Joanna Yeates -Body Now Found.

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Sonriendo said:
Better body found than lost forever like Marta del Castillo




ETA sorry that was harsh. But I personally would prefer to have a corpse to bury and know what had happened unlike poor Martas parents
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Very sad, but very true. If someone is kidnapped you really don't know what kind of suffering they are enduring. It makes you wonder why people like the McCanns are so sure their child is still alive. If that is the case, what kind of hell is the little girl going through???:'(
 
canon_togger said:
Just been watching on the news her parents visiting the spot where she was found. How very brave of them, I dont know if I would want to go there :(

My heart goes out to them, can't even begin to imagine what they are going through.
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How I HATE the media cashing in on scenes like that.

Will it actually HELP anyone to see this? Nope.

But will it sell copy?

This was an intrusion into the most private of all times in someones life - handling the death of a loved one.

And that should be held sacred at ALL times.
 
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Duncan.F said:
I too am very sad about the whole thing. I was also a Prison Officer [we don't have 'warders'] and believe me prison is no soft option. Most people who have not been inside a jail would cringe in horror at spending a few hours there let alone years.
Every waking moment is controlled by staff, when they get let out and for how long. Letters, phone calls, meal times, social time all is controlled tightly. Prisons are smelly, noisy overcrowded and the threat of violence and intimidation is omnipresent and very real. Have a cell mate whose social skills end at pi**ing or w**king over your bed [or you]. Fun fun fun, but hey ho the telly in the cell makes up for it. Prisoners get sweet FA all and loads of it! But above all they lose their most precious assett, freedom.
As we used to say 'happiness is door shaped'.

Ex Door Slammer
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I don't doubt prison isn't easy, but let's be honest, UK prisons are hotels compared to prisons in other countries. Take South African prisons for example..50-60 prisoners crowded into a communal cell for 30 prisoners..not single or double cells (except in exceptional circumstances). The cells doors are locked in the evening and only opened up the next morning, so the gangs have you at their beck and call. One of the highest sodomy and Aids infection rates in the prison world. I would take UK prisons over SA prisons any day..but then I wouldn't put myself in that position.

My heart goes out to the family and equally the couple who discovered her body..for they too will remember that for the rest of their lives. I can only hope that the sad incident is resolved appropriately and that any justice served is swift and decisive.
 
rizla01 said:
How I HATE the media cashing in on scenes like that.

Will it actually HELP anyone to see this? Nope.

But will it sell copy?

This was an intrusion into the most private of all times in someones life - handling the death of a loved one.

And that should be held sacred at ALL times.
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It could, it could jog someones memory which could help a lot.
 
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It could, it could jog someones memory which could help a lot.

Which?

The scene of the crime or the bereaved parents in Mourning?

There could well be someone who saw something and has opted not to get involved. The sight of those grieving parents may make such a person think twice about that.
Other thing is that the general public has a very short attention span for these events and they need to be continually reminded about what has happened or interest wanes.
 
arclight said:
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Originally Posted by cambsno View Post
It could, it could jog someones memory which could help a lot.

Which?

The scene of the crime or the bereaved parents in Mourning?

There could well be someone who saw something and has opted not to get involved. The sight of those grieving parents may make such a person think twice about that.
Other thing is that the general public has a very short attention span for these events and they need to be continually reminded about what has happened or interest wanes.
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I agree with this. I'm also pretty sure this is one of the reasons Crimewatch it so successful. By jogging peoples minds but by also making those who are withholding information come forward by making them see the destructive effects things like this can have on people.
 
I agree with the previous points - there is a need for the press in this instance. There's also the fact that the family were happy for them to be there and had given it the ok.... if they didn't want to be seen they could have done it all out of sight (the car could have gone over the brow of the hill and they could have laid flowers in private, THEY chose not to - perhaps for reasons said above re: jogging memory or causing someone to admit to it).
 
BBC have reported that she was strangled.
How dreadfull. Thoroughly evil person on the loose who must be found.
 
Maybe not the first either

The discovery of what is believed to be Joanna Yeates' body draws chilling comparisons to the unsolved murder of Melanie Hall 14 years ago.

Similarities between the two cases are striking. Both were happy young professionals with everything to live for... and their disappearances baffled friends and family.

Melanie vanished in June 1996
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This is all really devistating. Those poor parents. I keep thinking Joanne must have known her killer. I mean why leave the flat on a bitterly cold evening with no coat, bag, keys or purse?? So many unanswered questions!

On the news today her land lord came forward to say that he was parking his car outside around 9pm (conveniently!) and saw her leaving her flat with 2 people but couldn't be sure if they were male or female. That to me sounds odd and I can't quite put my finger on it but it just made me feel uncomfortable. Maybe he did it or had something to do with it as it knew the boyfriend was away. Who knows.

