"Jihadi John" taken out by the Americans

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Seems they are quite confident that they killed him in a drone strike. You live by the sword, you die by the sword. Still awaiting confirmation of his demise.
 
I believe "eviscerated" was used in the statement from the US.
Has a nice ring to it.
 
Good.
 
I am sure that there is a long line of them waiting to replace him
 
Lets not forget though that the Americans have a habit of also hitting innocent civilians, woman and children with drone strikes..
They are not as surgical as they would like us to believe.
 
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ecoleman said:
We'll blow them all off the face of the earth.
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Not really - the Middle East etc., - there will always be conflict - depending on your beliefs, one could almost say that it is biblical

- basically we have a different kind of "world war" developing, pushing out from the Middle East - look at what could, (will) happen in Saudi and the implications for the region, now that will be frightening ...... look at what will happen in others so called peaceful Middle East states....... the quest for democracy in such countries which are based on tribal power will always be violent and long standing - the region is rich but all the power and wealth resides with a few - they will never give it up freely

Look at what may happen in some central european republics

and then there is of course Israel and Iran

The Middle East is a powder keg that will keep exploding and the war has being taken to Europe, Asia and the US ....... this will continue at a pace ....... and we will never be sure what will happen next

The irony in the above is that the West has financed all this terror - we have piled vast amounts of petro dollars into the region through our need for energy ......... the Saudi "Royals" have billions and billions to keep their regime in power

just my opinion
 
Collateral damage has to be expected and accepted in war. I have no issue with it. Dunno if it happened in this case so may be pretty irrelevant at the end of the day.
 
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Mr Bump said:
Lets not forget though that the Americans have a habit of also hitting innocent civilians, woman and children with drone strikes..
They are not as surgical as they would like us to believe.
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It's all just sad and wrong
 
BillN_33 said:
Not really - the Middle East etc., - there will always be conflict - depending on your beliefs, one could almost say that it is biblical
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Sadly, I suspect you're right in that. I think they're are just too many problems to surmount in the region, and people will never allow them to drop either
 
ah well ,taken out no different to squashing a cockroach ,makes a mess but has to be done .all they need to do now is take out the leaders of these isis lunatics ,but there probably living in german or sweden by now have fled with the rest of the the great unwashed into europe
 
the black fox said:
ah well ,taken out no different to squashing a cockroach ,makes a mess but has to be done .all they need to do now is take out the leaders of these isis lunatics ,but there probably living in german or sweden by now have fled with the rest of the the great unwashed into europe
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Describing people that have fled the horrors taking place in that part of the world as "the great unwashed" really is uncalled for. I'm sure you'd be the first on a boat out of there if you were from there.
 
yep having owned several boats in my lifetime and sailed them fair distances ,your probably right :beer::beer:
 
oopsy, hey ho, never mind... I would have preferred a slightly more traumatic death as in what he did to others, but hey ho... little does he know his 72 virgins in heaven are SuBo and 71 world of warcraft players.
 
BRASH said:
Collateral damage has to be expected and accepted in war.
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Unfortunately for us innocent UK citizens the terrorist share your beliefs also.
 
Byker28i said:
Statistically, more people dies from bee stings in the uk than terrorist attacks
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Thank Christ the effin bee population is subsiding then. God knows what it would be like if bees developed religious, ethnic and cultural intolerance.
 
Mr Bump said:
Makes interesting reading for those that glory in stories like the one posted above, some estimates put the numbers at 10 civilians killed for every 1 militant killed.

But no one cares for those people in these stories do they?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_from_US_drone_strikes
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So what about the casualties inflicted on innocent UK/US/European/Russian Citizens by terrorists? Look at the recent Aircraft Bomb in Egypt, and killings in Tunisia. No one is saying collateral damage is right but what do you do,keep on turning the other cheek?
 
Overexposed said:
So what about the casualties inflicted on innocent UK/US/European/Russian Citizens by terrorists? Look at the recent Aircraft Bomb in Egypt, and killings in Tunisia. No one is saying collateral damage is right but what do you do,keep on turning the other cheek?
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Its no about "Turning the other cheek" all that these drones strikes do is create more terrorists by radicalizing people against policies that they cannot even comprehend.

Seeing your wife and child blown apart by a missile in a street intended for a bad man in a car/van/whatever does not take our cause forwards at all it takes it backwards every single time.
 
5000 feet is the best
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-e...truth-and-fiction-became-blurred-8783611.html

The production of Omer Fast’s 5,000 Feet is the Best took us to interesting places. It started with a small team, a large Ford, and a journey to Las Vegas, where we met up with Fast to research the much discussed and mostly opaque drone pilot program.

Secret interviews, pseudonyms, a call from the FBI, and an unusually large quantity of hard drives made our trip surreal. From there, we worked with the artist to research and produce a film that put us in touch with exceptional individuals and astounding concepts.

The thirty-minute film is based on two meetings with a Predator drone sensor operator that were recorded in a hotel in Las Vegas in September 2010. On camera, the drone operator agrees to discuss the technical aspects of his job and his daily routine. Off camera and off the record, he briefly described recurring incidents in which the unmanned plane fired at both militants and civilians — and the psychological difficulties he experienced as a result.

