Jade's gone...

it is but its really going round and round in circles at the minute
 
fabs said:
Those are accepted acronyms along with ones like PMSL, I do not believe they break any rules.
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I'll let admin or mods comment on that one. I still don't think you need to use them to make your point though Marc. Something you chose not to comment on?
 
dod said:
Because I don't believe your views all originate from research :shrug: I could be wrong but that's just how it looks.
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Well you did quote a bit from pre research times, but t'is ok. I researched with an open mind but found very little to change my opinion of her. Perhaps that is why it seems that way. BUT... at least I went looking :) How many here with an opposing opinion did similar I wonder?
 
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hepburn said:
BUT... at least I went looking :) How many here with an opposing opinion did similar I wonder?
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sammyd56 said:
... 'superior-than-thou' attitude...
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Just one of many examples.

It's a shame, but Dom is right, the argument is pointless.

Look at my last post for example. I try to start a discussion about respect for the recently deceased, and Hepburn then replies with a justification of his opinion on Jade, completely missing the point. Again.

I give up. :shrug:
 
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What I find so odious about the whole "career" of this young lady is that how we,as a nation,funded her rise to fame.Some of the people of this once fine nation,actually found her interesting enough to enable her to sell her miserable existance to papers and magazines.Only in this country could somebody find fame and fortune through being galatically thick,obnoxious, racist and downright repugnant.
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Very well put :thumbs:
 
Steep said:
She used her fame to get money FOR HER CHILDREN, it wasn't going to be any good to her was it? If she'd had a couple of years I'm quite sure she would have lent her support to cancer charities but she had a few short months. I know from experience that everything outside of the immediate family just fades to insignificance when that judgement comes down. Unless you've been through it you just can't imagine what a hammer blow that is, especially when diagnosed so late, and how quickly the disease saps your strength and will. My father lasted two weeks after he was diagnosed, my mother lasted three months.
In that situation your focus on 'life' narrows down to the bare essentials (like how much it hurts to get up to go to the toilet and the indignity of having to get a nurse or family member to wipe your backside because you just can't do it yourself) and then the worry about those you are leaving behind and how no matter how hard you have tried in your life it wasn't enough, you failed, they aren't safe, they aren't secure.

All of you for gods sake give the poor dead woman a ******* break!
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I am sorry about your parents, BUT, i have gone through this. 3 times with my ex-partner and her Grandparents, and i am going through this with my best friend, his dad has just been diagnosed with a second round of Testicular Cancer which could have spread into his lower bowels, he is not shouting about the fact he will be able to have no more kids with his partner, or will have to **** into a bag for the rest of his life.

And i accept the money is for her kids, but don't you think her fame has made her enough allready?? Was there any need for her to sell even more of her soul to gain more money, or was it down to the ever lovely Max Clifford.

My comment is, she didn't look at the bigger picture, she could have used her status better, and helped herself and others by campaigning for Cancer Charities. This is what i find hard to stomach, it is allmost verging on selfishness. As i have said, i feel for her family and wouldn't have wished this on Jade, BUT, i think it could have been dealt with a little more subtly, instead it was plastered all over the Media everyday, like some Nationwide Diary event:thumbsdown:
 
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Can anyone say Coucil Estate....
 
It is a forum,this is a "let`s chat about stuff other than photography" part of it,Hepburn is perfectly entitled to his opinions, as are all others.

Giving up is not the way to hold a reasonable discussion.
 
I think it was ok magazine that published the jade goody 1981 to 2009 tribute with her last words before she had even died, which just shows how sick the media machine can be, but she courted it and new exactly what she was doing, i felt sorry for her neighbour who she publicly argued with a couple of weeks ago, he even said to her at the time "are you making sure the cameras are on you" as she ranted at him, i wonder how many of the jade goody fan club on here would have relished the thought of living next door to her ;)
 
Of course he's entitled to his opinion. I feel like I'm speaking in a different language here, nobody seems to get it.

The problem I have is that I raise a point about respect for the dead, and he goes off on one about Jade's background. How can you hold a discussion when you present a question and the other person answers a different one?
 
