Jade's gone...

[newyorkaddict]

What i'd like to know, why when i made comments along the same lines as Flash and Hepburn are making, that she made a lot of money from an illness that thousands suffer from every year, but they don't go to Hello or The Tabloids, why was i shouted down by so many people on here. When the Racism issue was brought up, i was "Clutching at last straws" or something to those words.

I don't like the fact that her kids have no mother, and i don't like the fact she died from something i would not wish on my worst enemy. What i do dislike is the media and press attention she craved from the first minute in the BB house. She made her name by being an ASW (google it). Then when she was diagnosed with cancer, instead of using her fame for the good of causes which aid the cure of this disease eg. McMillan Nurses etc. she used her fame to get MONEY. This is what gauls people the most, a huge ammount of people have had to go through the trauma associated with canecr, but they don't all run to the nearest magazine and shout it from the rooftops.

 

[Dom_Cabarete]

i agree with what you say but in the same light, if you were faced with the same situation and you found a way to make lots of money to secure you kids future id imagine you would also use.

 

[Marc]

Oh FFS! How people can so often miss the point is beyond me. A young woman has died and people can';t wait to slag her of. The Shilpa Shetty incident was down to ignorance, nothing else, brought about by her upbringing. I feel sad when anyone dies, they don't have to be a surgeon or have won the Nobel Peace Prize!

 

[Marc]

call what misguided fame? Fab's 365 or Jade Goody?

And what was the point of that? :shrug:

 

[hepburn]

What i'd like to know, why when i made comments along the same lines as Flash and Hepburn are making, that she made a lot of money from an illness that thousands suffer from every year, but they don't go to Hello or The Tabloids, why was i shouted down by so many people on here. When the Racism issue was brought up, i was "Clutching at last straws" or something to those words.

We're a fickle lot at TP. I recall a thread about Slumdog Millionnaire where a quite a few people said it was great and a smaller number said it wasn't. I added my voice to the negatives and got jumped on with a personal attack by the OP. Why did he choose me? God knows. Why didn't he just attack the negative collective? God knows...

 

[Flash In The Pan]

when she was diagnosed with cancer, instead of using her fame for the good of causes which aid the cure of this disease eg. McMillan Nurses etc. she used her fame to get MONEY.

 

[Dom_Cabarete]

must be the avatar

 

[Marc]

Then when she was diagnosed with cancer, instead of using her fame for the good of causes which aid the cure of this disease eg. McMillan Nurses etc. she used her fame to get MONEY.

Her choice. Everyone famous uses their fame to make money, that is its purpose.

 

[Flash In The Pan]

Oh FFS! How people can so often miss the point is beyond me. A young woman has died and people can';t wait to slag her of. The Shilpa Shetty incident was down to ignorance, nothing else, brought about by her upbringing. I feel sad when anyone dies, they don't have to be a surgeon or have won the Nobel Peace Prize!

:bang:

 

[Dom_Cabarete]

Her choice. Everyone famous uses their fame to make money, that is its purpose.

True but there was a time were you had to be good at something to become famous, now you just need to get through the reality TV interview and act an idiot infront of the cameras.

I personally feel sorry for her family and friends as with anyone who looses someone at such a young age. But this discussion has gone beyond her death and is venturing into how people with no real talent are becoming famous

 

[hepburn]

And what was the point of that? :shrug:

Dom didn't quote what he was commenting on. It could have been either of you,or something completely different marc. That was the point.

BTW, would you mind not using WTF and FFS and such like please? You've used both this morning. We have a swear filter and evading the filter is against the :rules:. I always took you to be articulate and intelligent enough to make your point without swearing.

 

[sammyd56]

Merely questioned...or called them idiots ? Fairly easy to work that out...



I don't agree with Hepburn on much, but he's spot on with this his opinions on this one.

Defiance... I'm sorry if I caused any offence, I shouldn't have phrased my opinion in that way, but it's a very personal subject for me, and hepburn wound me up with his failure to understand that I wasn't attacking his opinion. It's a shame that he is more interested in criticising people with his 'superior-than-thou' attitude than actually dealing with the points that are raised.

The point I was trying to make, which has been lost amongst the arguing, was:

Whatever you think of Jade, I think we should have some respect at a sensitive time like this. Does no-one agree with me?

 

[dod]

For someone whose first post was "Jade who", you sure seem to know a lot about her.

A picture is worth a thousand words... Call me cynical but the article you link to goes on about how she made the donation anonymously yet used it in her auto biography in 2008 :shrug: And the timing... Would that have been just after her public profile took a dive following the racial incident with indian actress shilpa shetty (sp?) in BB?

Since getting involved in this thread i've tried to keep an open mind and have spent a bit of time researching her. I'll grant you she has tried to do some good but I can't help thinking it's only been done if she could benefit too in some way. What i really can't get figured is whether she used the press or the press used her. I suspect she was a fast learner and after being used by them she turned the tables and used them in her final months.

