Jade and cancer

[Jo]

No, maybe try reading the rest of that paragraph :shrug:

 

[CaptainPenguin]

what i dont understand is why there are so many people (celebs mainly) promoting Breast Cancer Awareness.
Maybe its the cynic in me but I think they promote it because its trendy.
There cant be many people in this country that have never heard of Breast Cancer and dont know that you need to check them out!
Time to promote awareness of something different IMHO.. Actually I'm pretty fed up with celebrities promoting awareness of anything.. Its just an easy way to get publicity.

And whilst I'm being cynical, whatever happened to sponsoring people to do something hard? In London we often have charity walks where you are expected to sponsor someone to walk 6km!!! I walk more than that every other day in my job.

Rock on Badger i thought I was the only cynic on here

 

[MikeeB]

I watched a programme on Living one night this last week on her wedding...her voice still grates me so much

 

[Claymore]

I had "C" approx 7yrs ago (can't even say the word now) and luckily i'm still here, Its a terrible illness and i know it needs more publicity but personally i took up photography to take my mind off it and all the recent press going on about only days left just starts me worrying in case it returns.
Now i can't get away from it even on Photography forums etc, any chance of a few happy thoughts for a change? sorry for sounding miserable.
On a brighter note had 2 hares chasing round our land today! always cheers me up
Cheerio
Brian

 

[knocker]

i think most people find the constant reporting of her plight every day distastful, i certainly do. the images of her in her bed in the sunday papers this morning all but filled the paper and did nothing to promote cancer charities or anything else for that matter, i would not wish this nasty disease on anybody but the press hovering like vultures and jade allowing it for money i feel is an indication of what this crappy world has become

 

[trapper501]

I think when most people talk about this and complain about the publicity what they are really saying is they would rather she died quietly and in private because they don't want to be reminded of their own mortality.

I really don't have a problem with what she has done, it has opened up the discussion and made quite a lot of young women go for smear tests and so they should.

I can't understand the issue with it, a little bit of discomfort just to give you the opportunity to catch a potential killer before it takes hold.

The sooner we stop pretending that death and cancer are things that happen to other people the more well adjusted we will all become and more able to deal with things life throws at us more effectively.

Good for her, I wish her The most comfortable exit she can manage in any style she wants.

 

[nilagin]

i think most people find the constant reporting of her plight every day distastful, i certainly do. the images of her in her bed in the sunday papers this morning all but filled the paper and did nothing to promote cancer charities or anything else for that matter, i would not wish this nasty disease on anybody but the press hovering like vultures and jade allowing it for money i feel is an indication of what this crappy world has become

That and the money etc. her promoters and advisers will be earning out of this.

 

[glitch]

I think when most people talk about this and complain about the publicity what they are really saying is they would rather she died quietly and in private because they don't want to be reminded of their own mortality.

I think you'll find it's as simple as 'most people' not wanting to see her mug splashed across the media on a daily basis.

Wendy Richards recently died from cancer and you barely heard a peep out of her, the poor thing. In fact, apart from her death, I hardly remember a single piece of coverage about her 'battle' or 'untimely demise'.

But then again she wasn't being represented by Max Clifford, so that's hardly surprising.

 

[trapper501]

I think you'll find it's as simple as 'most people' not wanting to see her mug splashed across the media on a daily basis.

Wendy Richards recently died from cancer and you barely heard a peep out of her, the poor thing. In fact, apart from her death, I hardly remember a single piece of coverage about her 'battle' or 'untimely demise'.

But then again she wasn't being represented by Max Clifford, so that's hardly surprising.

Wendy Richards did what she wanted, and nobody should criticise her for that.

However she didn't manage to increase testing by 20%, which Jade has done, despite criticism.

I don't buy newspapers very often, but the ones I have bought have not had pictures of Jade. The news I watch on TV and the radio I listen to barely mention her either.

Perhaps you should just be a bit more selective in your choice of reading.

 

[Kev M]

Something tells me that this thread is unfortunately going to go the same way as the last one.

 

[Studio16]

i dont see why it should be locked infact i dont see why ANY thread should be locked. people have different opinions and threads sometimes run off topic but thats because we are all different and all have different opinions its a shame when those in charge decide when a thread can be closed and for their reasons.

Still like ive said before their ball their game and THEY will let us know that

 

[Kev M]

The reason isn't for the differences in opinion it's the way in which those opinions are put across.

 

[Studio16]

Kev cant help but think everything you say your shouting at me its that avatar

 

[glitch]

Wendy Richards did what she wanted, and nobody should criticise her for that.

Unless I've missed something, nobody is. Or were you about to?

However she didn't manage to increase testing by 20%, which Jade has done, despite criticism.

Care to share your source on that one?

And by source, I don't mean a newspaper article. I'm talking about a medical journal or published medical report.

