)

All that says to me is -
1. There is no evidence to suggest they have a serial killer on their hands - they think it is an isolated event.
2. They might be wrong.
3. Regardless of the above the police are always going to advise people to take due care of themselves.

I don't think they have changed their stance at all :shrug:
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It's gone from

Avon and Somerset Police said they did not believe there was an increased risk to the public
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Police hunting Joanna Yeates’s murderer last night admitted a killer was on the loose – and told women not to go out alone after dark.
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I'd say that was a volte face....
 
Black humour. I went to a sudden death where an old chap was found dead in his back garden. He'd obviously had a massive heart attack and was probably dead before he hit the ground, but he's fallen face first onto an empty clay flower pot which had broken and buried itself into his face . The whole thing was extremely messy and looked like a grotesque overdone Jimmy Durante impression.

The shift probationer was behind the greenhouse, quietly chucking up everything he'd eaten for a fortnight. The shift inspector told him to have a walk round to the son's house who it transpired lived in the next street and break the news to him.

As he was walking away the Inspector shouted after him "And ask him how long his dad's been eating flower pots"

Young fuzz turned around looking puzzled and still ashen faced.

The inspector said "That was a joke son - OK?" :D
 
Yves Geza said:
... mais tous renonces par votre refuser de connaitre Francais
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Agincourt, Crecy, Harfleur, Renault, Citroen...the list goes on and on...
We earned the right to ignore it if we feel like it.

Je sais assez pour passer en France, même si c'est Français très mauvais...

C'est le Bordel n'est pas? Un Anglais qui ne s'inquiète pas...?
Et rappelez-vous; pour conduire en France que vous devez seulement savoir l'expression: Putain! Espèce de Cochon!!! Putain pays! Putain types! Encoulez-vous!!!


Or other words to that effect...lol

And volte-face is actually Portuguese in origin from the Italian voltafaccia which in turn is derived from...you guessed it - Latin.
 
Ah oui, je aussi parle tres bien le Franglais!

But why bother with all this funny foreign language? Surely you can still remember how to say "Ab-out [wait for it, wait for it!] turn!" :)
 
The latest seems to be focussing on the pizza. Have they confirmed if the post-mortem showed she'd eaten any of it? They've been on about this pizza box being vital evidence from the start - so the first thing the murderer would have done is efficiently dispose of it, probably by burning.
 
tirc83 said:
The latest seems to be focussing on the pizza. Have they confirmed if the post-mortem showed she'd eaten any of it? They've been on about this pizza box being vital evidence from the start - so the first thing the murderer would have done is efficiently dispose of it, probably by burning.
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No mention made of it having been eaten. Nor have the pol said when she actually died. Date reported missing has been stated and the date of finding the body, but nothing given out about anything in between.
 
I doubt the pizza would have been considered significant by the offender at the time (unless of course it's the pizza guy :D )

As it happens, the pizza has become very significant to the enquiry and has quite rightly been widely publicised.
 
tirc83 said:
The latest seems to be focussing on the pizza. Have they confirmed if the post-mortem showed she'd eaten any of it? They've been on about this pizza box being vital evidence from the start - so the first thing the murderer would have done is efficiently dispose of it, probably by burning.
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That would imply a degree of organisation, which is at odds with everything else that is known about the perpetrator(s) thus far.
 
Accomplice now mentioned. Does that suggest the b/f and whoever he was staying with as they are effectively alibis for each other? If they had taken the pizza box with them then it will be much harder to find as they could have dumped it anywhere on route. Finding a pizza box in Bristol is one thing. Finding one that is potentially in any part of England from Bristol to Sheffield is another.
 
srichards said:
Accomplice now mentioned. Does that suggest the b/f and whoever he was staying with as they are effectively alibis for each other?
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In short, yes. Of course the assumption there is that if the boyfriend is involved that the person he went to visit was the one who aided him, which doesn't necessarily follow......
 
The problem is there are a fair few suspects reasonably close to the deceased who can't be ignored in the enquiry, but who in fact may not be involved at all, so the police have to keep an open mind on the lines of enquiry they're pursuing.

It may come down to the forensics for a breakthrough in the case. It's probably well nigh impossible with modern forensic techniques for an offender not to leave some part of himself at the scene however minute, but finding it is another matter altogether, it's an incredibly painstaking process.

In a worst case scenario the police could even end up with the fingerprints or DNA of the offender, with no suspect for comparison and no trace of the prints or DNA in the databases. I know just how frustrating that can be, so my thoughts are with the cops - I know how hard they'll be working on this and just how much they want a result.
 
I was rather intrigued by the report of te light coloured 4x4 seen 'In The Area' on the day the body was discovered?

Earlier they suggested that they had no clue how long the body had been there as it was partially covered in snow.

So are they backtracking slightly?

What would be the relevence of the 4x4 if that was the case?
 
Paper I was reading at lunch time says that they now have DNA evidence of an unidentified person who had drunk some of the cider that was purchased on the day she went missing.

Also stated that they cannot confirm if she had eaten any of the missing pizza, and that due to the adverse weather conditions, it was difficult to pinpoint an accurate time of death.

It also makes sense that they must investigate the boyfriend, even just to rule him out. If she went out without keys, purse or mobile phone, then one has to assume that if she did so willingly, she must of had a way of getting back into the flat - boyfriend is the obvious answer, so that needs to be put to bed as not possible, otherwise that door is always open.

Steve


CT said:
The problem is there are a fair few suspects reasonably close to the deceased who can't be ignored in the enquiry, but who in fact may not be involved at all, so the police have to keep an open mind on the lines of enquiry they're pursuing.

It may come down to the forensics for a breakthrough in the case. It's probably well nigh impossible with modern forensic techniques for an offender not to leave some part of himself at the scene however minute, but finding it is another matter altogether, it's an incredibly painstaking process.

In a worst case scenario the police could even end up with the fingerprints or DNA of the offender, with no suspect for comparison and no trace of the prints or DNA in the databases. I know just how frustrating that can be, so my thoughts are with the cops - I know how hard they'll be working on this and just how much they want a result.
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Jelster said:
Paper I was reading at lunch time says that they now have DNA evidence of an unidentified person who had drunk some of the cider that was purchased on the day she went missing.
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Well that's encouraging if it's the actually the case.

Also stated that they cannot confirm if she had eaten any of the missing pizza, and that due to the adverse weather conditions, it was difficult to pinpoint an accurate time of death.
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Time of death is usually calculated from body temperature taking into account the effect of ambient temperature. Also whether or not rigor is still present in the corpse can be a good indication. If the body was frozen to the extent it probably was it would be extremely difficult to come to any accurate assessment of time of death. I've known the initial assessment be out by a week in similar circumstances when we finally knew what happened.
 
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