It has begun....and now it's ended....again **TP OFFICIAL WORLD CUP THREAD**

2blue4u said:
Where to start?!?

I really don't blame the players. We all know what they are capable of in the Premier League.
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Problem is though, they're supported and/or protected by better quality foreign players. I heard an interesting fact today that only about 35% of the English league is made up of English players. That's never a recipe for long term success of the national team.
 
I really don't blame the players. We all know what they are capable of in the Premier League.
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When they are surrounded by talented overseas players

How many of our so called stars do they want in the best european leagues

Overrated and overpaid who showed from the outset no commitment whatsoever and obviously didn't want to be there

Edit seems we agree then Dod
 
cambsno said:
Then he swaps a striker for a striker. WHY?
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That would have been bad enough in the circumstances. But he swapped a striker for Heskey :bang:

Not just the players who were making terrible decisions today.
 
2blue4u said:
I feel sorry for Gerrard and Terry in particular. Where to start?!?
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I'm not knocking his commitment but Terry's lack of pace was clear for all to see more than once today.
 
An opinion from a Scot who couldn't care less if he never saw a football game again... I did watch some of todays game and listened to some of the comment, the players in the England team are supposed to be professionals, they didn't play like professionals today. They certainly didn't play as a team or with any will to win. You can blame the manager for picking the wrong players but you can't blame him for the utterly shambolic performance all those guys put up once they were on the pitch. I've often thought that a major part of the problem that both England and Scotland have is that the National teams don't ever get the chance to play 'as a team'. I feel they should play as a team for a period of months before a tournament like this, not just a couple of friendlies, of course this would entail many of them taking a huge pay cut. Not an easy proposition but maybe pick lesser known solid players who would be willing to put their whole hearts into it instead of prima donnas who can only turn it on for a few minutes at a time unless there's a huge paycheck waiting.
 
Oh b****r. Just remembered that for four nights in a forthcoming two week tour of Europe, I'll be staying in hotels in..... Germany :(
 
Steep said:
I've often thought that a major part of the problem that both England and Scotland have is that the National teams don't ever get the chance to play 'as a team'. I feel they should play as a team for a period of months before a tournament like this, not just a couple of friendlies, of course this would entail many of them taking a huge pay cut.
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No other national team in the world does this - why do you think England and Scotland need to ?
 
Anyone arguing with me this time when I say Heskey isn't worth the paper his £50,000 contact is written it!! Why did Heskey come on for Defoe!! Biggest mistake from my English history! Dawson should of been playing instead of Upson! Rooney would of been better if he would of got sent off! Could of done us all a favor! Best player for me was Lampard, deserved a goal! Don't even get me started about the disallowed goal!!! And on top of that Fabio Capello ISN'T resigning after the worse game I have ever seen!! I can use a hell of a lot more words but I dont want to get banned!
 
The main problem with the england team is that the players are simply not good enough. You have manchester united, chelsea, arsenal, liverpool all have had relatively good success over the years in the uk and europe but the best players in all these teams are from abroad. Because the English clubs do well in tournements the National team is then expected to perform well. But the only reason the clubs play well is because of the foreign players they have playing for them.
 
Andy said:
Don't even get me started about the disallowed goal!!!!
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Yes its a sham, but seriously if it would have been allowed england would still have lost, so its now a failed arguement point. Oh well our overpaid, eggshell built football players can now forget the world cup. a nice new bently or a yaucht will take their mind off it. Like i always said if they only get paid if they won, then you see how much better they play.

- 20 feet in front of the goal, lets boot it 60 feet above the flood lights.

- fall over on soft turf and get stretched off to intensive care, yet my 84 year old nan trips over a pavement, breaks her arm in 2 places and continues to do her shopping before going to hospital. what a shameful bunch of professionals
 
I'm not going to even write a constuctive post for this thread! 3 Lions????? 3 kittens!!!! That Italian p****k is a joke! Call yourself a manager, Capello? You couldn't manage a crap!!!!
 
KryptoNeo said:
The main problem with the england team is that the players are simply not good enough. You have manchester united, chelsea, arsenal, liverpool all have had relatively good success over the years in the uk and europe but the best players in all these teams are from abroad. Because the English clubs do well in tournements the National team is then expected to perform well. But the only reason the clubs play well is because of the foreign players they have playing for them.
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I don't agree entirely - Gerrard and Lampard are often the best players for their clubs and have won Champions Leagues and PL titles etc. Not saying the team overall are amazing but they are capable of much better if they could play as a team.
 
awp said:
Can we get our 'normal' telly back now please?:D
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well.....err....no, the WCup will still be shown in its entirety, but there won't be as many games..

