It is a photography task on "The Apprentice" tomorrow

dcash29 said:
i think we should remember that they are not into photography like we are.

I know very good managers which lack certain skills but excel in their field
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i agree totally, but basic computer skills to find files i would have thought would be quite high on the skills list, especially in this day and age
 
dcash29 said:
i think we should remember that they are not into photography like we are.

I know very good managers which lack certain skills but excel in their field
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then they should be grown up enough to admit to their failings instead of blaming and arguing with each other - they are just like little children! I know it's a competition and I suppose it makes good telly!
 
dellipher said:
So....question. why do you think they failed?
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because they were useless. The photos were alright, nothing special but they were ok... They failed in their management & organisation skills.

There's a saying that goes

It ain't sold until it's paid for
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Rings true ;)
 
well that is the first episode of the apprentice i have ever watched,
£15.99 for a print on standard A4 paper, :eek: and she couldnt even burn a cd!!!!

was funny watching it ***.
 
Not to offend anyone but I think it is extremely unfair to say simon was the right one to go. EXTREMELY. Yes he made a complete fool of himself getting to excited, saying he knows about photography (here in lies why i think people on here would become biased against him) BUT how can you manage two people who refuse to be managed and are playing a game instead of playing as a team????????? He couldn't fire them and so he was in no mans land. You wouldn't hire someone who is blatantly opposing your every effort.

Simple, Claire and Alex should have gone. In that order. I'm seriously considering not watching this again, it is just a circus.
 
I have a 400D, I also have had 3 files numbered IMG_0100 CR2 in different folders. It should make a new folder every 10,000 pix but it makes a new folder if set on auto reset. I presume they had it set to that.
 
It's continued on BBC2
 
dellipher said:
IT is just a game - but regardless of whether or not your team work as a team - Simon couldnt cope with the pressure.
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Rubbish. If you were a manager and your staff refused to do their job... You would replace them. He couldn't. Suggest to me how he should have "made them" stop playing a game and start trying to make the business work.
 
:agree: totally, I do not think simon should have gone, A little enthusiastic may be but the other two should have had their heads banged together. I knoe I would hav done if they were my kids acting like that.
 
Well a fake Beckham on plain paper @ £15.99 a shot..... PRICELESS :lol:
 
Did anybody observe the cameras using, oh yeah canon ! :p

It cracked me, especially that guy '' ive got a hidden talent for photography'' yeah...
 
I knew there would be a lengthy thread developing! :p

This was a complete joke....and not just because I can use a camera (perhaps not very well ;)) but I mean as has been said, who DOESN'T know how to burn a CD that works in business??

Shame Simon got the the sack really...I think he is the only one from a 'different' background and it would have been nice to see him go on.....but thats business I guess!!
 
db247 said:
Rubbish. If you were a manager and you're staff refused to do their job... You would replace them. He couldn't. Suggest to me how he should have "made them" stop playing a game and start trying to make the business work.
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I am a manager.

But we all know its a game.
They know that what they're doing is basically a series of interviews to get the position that is being applied for.
And most people will back-bite and stab people in the back.

However - they need to show that they are a team player. But some people just get better on with the job.

If I delegate a job to someone I expect them to do it to their best ability - if they dont - they'll be asked to do it again [which they cannot] or given assistance to get the best out of their job.

I know what its like for a team to turn against me - like claire and alex did to Simon.
However - Its a case of communication problem - and if he didnt want the hassle - then he shouldnt have put her as his second in charge.
 
dellipher said:
I am a manager.

But we all know its a game.
They know that what they're doing is basically a series of interviews to get the position that is being applied for.
And most people will back-bite and stab people in the back.

However - they need to show that they are a team player. But some people just get better on with the job.

If I delegate a job to someone I expect them to do it to their best ability - if they dont - they'll be asked to do it again [which they cannot] or given assistance to get the best out of their job.

I know what its like for a team to turn against me - like claire and alex did to Simon.
However - Its a case of communication problem - and if he didnt want the hassle - then he shouldnt have put her as his second in charge.
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What should he have done once they proved unworkable?
 
db247 said:
What should he have done once they proved unworkable?
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tbh - its all views....and its all in the name of showbusiness, everyone will be playing a game so whats it due to getting into an lengthy debate with it?

I dont normally watch apprecentice so its not like I know the entirety of the "game" and it is just my opinion...


If it happened in my team as "project 2nd in charge" and it was more than a one day thing - they'd get demoted.
 
dellipher said:
tbh - its all views....and its all in the name of showbusiness, everyone will be playing a game so whats it due to getting into an lengthy debate with it?

I dont normally watch apprecentice so its not like I know the entirety of the "game" and it is just my opinion...


If it happened in my team as "project 2nd in charge" and it was more than a one day thing - they'd get demoted.
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I'm asking your opinion as a manager, debate is a strong word as I have no vested interest in this just curious in how people honestly arrive at their opinion. My original "request/interest" was: Suggest to me how he should have "made them" stop playing a game and start trying to make the business work. So within the scale of the game, which the apprentice ultimately proves to be, ie within what he had to play with timewise and staffwise, what would your experience recommend?