Flash In The Pan said:
only you...most others would say "Council estate" or "scheme" ;)
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:lol: there is nothing worse than trying to make a funny statement and having a typo in it :shake:
 
fracster said:
It is a forum,this is a "let`s chat about stuff other than photography" part of it,Hepburn is perfectly entitled to his opinions, as are all others.
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Of course he's entitled to his opinion. I feel like I'm speaking in a different language here, nobody seems to get it.

The problem I have is that I raise a point about respect for the dead, and he goes off on one about Jade's background. How can you hold a discussion when you present a question and the other person answers a different one?

Giving up is not the way to hold a reasonable discussion.
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:thinking:
 
sammyd56 said:
Whatever you think of Jade, I think we should have some respect at a sensitive time like this. Does no-one agree with me?
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Couldn't agree more.

dod said:
There was mention on the new last night about a film apparently :shrug:
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I've thought from the start of her news this would happen. I can see the film being based on her life from start to premature finish. It may give people a different insight to who Jade really was.

You have to remember, whilst Jade did exploit the papers and any other media source for publicity and money ... I doubt those sources would ever have portrayed the real Jade. They have published what earns them huge sums of money, and that's not the good stuff.

I personally think that Jade had been living in a dream world and even right up until the bitter end, she didn't snap out of it. I think if there is a film, it will be interesting to watch.

I'm not, and wasn't a Jade lover, but I can see both sides of the fence ... what was her side and ours :)

RIP Jade ... Actually RIF (rest in fame) Jade ;)
 
hepburn said:
I'll let admin or mods comment on that one. I still don't think you need to use them to make your point though Marc. Something you chose not to comment on?
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Have never seen Admin comment on the use of said Acronyms and I chose not to comment on your point as I didn't feel the need to.
 
Hepburn does not have any respect for her,nor do I,certainly not whilst she was alive and equally not in her death.Some of us hold the point of view and have reasoned why we hold that point of veiw.Others differ,that is what the discussion is about.....:)
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I give up. :shrug:
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Maybe I misunderstood this bit......;)
 
sammyd56 said:
Just one of many examples.
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You use my asking a question to make/prove a false premise you have about me? Hardly my fault if no one has or fails to come forward. Do you have an inferiority complex perchance?

sammyd56 said:
Look at my last post for example. I try to start a discussion about respect for the recently deceased, and Hepburn then replies with a justification of his opinion on Jade, completely missing the point. Again.

I give up. :shrug:
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You might as well if you fail to ignore the fact you invited replies on 3 points, 2 of which were questions. All I did was respond. I also responded to your point about respect, stating quite clearly I didn't agree with you, and then went on to say why I didn't. If you wish to manipulate my response to make an invalid point then go ahead. I can only imagine it will get a similar response to the way you posted yesterday, labelling people idiots. :shrug:

Please see below for the 3 points you invited comment on:

sammyd56 said:
1. Do you mind if I ask why?
2. Now you've actually responded maybe we can have a sensible discussion.
3. what is the point?
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And now I really am out of here for the rest of the day... :wave:
 
Hepburn, I'm not going to waste any more of my time responding to your thinly-veiled personal attacks. I won't bother visiting Out of Focus again if this is what it's like.
 
I think one or two in this "discussion" need to just let it go and move on to another thread as this one is starting to break the rules.

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whats the matter with some of you folk? the woman is dead, have a little respect, and stop jumping on each other as its starting to wind me up.
 
TG. said:
I think it was ok magazine that published the jade goody 1981 to 2009 tribute with her last words before she had even died, which just shows how sick the media machine can be, but she courted it and new exactly what she was doing, i felt sorry for her neighbour who she publicly argued with a couple of weeks ago, he even said to her at the time "are you making sure the cameras are on you" as she ranted at him, i wonder how many of the jade goody fan club on here would have relished the thought of living next door to her ;)
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newyorkaddict said:
My comment is, she didn't look at the bigger picture, she could have used her status better, and helped herself and others by campaigning for Cancer Charities.
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She didn't look at the bigger picture? dear god what in her mind could possibly have been bigger than I'll be dead in a few weeks? I guarantee you in her situation I would not have looked at the bigger picture either, I doubt there are many folk in the world who would have. She barely had time to come to terms with it herself.
 
matty said:
whats the matter with some of you folk? the woman is dead, have a little respect, and stop jumping on each other as its starting to wind me up.
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Hear hear.
Love her, hate her, agree with what she did, or not....The fact is, she's dead. That calls for some respect.