Hope the culprit is caught swiftly.
 
Hado said:
This is all really devistating. Those poor parents. I keep thinking Joanne must have known her killer. I mean why leave the flat on a bitterly cold evening with no coat, bag, keys or purse?? So many unanswered questions!

On the news today her land lord came forward to say that he was parking his car outside around 9pm (conveniently!) and saw her leaving her flat with 2 people but couldn't be sure if they were male or female. That to me sounds odd and I can't quite put my finger on it but it just made me feel uncomfortable. Maybe he did it or had something to do with it as it knew the boyfriend was away. Who knows.

Hope the culprit is caught swiftly.
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According to Sky the lanlord told that story to neighbours, but had not told the police at that time.
Police have got 96 hours to charge or release him.
 
I thought he had something to do with it. Perhaps he made a pass at her because the boyfriend was away, she spurned his advances then he strangles her to stop her spilling the beans.

Its and open and shut case.

You'll probably find that he's got something to do with Melanie Hall too.
 
Hado said:
I thought he had something to do with it. Perhaps he made a pass at her because the boyfriend was away, she spurned his advances then he strangles her to stop her spilling the beans.

Its and open and shut case.

You'll probably find that he's got something to do with Melanie Hall too.
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Case solved! Hang the *******! :rolleyes:
 
Partners and ex-partners are usually top of the list as suspects. Strangling someone seems a bit far to go when you could have said you never said it or she misunderstood or it was a joke.

In any murder investigation there are bound to be parallels with others.

Simpler explanation. She comes home with some bloke and finds bf still there. Bloke goes off with the pizza. Her and him have a big row and he strangles her. He then sets off for his relatives and dumps her on the way so he's out of the way. Alternatively the pizza never makes it home in the first place and that is how the row starts. Repeat as above with either bloke she went home with or BF. It seems odd to me that a couple that live together and he's not got worried within 24 hours that he hasn't heard from her. He came home sunday evening then discovered she wasn't there. Seems very odd. If the pizza made it home he dumped the pizza then for some reason as it had evidence of him eating it which he couldn't do if he was supposed to be somewhere else? I'd be checking the bins round the flats or places nearby. If the tesco express is close by, their bins would be the best place to dump it...assuming no cctv.
 
This thread is now in danger of getting just a bit silly, now isn't it.

One could weave a hundred possible scenarios around the evidence so far realeased.

Out of respect, lets leave that to all the other gossip-mongers and wait for the facts, shall we.
 
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srichards said:
Partners and ex-partners are usually top of the list as suspects. Strangling someone seems a bit far to go when you could have said you never said it or she misunderstood or it was a joke.

In any murder investigation there are bound to be parallels with others.

Simpler explanation. She comes home with some bloke and finds bf still there. Bloke goes off with the pizza. Her and him have a big row and he strangles her. He then sets off for his relatives and dumps her on the way so he's out of the way. Alternatively the pizza never makes it home in the first place and that is how the row starts. Repeat as above with either bloke she went home with or BF. It seems odd to me that a couple that live together and he's not got worried within 24 hours that he hasn't heard from her. He came home sunday evening then discovered she wasn't there. Seems very odd. If the pizza made it home he dumped the pizza then for some reason as it had evidence of him eating it which he couldn't do if he was supposed to be somewhere else? I'd be checking the bins round the flats or places nearby. If the tesco express is close by, their bins would be the best place to dump it...assuming no cctv.
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You didn't see the Sky "interview" with the landlord then?

Even if he didn't do it his demeanor was odd to say the least......
 
No I haven't watched any tv coverage since seeing a bit on Sunday. Just read a few bits in the papers. Landlord could be an attention seeking plonker.

As long as whoever did it is found soon and banged up in prison then that is what is important.
 
A very creepy looking landlord too. Just like one of Harry Enfield's 'Old Gits' with walnut whip hair.
 
Hado said:
I thought he had something to do with it. Perhaps he made a pass at her because the boyfriend was away, she spurned his advances then he strangles her to stop her spilling the beans.

Its and open and shut case.

You'll probably find that he's got something to do with Melanie Hall too.
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You got all the from the little information we hear on the news? Sherlock would be proud!
 
Great news although we need to remember this guy hasn't been charged yet and may not be. Having said that, I don't think the cops would have gone nap and pulled him on a wing and a prayer at this early stage, I'd guess they have some pretty tangible evidence.

