Jade's gone...

Flash In The Pan said:
I don't have any objection to what she did, what turns my stomach are all the sycophants who have been on the tv saying what a wonderful human being she was and how she was an inspiration to youngsters everywhere.

Let's get something clear, whilst I wouldn't wish what happened to her on anyone, whilst she was alive she had no redeeming qualities whatsoever.

If anything she symbolized just how low the level of "celebrity" has fallen in this country.
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Your finest post ever Flashy..............:thumbs:

Hepburns are pretty good as well.
 
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sammyd56 said:
Marcel, as I said before you posted I'm done with it now. It sounded patronising to me because I never criticised anyone's opinion, but merely questioned whether it is really an appropriate time to air it. I hope that's clear now.

Peace. :)
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Merely questioned...or called them idiots ? Fairly easy to work that out...

sammyd56 said:
The only thing that makes me sick about this is the reaction of the idiots who completely miss the fact that celebrities are real people and have no qualms about criticising the recently deceased after a premature death.
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I don't agree with Hepburn on much, but he's spot on with this his opinions on this one.
 
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On the bright side at least Jack Tweed got to reuse those flowers he bought her on Valentines' Day....
 
come on guys the lass has just died for christ sake lets not forget she had a mum n dad like the rest of us ....how would you feel if it was one of your family reading this about one of your loved ones ....its all available on google:thumbsdown:
 
Dangermouse1964 said:
come on guys the lass has just died for christ sake lets not forget she had a mum n dad like the rest of us ....how would you feel if it was one of your family reading this about one of your loved ones ....its all available on google:thumbsdown:
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Live by the sword.....:shrug:
 
and on mothers day, her media life is one thing but she was still a person
 
yamahapaul said:
She was no angel and her talent was questionable for sure, but nobody deserves an ending like that and on mothers day too... R.I.P. Jade
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Talent for what? The only reason that this is getting discussed at all is that she made a name for herself for being an example of just how low our society has sunk in recent years. There's no talent, questionable or otherwise involved, just raw greed and the willingness to do anything at all, no matter how debase, for fame and fortune.
 
Flash In The Pan said:
Talent for what? The only reason that this is getting discussed at all is that she made a name for herself for being an example of just how low our society has sunk in recent years. There's no talent, questionable or otherwise involved, just raw greed and the willingness to do anything at all, no matter how debase, for fame and fortune.
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I thought you were describing a rather well known hippy businessman there rather than a young woman who saw an opportunity to improve her life and that of her family.

Regardless of what we think of her she was NOT stupid. She might have been a bit dippy, naive, had an annoying laugh etc but she was a product of this society, the generic you and me included. An opportunity was put in front of her and she was bright enough to take it and employ others to help her exploit it. As far as I can tell she hurt no-one in her efforts to improve her life, not a bad epitaph to be honest.

Would I be able to do what she did? I don't think I'd have the bottle to live my life in the environment she chose. I'm certainly not going to criticise her for doing what she did and if I'm honest I have a sneaking admiration for her entrepreneurialism. Whether or not I like "Jade the brand" is irrelevant.

RIP Jade, despite your detractors I don't think you deserve the criticism.
 
maybe a poll is needed? something along the lines of...

angel and rip or good riddance to bad rubbish?
 
fabs said:
WTF does that mean!!!
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It means, if you choose to live your life seeking public approbation, then you must expect to have your detractors too, or are you suggesting that the manner of her death somehow makes her a "better" person and immune from criticism?
 
dod said:
I thought you were describing a rather well known hippy businessman there rather than a young woman who saw an opportunity to improve her life and that of her family.

Regardless of what we think of her she was NOT stupid. She might have been a bit dippy, naive, had an annoying laugh etc but she was a product of this society, the generic you and me included.
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You make her sound as if she did something noble, rather than prostituting herself on national television.

I would beg to differ about her being "stupid", she was controlled by the likes of the odious Max Clifford and sold as a commodity, to be derided, mocked, loved, adored, or pitied as and when it suited.

I stand by what I said. Her legacy is a generation that sees celebrity for the sake of celebrity as a valid career path,with no need for education or indeed, morals .

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Flash In The Pan said:
It means, if you choose to live your life seeking public approbation, then you must expect to have your detractors too, or are you suggesting that the manner of her death somehow makes her a "better" person and immune from criticism?
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What is approbation? :thinking:

Can you name me one thing that she has done wrong in order to be slagged off with such vitriole when she died? There are paedophiles out there who get more respect than she did.
 
Flash In The Pan said:
You make her sound as if she did something noble, rather than prostituting herself on national television.
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I don't see anything in Dod's post that says that. :thinking:

Flash In The Pan said:
I would beg to differ about her being "stupid", she was controlled by the likes of the odious Max Clifford and sold as a commodity, to be derided, mocked, loved, adored, or pitied as and when it suited.