I don't buy newspapers very often, but the ones I have bought have not had pictures of Jade. The news I watch on TV and the radio I listen to barely mention her either.

Perhaps you should just be a bit more selective in your choice of reading.

Did I say I had a problem with the coverage? Quite frankly, I couldn't care less about the woman.

I just had a problem with your sweeping statement about people being 'reminded of their own mortality' when it's more a case of being sick and tired of having her problems rammed down their throats when they've got enough on their own plates.

 

[trapper501]

Unless I've missed something, nobody is. Or were you about to?

Care to share your source on that one?

And by source, I don't mean a newspaper article. I'm talking about a medical journal or published medical report.

I doubt such a report will be available yet, we shall have to await a study some time in the future.

However this from Cancer Research backs up the numerous newspaper reports regarding the increase in enquiries regarding testing.

http://scienceblog.cancerresearchuk.org/2009/02/05/jade-goody-and-cervical-screening/

Did I say I had a problem with the coverage? Quite frankly, I couldn't care less about the woman.

you seem more than a little agitated about the whole thing.

I just had a problem with your sweeping statement about people being 'reminded of their own mortality' when it's more a case of being sick and tired of having her problems rammed down their throats when they've got enough on their own plates.

oh the irony.

 

[Splog]

Sorry if this is distasteful and I don't mean it to be so! But I have a strong feeling that Jade Goody doesnt realise that her life is a one time event and that when she dies it's all over I honestly feel that she thinks she is in some sort of TV drama that she can switch off whenever she wants and let everything go back to how it was!.. Very sad I hope she discovers reality and those around her stop taking advantage :thumbsdown:

 

[glitch]

I doubt such a report will be available yet, we shall have to await a study some time in the future.

And you'll be waiting a long time because nobody is doing such a study.

And even if someone decided that they wanted to start a study tomorrow, they wouldn't be taken seriously. You don't start your research when you already know the answer you are looking for. It doesn't work like that.

The best you can hope for is someone to invent a time machine specifically for the purpose of going back and asking all the women that had a smear test why they visited between the dates we're interested in.

Because they sure as hell weren't asked about Jade Goody when they did.

However this from Cancer Research backs up the numerous newspaper reports regarding the increase in enquiries regarding testing.

No it doesn't. It's pure speculation, just like the newspaper reports.

Firstly, none of the statistics on that page are backed up with any meaningful evidence. We're told that page views have jumped from 2-3,000 up to 32,000 but there's no information about where those views have come from, how long they stayed on the pages, etc. We don't even know if the figures are real as we're not shown the raw data for ourselves. It's simply cherry-picking figures to fit around a newsworthy story.

And as for backing up the 'numerous newspaper reports' if you take the time to read the stories and the quotes, you'll see there is no meaningful evidence to support those claims. You could quite easily attribute the increase in screenings and enquiries to any eventuality that you care to mention, especially when nobody has been testing or monitoring for that particular attribute.

All the clinics that were interviewed for these 'percentage rise stories' were in the midst of a concerted effort to increase the number of women attending screenings via various methods that weren't even mentioned in the articles. Not to mention the fact that one of the clinics involved had recently expanded its testing facility which accounted for a large percentage of the increase in tests being processed as they had increased the amount of tests they could process.

You can't prove that Jade Goody wasn't responsible for this supposed '20%' increase, but seeing as nobody was testing for that variable you can't say she was either. What you can say is that the figures reported were part of a gradual increase year-on-year and possibly, although not conclusively, due to a campaign targeting young women run in conjunction with GPs, specialist clinics, gynaecologists and via various media sources included direct mail campaigns and targeted marketing.

you seem more than a little agitated about the whole thing.

I get agitated when people quote meaningless statistics and press articles, not about some 'celebrity' who is about to die.

 

[trapper501]

I get agitated when people quote meaningless statistics and press articles, not about some 'celebrity' who is about to die.

You just seem to get agitated period.

As you said, you can't prove that she isn't having the effect that has been stated, you just feel that sweeping generalisations are only acceptable when you make them yourself.

 

[staffitaxi]

I would suspect that Jade has encouraged a lot of young women and slightly older ones to go for a smear test and am also sure that she has got them talking about it a lot more.

I'm happy to admit to being one of those encouraged to go, I needed a hell of a lot of encouragment actually as I had a scare myself last year where I had some "dodgy" cells removed.

This is my first test since then as I have been putting it off, yeah stupid I know but I just couldn't face it, I find the whole experience of the test hard to cope with and I will admit to burying my head in the sand in the hope it will all go away.

It doesn't embarass me to say that if it wasn't for Jade my head would probably still be buried and the reminder letters would still be going on the fire.

 

[jolsterj]

I know of two people in their 30's that have never had a smear test but now they have and that is because of Jade.

So if I know two others must know people, so if the 20% has been under or over estimated if one person id helped durely thats good.