*all said in a friendly manner :)
 
db247 said:
I'm asking your opinion as a manager, debate is a strong word as I have no vested interest in this just curious in how people honestly arrive at their opinion. My original "request/interest" was: Suggest to me how he should have "made them" stop playing a game and start trying to make the business work. So within the scale of the game, which the apprentice ultimately proves to be, ie within what he had to play with timewise and staffwise, what would your experience recommend?

*all said in a friendly manner :)
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I came to my conclusion because it seemed evident on camera that Simon couldnt cope with the continued pressure of not only being project manager, but also taking the photographs - which we all know is stressful enough under pressure.
I dont feel that either team excelled but that is by the by - my comment was that he couldnt deal with the pressure.
He put himself forward as project manager, then delegated which was a good move IMO. But then he decided that he would also "look for frames" and take on "too much" when he had delegated what he should have.
If you look at the "beckham" team the project leader - delegated the "taking photographs" to someone else - which left her to deal with the back office issues.
The problem that I feel that Simon had and why he struggled is that he had customers to deal with at face value, he had the photographs to take, and he had the problems to HELP sort out as project manager because thats what his job is.
He took on too much and seemed out of his depth. Regardless of his "team" that were or were not playing a game.
The stress got too much because his team failed him - doesnt matter if its a one day or a one year project - you need a team behind you. And you are only as strong as your team.
But I dont think personally that he went into it right, I dont think he had the right idea of how to run and to delegate the jobs that he did.

But as I said its all IMO
 
True comments in my opinion but ultimately not the failing of the event. If the other team had two members like Claire and Alex, it would have been the same on their side. Their manager was not a good project manager and had her own agenda just like Claire and Alex. They won because of two things really.. the idea and the fact that the bitchy one was project manager and so ultimately as long as she made money, mainly through the idea, she would be safe. I've yet to see what Lucinda can do but she is being targeted quite badly too.

I think many would struggle if the team you chose for a one day project turned on you and you had no options.

I don't think the show is a good example of business in practice at all and also it is a poor example of recruitment. It is however, showbusiness. Which it pretends not to be.
 
Simon got what he deserved.
If you talk to people like they are ass****s right from the start, you are unlikely to get them all pulling the same direction.
Good management is all about people management, if you can't communicate calmly, consider opinion and not p**s people off with abject arrogance, it ain't happening.
 
Could TP members feel a little "emotional" because of the subject matter and therefore lose rational reasoning?
 
To be honest I dont think it was really about the subject matter that much...yes it involved photography but at the end of the say it was more about selling, organising and team work, like most of the tasks that they do
 
They print the images upsidedown, they print some on plain paper, they lose track of a simple numbering system - they're priceless . :D:D:D
But let's face it, it's all for entertainment. The grafters who would probably make it in the real world are being sacked , and the 'All Mouth and Trouser' types are being retained for their entertainment value.
Can't wait for next weeks episode - they have to 'invent' some new ice cream flavours. :bonk:
 
db247 said:
Could TP members feel a little "emotional" because of the subject matter and therefore lose rational reasoning?
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Think you could be right, it easy for us to say what an idiot for doing this or that, when we know a reasonable amount about the subject. But take us out of our comfort zone and add a bit of pressure it all changes. :help:
 
Printing image upside down - OK hands up here who hasn't put a piece of paper in their printer the wrong way round (I have and inkjet printers produce a splodgy mess if you print onto the wrong side) They're beginners, thrown in at the deep end...

The image numbering system could have worked, but they got their heads in a muddle about the file naming convensions.

Laser printing onto A4 paper for £ 15.99 was disgraceful. I wouldn't have paid if I found it was just a laser print.

Maybe instead of doing the printing in house, they could have scooted down to jessops and used their in store kiosks!

I liked the idea of the celebrity lookalike, and the Beckham chap was the most convincing. Otherwise they could have gone for a high key portrait and whack up contrast & saturation - Venture stylee...
 
The printing of images onto plain paper and then selling for how much they did was priceless.
 
I could not believe that they set up their stand 10 min walk away from their back office developing room!
 
HanC said:
To be honest I dont think it was really about the subject matter that much...yes it involved photography but at the end of the say it was more about selling, organising and team work, like most of the tasks that they do
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Yes, exactly. I'm not going to jump on these people for not being grade A photographers. Tasks like this are to test how people perform in unfamiliar surroundings.

Perhaps it would do many of us some good to step out of our respective comfort zones for a change?
 
Its a programme designed to attract viewers you need these Ego heads otherwise no programme. It was clear that the teams had limited knowledge in terms of Photography but the objective was to make a profit. Alan Sugar was clear in this objective to the teams.
 
Glitter said:
I could not believe that they set up their stand 10 min walk away from their back office developing room!
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I thought exactly the same, surely it would have been better to set up a small table with a laptop and printer next to the studio setup, that way the customers could have seen the photos right away, then all they had to do was a bit of cropping and printed them off. :shrug:
 
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