Either way, she still made for uncomfortable viewing and highlighted an aspect of society many of us either didn't know existed or perhaps would prefer didn't exist (i suspect).

Charity donations: who cares why they were made, the children benefitted.

Re your second point I think it's a bit of both. She fed off the press and they fed from her.

Finally, I agree, there were times she was uncomfortable viewing. Having said that I still can't find it in me to either hate her or be jealous of her, after all, she's dead. Like it or not she did give millions of people "entertainment", maybe even inspiration in a strange sort of way. All I'm meaning by that is that she managed to find a way out of the situation she was born into. I'm not saying it was the right way or the wrong way, it was just her way.

The irony of this post is , believe it or not, I'm about as far from being liberal as it gets

 

[newyorkaddict]

must be the avatar

 

[Flash In The Pan]

Clicky

 

[Flash In The Pan]

In true "celebrity" form is anyone taking bets on her making a comeback?

 

[Dom_Cabarete]

:|

 

[newyorkaddict]

In true "celebrity" form is anyone taking bets on her making a comeback?

It worked for thousands of others - Kurt Cobain, Notorious BIG, Jimmy Hendrix, Mamma Cass (sic). They were or are more famous since their deaths than when they were alive, except maybe Hendrix. Does this mean we are going to get Jade T-Shirt's, Poster's, Book's and Film's about her life:shrug:

 

[fracster]

Her choice. Everyone famous uses their fame to make money, that is its purpose.

Indeed,but some famous people use thier fame to get monies for worthy causes rather than line thier own pockets.

Jade was marketed very well by people who,no doubt,made vast amounts of money from that.What I find so odious about the whole "career" of this young lady is that how we,as a nation,funded her rise to fame.Some of the people of this once fine nation,actually found her interesting enough to enable her to sell her miserable existance to papers and magazines.Only in this country could somebody find fame and fortune through being galatically thick,obnoxious, racist and downright repugnant.

 

[fracster]

Does this mean we are going to get Jade T-Shirt's, Poster's, Book's and Film's about her life:shrug:

I hope not,but on current form,I would say that some morons would buy such items.

 

[dod]

True but there was a time were you had to be good at something to become famous, now you just need to get through the reality TV interview and act an idiot infront of the cameras.

That's a whole different argument of course. Actors, and sportsmen (including footballers) are the two groups who, for me, generally contribute very little to society, milk the press and get well rewarded for it.

 

[dod]

I hope not,but on current form,I would say that some morons would buy such items.

There was mention on the new last night about a film apparently :shrug:

 

[Flash In The Pan]

It worked for thousands of others - Kurt Cobain, Notorious BIG, Jimmy Hendrix, Mamma Cass (sic). They were or are more famous since their deaths than when they were alive, except maybe Hendrix. Does this mean we are going to get Jade T-Shirt's, Poster's, Book's and Film's about her life:shrug:

It's already
started

 

[fracster]

There was mention on the new last night about a film apparently :shrug:

Please,please,please,please,please..........No!

 

[dod]

.Only in this country could somebody find fame and fortune through being galatically thick,obnoxious, racist and downright repugnant.

Get off the fence

 

[hepburn]

Defiance... I'm sorry if I caused any offence, I shouldn't have phrased my opinion in that way, but it's a very personal subject for me, and hepburn wound me up with his failure to understand that I wasn't attacking his opinion.

I didn't fail to understand you at all Sam. I read your posts and saw you belittling people, myself included, when their posts didn't meet your approval. Let's not re-open an argument, i'm just explaining what I read and what i suspect Defiance read too, given his support of me.

It's a shame that he is more interested in criticising people with his 'superior-than-thou' attitude than actually dealing with the points that are raised.

If only that were true... It's not, and it's only your opinion after all. If I wanted to present a "superior than thou" attitude i could have quite easily used some of your recent postings to completely ridicule you. I didn't, and not just just because the rules state no personal attacks.

The point I was trying to make, which has been lost amongst the arguing, was:

Whatever you think of Jade, I think we should have some respect at a sensitive time like this. Does no-one agree with me?

Your point wasn't lost on me. And my answer is no, i don't agree with you. Why? Because we are talking about a woman with no self respect and apparently none or little respect for other people. For me that precludes her from expecting any respect from me. Just my opinion. I know others will disagree.

 

[hepburn]

For someone whose first post was "Jade who", you sure seem to know a lot about her.

How can you write that and then quote me in the same post where I said as a result of this thread I have researched her a bit? :bang::bang::bang:

 

[Flash In The Pan]

Indeed,but some famous people use thier fame to get monies for worthy causes rather than line thier own pockets.

Jade was marketed very well by people who,no doubt,made vast amounts of money from that.What I find so odious about the whole "career" of this young lady is that how we,as a nation,funded her rise to fame.Some of the people of this once fine nation,actually found her interesting enough to enable her to sell her miserable existance to papers and magazines.Only in this country could somebody find fame and fortune through being galatically thick,obnoxious, racist and downright repugnant.