The case stank of someone she knew being responsible for the outset.
 
ok here's some facts + my interpretation:

1. cctv footage buying pizza - said pizza missing, no evidence of it eaten at the flat.
2. her keys were in the flat - no evidence of forced entry.... no evidence of a struggle.
3. landlord interviewed by police - landlord interviewed by press.... somewhere along the lines his story changed.
4. no cctv footage of Joanna across bridge - therefore she'd have to have been taken by car (pre/post death undetermined).... link to fact 2.... why no struggle in the flat.... she knew the person.... why go out but leave keys at home, presumption... she was taken by surprise and overpowered....


why surprise, why no struggle is a simple answer..... she knew who it was, and she knew that person well enough for them to come into her home


please note: some of this post is my view
 
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For the most part we only have what the press are saying is fact.
BBC (and Sky) initially reported that the police had 96 hours to question the suspect.
BBC are now saying that it was 24 hours and it has been extended by a further 12 hours.

"A 12-hour extension - which will take police up until about 1900 GMT on Friday - was granted by a senior officer after the initial 24 hours to question him ran out."
 
arclight said:
For the most part we only have what the press are saying is fact.
BBC (and Sky) initially reported that the police had 96 hours to question the suspect.
BBC are now saying that it was 24 hours and it has been extended by a further 12 hours.

"A 12-hour extension - which will take police up until about 1900 GMT on Friday - was granted by a senior officer after the initial 24 hours to question him ran out."
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IIRC the initial questioning period for police on matters such as this is 24hrs, extensions have to be granted.
In terrorism cases they have 72hrs I believe.

I might not be 100% on this, it's been a while since I studied the criminal justice system
 
I'm pretty sure that it was inevitable that any single male resident of that building (esp one with a set of keys to her flat) would be dragged in for some 'questioning with enthusiasm', regardless of any other evidence found...

Just because he looks like a bloody freak doesn't mean he did the deed. He's an ex Public-School teacher for God's sake - they all look like freaks...

You think the teachers from Harry Potter are fictionalised? Apart from the broomsticks, they could be from any English Public School faculty...
 
I wonder how motivated the forensics guys are?
 
Arkady2 said:
I'm pretty sure that it was inevitable that any single male resident of that building (esp one with a set of keys to her flat) would be dragged in for some 'questioning with enthusiasm', regardless of any other evidence found...

Just because he looks like a bloody freak doesn't mean he did the deed. He's an ex Public-School teacher for God's sake - they all look like freaks...

You think the teachers from Harry Potter are fictionalised? Apart from the broomsticks, they could be from any English Public School faculty...
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Yes, and if the press reports are correct he also became the last known person to see her alive. That also can bring a load of pointed questions.
 
arclight said:
Yes, and if the press reports are correct he also became the last known person to see her alive. That also can bring a load of pointed questions.
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The killer was the last person to see her alive - Press speculation of that sort does more harm than good IMO...

In November 2009, I was the last person to see two people alive.
Wasn't me that killed them even though I was trying hard at the time...
 
Arkady2 said:
The killer was the last person to see her alive - Press speculation of that sort does more harm than good IMO...
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The press and media can be a huge assistance to police in cases like this in reaching out to the public. The downside is that they live and die by every bit of info they can glean, and what they don't know, they'll speculate and make quantum leaps of supposition about, to the extent that any subsequent fair trial can be severely compromised, so using the press can be a bit of a poisoned chalice overall.

You're quite right - being an oddball doesn't make this guy guilty. Let the cops do their job - we'll all know soon enough - one way or the other.
 
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Lasagne said:
What does that mean ?
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I assume it refers to the government cutbacks in forensic services, but I'm sure they'll do their job to the best of their ability despite the politics.
 
Which way do you go.

Innocent?

Neighbours expressed their shock at his arrest. Oliver Cullen used to own two flats in the same building and has known the bachelor for many years.

“I don’t believe for one minute that Chris has done this,” he said. “He would not be physically capable for one thing. He only weighs about 11 stones. He would not have the strength to do something like that.

“He is a nice man. A bit vocal perhaps and certainly rather eccentric, but he was just an old-school teacher really.”
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Or Guilty

Mr Jefferies has been described by pupils at Clifton College where he worked for 30 years as a fan of dark and violent avant garde films.
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rizla01 said:
Which way do you go.

Innocent?

Or Guilty
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It just shows how worthless and potentially dangerous this sort of press activity is. I wonder what some of our neighbours would be saying about us if we found ourselves in the same position?

The only thing that matters is finding evidence to satisfy a court he's guilty, and sometimes that's well nigh impossible. If you don't like it - go and live in a country where they don't have these sort of obstacles. China would be good. ;)
 
Oh don't you love a conspiracy theory?

Here's a fact: newpapers are in business to sell newspapers.

Here's a quote from someone in the media: "Never let the facts get in the way of a good story".

The landlord looks slightly off normal: let's get out the electrodes, he'll confess eventually.
 
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