It has begun....and now it's ended....again **TP OFFICIAL WORLD CUP THREAD**

When u r paid 6mill a year you should not make mistakes. Any competent manager would have got us through qualifying. I listed a load of mistakes capello made, Joe do you really disagree with those? We have been shocking. The manger is responsible for team selection and tactics and was miles off on both. He has made major mistakes, why did he persist with Rooney and upon who were rubbish?
 
Oxo are introducing a new white Oxo cube with a red cross on it, in support of the England team.

It's called the laughing stock...
 
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cambsno said:
When u r paid 6mill a year you should not make mistakes.
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Where does this assumption come from that if someone gets paid a lot they are suddenly incapable of mistakes? A formula 1 driver getting paid £x million a year is still going to mis-judge a corner occasionally. Sure, they'll hopefully be more consistent than me driving around a go-cart track but money doesn't remove errors.
 
Just Dave said:
Oxo are introducing a new white Oxo cube with a red cross on it, in support of the England team.

It's called the laughing stock...
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Stop stirring it, you will be one of the first to jump on the gravy train if they ever won anything...............:D
 
Just Dave said:
England won in Big Brother against Germany, :thumbs:

and I did read it s l o w l y,
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OK I will explain it Dave................

you said 'laughing stock'

I said 'stirring & gravy'........geddit now?
 
cambsno said:
When u r paid 6mill a year you should not make mistakes. Any competent manager would have got us through qualifying. I listed a load of mistakes capello made, Joe do you really disagree with those? We have been shocking. The manger is responsible for team selection and tactics and was miles off on both. He has made major mistakes, why did he persist with Rooney and upon who were rubbish?
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your salary has nothing to do with you ability to make mistakes or not. all along i have said he has made mistakes, it doesnt take a genius to work that out, my argument is that he shouldnt be hung out to dry because of them on his first tournament, its as disgusting as when mark hughes got the chop from city last season.

we live in a world where people want instant success and its just ugly quite frankly
 
TriggerHappy said:
Where does this assumption come from that if someone gets paid a lot they are suddenly incapable of mistakes? A formula 1 driver getting paid £x million a year is still going to mis-judge a corner occasionally. Sure, they'll hopefully be more consistent than me driving around a go-cart track but money doesn't remove errors.
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Not really the same, the driver has split seconds to make decisions and even the best will crash. The fact is Capello had made some very basic mistakes and quite a few of them. Even Fergie, Wenger and Jose make mistakes from time to time, but not like Capello did.
 
joescrivens said:
we live in a world where people want instant success and its just ugly quite frankly
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No, I would have been happy for us to play decently with some passion in the group stages and to put up one hell of a game against Germany. While 98 against Argentina was a kick in the teeth, we at least gave 100% and did everything we could to win. I have no problem with us going out to Germany had we played well, but aside from around 15 mins, we looked like a Championship team and looked like we couldn't give a monkeys! That is why Capello should go. Had we fought in that second half and lost 3-2 say, but given everything I would have been proud of the team and can then start blaming bad luck.
 
cambsno said:
No, I would have been happy for us to play decently with some passion in the group stages and to put up one hell of a game against Germany.
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as I said before, if your team doesn't play with passion in a world cup for their country, you have already lost. That I'm afraid is the players fault.
 
I asked Fabio Capello if he was going 4-4-2 today... he replied "No, I'll go 7-4-7 , It's bigger, has more leg room and you get a free film...".


shamelessly stolen :)
 
The England team went to visit an orphanage in South Africa this morning, "It's so good to put a smile on the faces of people with no hope, constantly struggling, and facing the impossible" said Jamal Omboto, aged 6.
 
grum said:
The England team went to visit an orphanage in South Africa this morning, "It's so good to put a smile on the faces of people with no hope, constantly struggling, and facing the impossible" said Jamal Omboto, aged 6.
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you should have read the whole thread, that one is already in here :thumbs:
 
Ooops! How about this? :)

ENGLAND are heading home from the World Cup today after state-of-the-art video technology showed the ball crossing their goal line many, many times.


The cameras clearly showed the ball crossing the line for the fourth time
As questions were raised over why the Uruguayan officials had spotted all four German goals, the specially positioned cameras around the Bloemfontein Stadium confirmed that England's 2010 squad will forever be remembered as the 'team that never was'.

The use of television has been a source of controversy in the sport, but experts insist it offers a fool-proof method for determining whether a team is good at football or whether it is simply a collection of absurdly over-compensated, second-rate commercial brands with ghastly, vulgar wives, locked in a sado-masochistic relationship with a cretinous media that merely reflects a society that has taken its natural intelligence, its sense of perspective and its values and violently drowned them all in a bucket of ****.