 

[hepburn]

I hope not,but on current form,I would say that some morons would buy such items.

Wonder if that car reg plate has sold yet?

 

[Steep]

Then when she was diagnosed with cancer, instead of using her fame for the good of causes which aid the cure of this disease eg. McMillan Nurses etc. she used her fame to get MONEY. This is what gauls people the most, a huge ammount of people have had to go through the trauma associated with canecr, but they don't all run to the nearest magazine and shout it from the rooftops.

She used her fame to get money FOR HER CHILDREN, it wasn't going to be any good to her was it? If she'd had a couple of years I'm quite sure she would have lent her support to cancer charities but she had a few short months. I know from experience that everything outside of the immediate family just fades to insignificance when that judgement comes down. Unless you've been through it you just can't imagine what a hammer blow that is, especially when diagnosed so late, and how quickly the disease saps your strength and will. My father lasted two weeks after he was diagnosed, my mother lasted three months.
In that situation your focus on 'life' narrows down to the bare essentials (like how much it hurts to get up to go to the toilet and the indignity of having to get a nurse or family member to wipe your backside because you just can't do it yourself) and then the worry about those you are leaving behind and how no matter how hard you have tried in your life it wasn't enough, you failed, they aren't safe, they aren't secure.

All of you for gods sake give the poor dead woman a ******* break!

 

[fracster]

Wonder if that car reg plate has sold yet?

The seller looked a trustworthy character .........However,appearances can be deceptive and i`m sure he is a fine and honest young man who will,of course,donate half the monies raised to Jades youngsters.

 

[fracster]

Get off the fence

My bottom is splinter free....

 

[Claymore]

Has someone died? just woke ah well back to sleep zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

 

[hepburn]

The seller looked a trustworthy character .........However,appearances can be deceptive and i`m sure he is a fine and honest young man who will,of course,donate half the monies raised to Jades youngsters.

I think at least one potential buyer asked about writing 2 cheques, one to the kids direct...

My bottom is splinter free....

Isn't it always?

 

[sammyd56]

If the point wasn't lost on you, you completely ignored it until now. Do you mind if I ask why?

Now you've actually responded maybe we can have a sensible discussion.

I guess our concept of morality is just different, even if I hated Jade with a passion I would refrain from saying that now. In my opinion, as she is no longer with us, having respect for her family and friends is the most important thing. Much more important than criticising her. She's dead for Christ's sake - what is the point?

 

[Marc]

Dom didn't quote what he was commenting on. It could have been either of you,or something completely different marc. That was the point.

BTW, would you mind not using WTF and FFS and such like please? You've used both this morning. We have a swear filter and evading the filter is against the :rules:. I always took you to be articulate and intelligent enough to make your point without swearing.

Those are accepted acronyms along with ones like PMSL, I do not believe they break any rules.

 

[dod]

How can you write that and then quote me in the same post where I said as a result of this thread I have researched her a bit? :bang::bang::bang:

Because I don't believe your views all originate from research :shrug: I could be wrong but that's just how it looks.

On the contrary, for me it's not about criticising at all. I just didn't have the time of day for her or the attached publicity machine whilst she was alive. To have the time of day for her in death would be hypocritical of me. Why should her death compel me to change my opinion? It shouldn't, and nor does my stance warrant have mud slung at me or people like me (not that it was in this instance).

And wasn't it her lack of brain power and big mouth which caused that racially motivated bullying incident a year or so back?

Either way, she still made for uncomfortable viewing and highlighted an aspect of society many of us either didn't know existed or perhaps would prefer didn't exist (i suspect).

 

[Dom_Cabarete]

does this thread need to still be around if people are arguing at each other and not really talking about Jade Goody anymore?

 

[fracster]

I think it is a reasonable discussion on the whole.

 

[hepburn]

If the point wasn't lost on you, you completely ignored it until now. Do you mind if I ask why?

I got sidetracked rebuffing someone's put down's

Now you've actually responded maybe we can have a sensible discussion.

sure. let's go for it.

I guess our concept of morality is just different, even if I hated Jade with a passion I would refrain from saying that now. In my opinion, as she is no longer with us, having respect for her family and friends is the most important thing. Much more important than criticising her. She's dead for Christ's sake - what is the point?

I think my opinion and treatment of her stems from the way she and her family have treated others. From what i've learnt all of her family, including her most recent addition, have a somewhat dubious and unpalettable background ranging from drugs to crime to multiple assault.

As to what is the point. It's simply that she is being hailed as something of a role model and for many she is far from that. Unless the other voices are heard then she will be remembered with rose tinted specs. Does she deserve that? Does she fit into the princess di category as some have speculated she ought to?

For me it's about lowering the standards. The more we lower them the nastier society seems to get. If we accept jade Goody as currently portrayed I fear the standards have been set too low. And then what is to follow?

And that is my input for now as I have to get ready for medical class now. So until tonight, please everyone, behave