I stand by what I said.
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So you admit she was a victim then. Yet you continue to slag her off. :shrug:
 
fabs said:
What is approbation? :thinking:
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Approbation and approval have the same general meaning, assenting to or declaring as good, sanction, commendation; but approbation is stronger and more positive. "We may be anxious for the approbation of our friends; but we should be still more anxious for the approval of our own consciences." "He who is desirous to obtain universal approbation will learn a good lesson from the fable of the old man and his ass."

A man and his son were leading their ass to market. A girl, seeing them, cried, "Why walk when you can
ride?" On hearing this, the man set his son upon the ass.
Going further, they heard an old man say, "Shame for the young to ride while old people walk!" Thereupon
the man made his son get down and rode himself.
Presently they met some women who cried, "Look at the poor tired son and lazy father!" Hearing this, the
man took his son up beside him and so they rode into the town.
There a young man called to them, "Two men on one beast! It seems to me you are more fit to carry the
ass than he is to carry you."
Then they got down, tied the beast's legs to a pole, and carried him thus till they came to a bridge. As they
went, the children shouted so loudly that the ass took fright--kicked his legs free, and jumped over the bridge
into the river.
Thus having lost his ass, the man went home, crying, "Try to please everybody and you will please nobody,
not even yourself !"
 
fabs said:
I don't see anything in Dod's post that says that. :thinking:
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dod said:
a young woman who saw an opportunity to improve her life and that of her family.
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So you admit she was a victim then. Yet you continue to slag her off. :shrug:
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Victim? Hardly, unless she was forced to apply to be on BB and forced to behave in the way she did, especially if she was as "bright" as dod opines...
 
Flash, you have NOT yet named anything that she did that's so wrong to make her deserve the vitriole she received. She applied to go on Big Brother so she deserves to be slagged off when she dies? She behaved in a way not meeting with your approval so she deserves to be slagged off when she dies?

Yes she was a victim of the media and it's manipulators. You keep on about how unintelligent she was so how could she be guilty of the manipulation she is accused of?

This all sounds to me like a case of "I didn't like her so why should I care if she's dead". Childish bitterness at best! :thumbsdown:
 
I wouldn't have used the word noble but I see where you're coming from. I'm not even saying she was particularly bright, just that she wasn't totally stupid. :) It may well have been the money which motivated her, perhaps even blinded her but until we all work for nothing I can't give her too much grief for that.

Anyway, to heap all the blame onto her is patently unfair, she didn't create the society we live in, we all did.

I think the picture you choose is pretty cynical to be honest. How many of us haven't done something when drunk we regret later. But, I'll call your picture and raise you this charity donation in 2007, equally cynical ;)

Here
 
fabs said:
You keep on about how unintelligent she was so how could she be guilty of the manipulation she is accused of?
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People can be quite uneducated yet still street wise Marc. And wasn't it her lack of brain power and big mouth which caused that racially motivated bullying incident a year or so back? That certainly caused some harm if I recall correctly. It certainly had Gordon Brown scurrying around apologising on her behalf to India, no doubt cursing the woman then. And then like a true politician he jumps on the bandwagon in her passing, saying what a wonderful person she was... :puke: (at gordon)
 
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fabs said:
Flash, you have NOT yet named anything that she did that's so wrong to make her deserve the vitriole she received. She applied to go on Big Brother so she deserves to be slagged off when she dies? She behaved in a way not meeting with your approval so she deserves to be slagged off when she dies?
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The whole Shilpa Shetty thing, perhaps? Surely that's worth a healthy dose of vitriole (sic)?

Yes she was a victim of the media and it's manipulators. You keep on about how unintelligent she was so how could she be guilty of the manipulation she is accused of?
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where did I say she was guilty of being a manipulator? If anything I'd say what she was guilty of being loud and totally repugnant.

This all sounds to me like a case of "I didn't like her so why should I care if she's dead". Childish bitterness at best! :thumbsdown:
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Childish bitterness? Hardly, but you're right about one thing, why should I care that she's dead, it's not as if the world has lost a renowned surgeon or a even a talented musician, merely a nobody who made a career out of being loud and obnoxious on television. If I've missed some point where she did something that contributed to the general good, then please feel free to educate me....
 
lets call it misguided fame...
 
dod said:
But, I'll call your picture and raise you this charity donation in 2007, equally cynical ;)
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A picture is worth a thousand words... Call me cynical but the article you link to goes on about how she made the donation anonymously yet used it in her auto biography in 2008 :shrug: And the timing... Would that have been just after her public profile took a dive following the racial incident with indian actress shilpa shetty (sp?) in BB? :suspect:

Since getting involved in this thread i've tried to keep an open mind and have spent a bit of time researching her. I'll grant you she has tried to do some good but I can't help thinking it's only been done if she could benefit too in some way. What i really can't get figured is whether she used the press or the press used her. I suspect she was a fast learner and after being used by them she turned the tables and used them in her final months.

Either way, she still made for uncomfortable viewing and highlighted an aspect of society many of us either didn't know existed or perhaps would prefer didn't exist (i suspect).

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Anyway, to heap all the blame onto her is patently unfair, she didn't create the society we live in, we all did.
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No, the government did. We should all blame tony and gordon (and Maggie and Paddy, just to be politically fair) :D
 
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