A further point I want to make. While I agree with the disappointment and dismay at the drop in what 'celebrity' means these days, I offer you this.

As a direct result of Jade being 'all over the media', my sister who is in the high risk category for cervical cancer (IIRC), has finally plucked up the courage to go for a smear test after being too afraid to go.
Now, Jade's actions have potentially saved my sisters life.

So, I ask you this....now is it such a bad thing what Jade has done? If Jade hadn't been all over the papers and TV, then my sister won't have bothered getting checked.
OK, she's just one person in the grand scheme of things, but at how many potential lives saved does the drop in class of celebrity become acceptable?

OK, she could have used her remaining time to benefit charities, but she didn't. She used her time to benefit her children.
And you know what? If I was in the same position, then my children would be at the forefront of my thoughts and actions too. A parent's job is to provide for their children and help them become good members of society.
Jade knew that her childhood and lack of education resulted in her being ignorant, and specifically stated that she didn't want that for her children. I don't see anything wrong with that at all.

Bear in mind she knew she had cancer, and was literally given WEEKS to live. Not years...weeks. Maybe if she had longer she would have used it to benefit charities directly.
The fact remains the same. She didn't have long, and she used her 'fame' to bring herself right into the publics minds, both to raise awareness of this killer disease and to raise as much money for her children as possible.

I didn't care for her personally, or her celebrity 'status', but I did as a human being who did have thought and compassion for others. That surely deserves her some respect and dignity, especially in death.

PS, Abbreviations such as FFS, WTF, LMAO and PMSL are allowed :)
 
Respect is something that needs to be earned Marcel, not handed out willynilly.The lady in question did nothing to earn respect from me whilst she was alive, nor will she get any in her death.

I`m done on the subject now,perhaps i`m to cynical at times.
 
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That surely deserves her some respect and dignity, especially in death.
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Not really, respect as Mr Piles says, has to be earned and as for dignity, that's not a word I ever associated with Jade Goody and I don't see why her death, as sad as it is to see any young person, especially a mother loses their life, demands anything more...
 
It's good to see that there are some on here who won't allow themselves to be lead by the nose by Max Clifford and his merry band of guttersnipes.

As far as I can see the only truely worthwhile thing she has achieved in her life is to raise awareness of her condition, although I'm not sure that was her primary intention, or that of her publicist.

Ultimately I agree that respect should be earned. I will not respect someone because "the sun says".. Other than the above she has done nothing to earn my respect - quite the opposite in fact.

Those who suffer with dignity, without the financial aid of the press or the support of thousands of "fans" are the ones who truely deserve respect and compassion, along with those who care for them and make in a year what Ms. Goody probably got paid for half a page in OK.
 
Im in the Marcel camp with this one Jade has earned my respect because my wife has always put off going for the scrape and after seeing Jade in the news she finally goes next week.

Never been a Jade fan, but for what she has done for women and the bravery she has shown her sons isnt bad for a fick bird so she deserves my respect atleast.
 
I'm not saying she's a saint, nor is she a pinnacle of woman and deserves to have huge amounts of praise heaped upon her.

And I certainly don't think she should be given respect because the Sun says. I'm not saying she should be given respect for what she's done, I'm saying she should be respected as a fellow human being. Nothing to do with earning it.

I would just like to say, put yourself in her shoes. (regardless of how you got to this point...)
Just think. You've been given weeks to live....you want to get married to your partner while you can. A magazine says 'We'll give you a million quid to film you', and you know that money will be left to give your kids a better chance in life.

What do you say? "No, I'd rather not have a fuss. It's the right thing to do...." with typical British stoicism.
Balls to that, you grab it with both hands. I know I would.
 
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