Professor Henry Brubaker of the Institute for Studies said: "The technology is very complex and involves cathode tubes, a large glass screen and pretty much an entire roll of tinfoil.

"The operator sits in front of the screen and if he or she sees one set of players concede goal after goal after goal after goal, the video images then help them to decide whether or not those players are good at football."

Back home England fans vented their fury at the technology, as Paul the Psychic Octopus predicted Fabia Capello would soon be receiving a cheque for £12m and moving to a country where people can understand what he's saying.

Roy Hobbs, a flurry of opinions from Stevenage, said: "Alan Hansen kept going on about how it could have been 20 or even 25-nil and that if he had done that at Liverpool, Bob Paisley would have slashed him across the arse with a machete.

"But I think it could easily have been 70 or even 290-nil. Unless of course Lampard's goal had counted, in which case England would have won 14-2."

Nathan Muir, from Hatfield, added: "Not a good day. And after Sebastian Vettel beat Lewis Hamilton in the grand prix, I half expected to come home and find my missus having a dirty bath with the lead singer of Boney M."

Meanwhile, central defender John Terry finally arrived back in England's 18-yard box last night only to find that everyone else had gone home.

He eventually got out of the stadium after climbing over a fence.
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dod said:
I asked Fabio Capello if he was going 4-4-2 today... he replied "No, I'll go 7-4-7 , It's bigger, has more leg room and you get a free film...".


shamelessly stolen :)
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That's the best one so far!

Now we just have to wait for Mr Murray to revert to being Scottish and telly can get back to almost normal.
 
David Blane's more than a bit unhappy at the moment as well. Rooney just broke his world record for doing nothing in a box for 40+ days.
 
:lol: that's evil!
 
dod said:
I asked Fabio Capello if he was going 4-4-2 today... he replied "No, I'll go 7-4-7 , It's bigger, has more leg room and you get a free film...".


shamelessly stolen :)
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HE HE :D
 
Seems there's been a bit of commotion at Jo'burg airport - the England team were all found wandering about outside the terminal building unable to find the way in, apparently someone had painted goalposts round main door....
 
joescrivens said:
I have no argument there and thats not the point I'm debating. My point is that these people claiming Capello should now be sacked or resign because of it are being ludicrous. :bonk:
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Disagree completely ,one mistake yeh,four ,nah thats too many ,and getting paid £5 million.bring on Harry Redknapp ,he's the same nationality for a start so he'll be ahead before a ball's kicked .Sorted :thumbs:
 
mxfun said:
Disagree completely ,one mistake yeh,four ,nah thats too many ,and getting paid £5 million.bring on Harry Redknapp ,he's the same nationality for a start so he'll be ahead before a ball's kicked .Sorted :thumbs:
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harry won't take that job, at least not right now, what you dont seem to realise is because of thhis throw away mentality, the england job is a poisened chalice now.

your not going to attract lots of interest if there is no room for error in the role, and why would you?

the funny thing is that if cspello stays and does really well at the euros you'll all suddenly have amnesia and start saying, "oh i knew he was the man all along" and ill sit here grinning knowingly
 
Small mistakes and bad luck are one thing, but Capello has made loads of big mistakes.

I thought he said after he took the job that he wanted to be judged on results - well thats what we should do.

One of the easiest WC groups, we win 1 game in 4 against a country with a population of just 2m and... players didnt know what they were doing...

I have to ask Joe, what do you think Capello did right, and should he not have learnt from his mistakes after 1st 2 games and changed things?
 
cambsno said:
Small mistakes and bad luck are one thing, but Capello has made loads of big mistakes.

I thought he said after he took the job that he wanted to be judged on results - well thats what we should do.

One of the easiest WC groups, we win 1 game in 4 against a country with a population of just 2m and... players didnt know what they were doing...

I have to ask Joe, what do you think Capello did right, and should he not have learnt from his mistakes after 1st 2 games and changed things?
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Like I said, I'm looking at the bigger picture, not a 3 week stint in a competition that Capello AND all the players basically screwed up in. I look at the effect capello has had since taking charge after McLaren and until the competition there are plenty of things he did right, I don't need to list them. They speak for themselves.

By your judgement, with the exception of Ashley Cole, who was probably the most consistent player throughout the tournament and rarely made mistakes, every single player who started should also be dropped, because they all made mistakes too, time after time in all 4 games, particularly wayne rooney who was by far the worst player at the world cup in any team!

Do you think thats it for him too, he should never be in another england squad? No? - didn't think so.

The bigger picture is that we should have a measured expectation of how our team should do and not assume arrogantly that we are going to win a world cup. Take the german team currently playing, there isn't an expectation for them to win this world cup, they are expected to reach the quater finals and they have - they have a long term goal, they are a young team looking to develop and mature probably to target the competition in Brazil as their chance of winning.