Instead of looking for the appropriate news accounts or documentary footage to augment his redacted story, the film is deliberately miscast and misplaced: It follows an actor cast as the drone operator who grudgingly sits for an interview in a dark hotel. The interview is repeatedly interrupted by the actor’s digressions, which take the viewer on meandering trips around Las Vegas. Told in quick flashbacks, the stories form a circular plot that nevertheless returns fitfully to the voice and blurred face of the actual drone operator — and his unfinished story.



View: https://vimeo.com/34050994
 
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Mr Bump said:
Its no about "Turning the other cheek" all that these drones strikes do is create more terrorists by radicalizing people against policies that they cannot even comprehend.

Seeing your wife and child blown apart by a missile in a street intended for a bad man in a car/van/whatever does not take our cause forwards at all it takes it backwards every single time.
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Of course the other way might be to ensure that radicalism is driven out from your community or country and not let them live amongst you.
 
Overexposed said:
Of course the other way might be to ensure that radicalism is driven out from your community or country and not let them live amongst you.
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And how do you think radicalization gets in ?

imagine the scenario

Jihad John to call him by his given name was getting in to a vehicle when he was allegedly targeted.
What if the vehicle was a local taxi car?
So the missile also kills the innocent driver.
leaves a widow and two children.
who then leaves Syria as a war refugee with her two children.
who ends up in the EU maybe even in the UK.
Full of hate for the country that killed her innocent husband?

what next?
 
Mr Bump said:
And how do you think radicalization gets in ?

imagine the scenario

Jihad John to call him by his given name was getting in to a vehicle when he was allegedly targeted.
What if the vehicle was a local taxi car?
So the missile also kills the innocent driver.
leaves a widow and two children.
who then leaves Syria as a war refugee with her two children.
who ends up in the EU maybe even in the UK.
Full of hate for the country that killed her innocent husband?

what next?
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My point is if the community didn't allow Jihadi John to live there, operate from or exist there, there wouldn't be a problem would there?
 
Overexposed said:
My point is if the community didn't allow Jihadi John to live there, operate from or exist there, there wouldn't be a problem would there?
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But why DID he go there In the first place?
Why did he go there with a hatred of the west?

Once the west takes on board and actually understands the massive damage these drone strikes do to these peoples only then will we start to stem the tide.
 
Mr Bump said:
But why DID he go there In the first place?
Why did he go there with a hatred of the west?

Once the west takes on board and actually understands the massive damage these drone strikes do to these peoples only then will we start to stem the tide.
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I don't disagree , but if the community didn't allow radicalism to exist or operate then there would be no need for drone strikes would there?
 
Overexposed said:
My point is if the community didn't allow Jihadi John to live there, operate from or exist there, there wouldn't be a problem would there?
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Not until a stray predator lands in their daughters wedding, hence radicalising a bunch more who will gladly give safe harbour to anybody that will fight against their enemy.

This is how radicalisation happens. Starts with an unnecessary arrest, next thing you know bombs are falling from the skies. Its a vicious cycle that has numerous components, and while people here continue to think that dropping more bombs, jailing more people without trial (even 'dropping a nuke on the lot of them...) will fix things, nobody can win.
 
Mr Bump said:
And how do you think radicalization gets in ?

imagine the scenario

Jihad John to call him by his given name was getting in to a vehicle when he was allegedly targeted.
What if the vehicle was a local taxi car?
So the missile also kills the innocent driver.
leaves a widow and two children.
who then leaves Syria as a war refugee with her two children.
who ends up in the EU maybe even in the UK.
Full of hate for the country that killed her innocent husband?

what next?
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Scenario #2

Said widow, now free of her oppressive husband, does indeed flee Syria for the west with her children.
She does end up in the UK, grateful to be afforded the opportunity to change her life, work, live free of oppression and see her children safe and well educated.

Every bit as likely as scenario #1.
 
Mr Bump said:
And how do you think radicalization gets in ?

imagine the scenario

Jihad John to call him by his given name was getting in to a vehicle when he was allegedly targeted.
What if the vehicle was a local taxi car?
So the missile also kills the innocent driver.
leaves a widow and two children.
who then leaves Syria as a war refugee with her two children.
who ends up in the EU maybe even in the UK.
Full of hate for the country that killed her innocent husband?

what next?
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Imagine the scenario
Jihad John to call him by his given name was getting in to a vehicle when he was allegedly targeted.
What if the vehicle was a local taxi car?
So the missile also kills the innocent driver.
who happened to be a Isis supporter
who'd taken a wife by force
so his death leaves a widow and two children.
who then leaves Syria as a war refugee with her two children.
who ends up in the EU maybe even in the UK.
Full of joy of her freedom from an oppressive regime and husband?



Both versions are equally b******t as we don't know the circumstances.
 
The killing of this animal accomplishes absolutely nothing. There will be 100 more willing to take his place.
 
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