We need to go back, start from scratch, have a player cull and look at the new breed and build them up, measure the expectations for the euros and the next world cup as reaching the 2nd round then the quarter finals, then in 8 years when we might get the world cup in england, that be our target. Do this as a rolling plan where the under 21s team becomes more involved with the full squad and these expectations.
 
The anti-Capello brigade really do crack me up - you were not complaining during qualifications I bet!

Also, the fact that he is Italian doesn't make a difference at all - again this isn't seen as a problem when you are winning and performing well. I am not saying he has made all the right decisions, but the players do need to take some responsibility as well, which has been mentioned a number of times. Rooney didn't turn up, Lamps and Gerrard weren't at their best and the defence against Germany was shambolic.

Why get rid of Capello? He has an outstanding record for England and surely it would cause even more unrest by introducing another manager. Or is that our philosophy - new manager every 2 years??

I am disappointed like everyone else and yes it feels good to pile on the blame onto somebody or something, but maybe we are just not as world class as we make out. Our domestic season is too long (Germany have a winter break) and I think our media piles on way too much pressure. Yes, the same old argument about them being overpaid crops up constantly - but we are the consumers, we pay for the Sky subscription, purchase merchandise etc. Doug Stanhope does a bit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFQUWhQGYi4
 
PMK said:
Why get rid of Capello? He has an outstanding record for England and surely it would cause even more unrest by introducing another manager. Our domestic season is too long (Germany have a winter break)
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Outstanding record - biggest defeat in a WC game, arguably our worse performance in the WC.... I am not looking at the results so much, winning the world cup would have been great, but it was the manner in which we played.

The German squad played more games last season than we did - 11 of their squad played over 50 games compared to 10 of ours.

Care to point out what he got RIGHT in terms of squad selection, motivation and tactics in the WC?
 
cambsno said:
Outstanding record - biggest defeat in a WC game, arguably our worse performance in the WC.... I am not looking at the results so much, winning the world cup would have been great, but it was the manner in which we played.

The German squad played more games last season than we did - 11 of their squad played over 50 games compared to 10 of ours.

Care to point out what he got RIGHT in terms of squad selection, motivation and tactics in the WC?
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again you are measuring him completely and isolated on 4 performances at the world cup. You have amnesia on where he took the team from McLaren to the point before the world cup.

Lets not forget, our last manager we didn't even qualify for the euros and our group was no more difficult than our last one. How about taking our shoddy team that couldn't even qualify for the euros into an unbeaten run, superb performances, good competition in the friendlies against France and Spain (we lost but put up good fights) 2-2 draw coming from behind against Holland, thrashing croatia 4-1.

I mean really, lets measure the man on his whole experience with the team and not just 4 performances of which I blame the players more for their pathetic individual efforts.
 
joescrivens said:
again you are measuring him completely and isolated on 4 performances at the world cup. You have amnesia on where he took the team from McLaren to the point before the world cup.

Lets not forget, our last manager we didn't even qualify for the euros and our group was no more difficult than our last one. How about taking our shoddy team that couldn't even qualify for the euros into an unbeaten run, superb performances, good competition in the friendlies against France and Spain (we lost but put up good fights) 2-2 draw coming from behind against Holland, thrashing croatia 4-1.

I mean really, lets measure the man on his whole experience with the team and not just 4 performances of which I blame the players more for their pathetic individual efforts.
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^^ This.

I don't see how replacing him straight after the World Cup will do the team any good? Like Joe says, you are basing this purely on four games. I am not happy with the performances at all but if you are looking at decisions he's made in regards to squad selection the argument fails. Gerrard played predominantly on the left during qualification. Everyone was screaming for Joe Cole to be played - to be fair I was - but when he did play he was hardly the impact player everybody expected. There are many variables to our failure - I just don't see the logic of getting rid of Capello so hastily.

Also, I know overall the Germans played more games - but they have a WINTER BREAK, we do not.
 
shocker this afternoon then, wasn't expecting Brazil to go out yet
 
dod said:
shocker this afternoon then, wasn't expecting Brazil to go out yet
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I've been saying for the last week or so that Holland were a threat. They were quietly winning all their games but nobody was paying any attention to them. I'm thinking the final could well be a repeat of 1978.

As an aside, it was good to see my German colleague almost in tears today when Holland won! :D
 
Uruguay will prevail, and Spain and Gemany will go through...
 
and now we get penalties :( One of the best games there's been for tension and drama though :thumbs:
 
Unbelievable. Moment of the world cup. Ridiculously dramatic ending.

And fairplay to the Ghana supporters for booing. Similar situation to the France - Ireland situation.

That should have been Ghana winning that much but I guess that's the rules.
 
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