...besides, I got to shout for Paraguay now seeing as the entire United Kingdom is out, yess, you all know who you are, boneheads, leave it to England to provide the only WCup interest...again...:shake:
 
The mark of a good manager is to create a team to win, even if you have poor players.

Take Roy Hodgson, took over a rubbish side, kept them up, and then with few additions have improved loads. Look at the Greek side that won the Euros, rubbish team but had a gameplan and it worked. Wherever Jose has gone, his teams have won titles galore. Having good players helps but its the manager that builds spirit and strategy. Close to me are Histon, who went on a 5 promotions in 10 years run and season before last finished in Conference playoffs despite having a poor side relative to the top 10 teams. The reason they did well was due to the manager and coach, when they left they went in freefall!!

Germany had a poor team at last WC but Low seems to be a good manager and gets the most out of his players.

We have been rubbish throughout the tournament and it is Capello who is to blame :

- Not choosing a No.1 goalie. Why take a rookie Hart to WC, he knows what James and Green are like so why not play Hart in the 3 or 4 warm up games in full to build his experience.
- Not taking Sol Campbell to WC and not playing Dawson, instead playing Upson who was shown to be out of his depth.
- Not taking Parker but taking Carrick who was poor all season. Taking Lennon who can never deliver a final ball, SWP who is out of his depth at this level, not playing Joe Cole 90% of the time... Walcott is better than Lennon or SWP, not great but he has turned games like Croatia or Barcelona (2-2 at Arsenal) which the others have not done.
- Keeping Rooney on the pitch when he was cack.
- Not giving Bent a run of games to see if he is any good - you cant base it on 45 mins here and there. Not working on Gerrard/Rooney combo and playing Defoe and Rooney which does not work.
- Looking at todays game, has there been any work done on positioning or defending, I dont think so.
- There is obviously a bad vibe in the camp and his stupid naming the team as late as possible.
- Pointless substitutions.

The FA should get Jose or Wenger in as they can get the most out of players... or Hodgson or Redknapp.
 
cambsno said:
The mark of a good manager is to create a team to win, even if you have poor players.

Take Roy Hodgson, took over a rubbish side, kept them up, and then with few additions have improved loads. Look at the Greek side that won the Euros, rubbish team but had a gameplan and it worked. Wherever Jose has gone, his teams have won titles galore. Having good players helps but its the manager that builds spirit and strategy. Close to me are Histon, who went on a 5 promotions in 10 years run and season before last finished in Conference playoffs despite having a poor side relative to the top 10 teams. The reason they did well was due to the manager and coach, when they left they went in freefall!!

Germany had a poor team at last WC but Low seems to be a good manager and gets the most out of his players.

We have been rubbish throughout the tournament and it is Capello who is to blame :

- Not choosing a No.1 goalie. Why take a rookie Hart to WC, he knows what James and Green are like so why not play Hart in the 3 or 4 warm up games in full to build his experience.
- Not taking Sol Campbell to WC and not playing Dawson, instead playing Upson who was shown to be out of his depth.
- Not taking Parker but taking Carrick who was poor all season. Taking Lennon who can never deliver a final ball, SWP who is out of his depth at this level, not playing Joe Cole 90% of the time... Walcott is better than Lennon or SWP, not great but he has turned games like Croatia or Barcelona (2-2 at Arsenal) which the others have not done.
- Keeping Rooney on the pitch when he was cack.
- Not giving Bent a run of games to see if he is any good - you cant base it on 45 mins here and there. Not working on Gerrard/Rooney combo and playing Defoe and Rooney which does not work.
- Looking at todays game, has there been any work done on positioning or defending, I dont think so.
- There is obviously a bad vibe in the camp and his stupid naming the team as late as possible.
- Pointless substitutions.

The FA should get Jose or Wenger in as they can get the most out of players... or Hodgson or Redknapp.
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I'm desperately trying to disagree with you...but I can't. The conundrum is that Capello is a proven manager - maybe it just needs different skills at international level :shrug:
 
fabs said:
Right, thread cleaned again. Just because England are out, doesnt mean it's time for the anti football brigade to start chipping in.
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so is that not showing bias towards the 'football brigade' - that doesn't seem fair either!

There really is no place for these threads on a photography forum!
 
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awp said:
so is that not showing bias towards the 'football brigade' - that doesn't seem fair either!

There really is no place for these threads on a photography forum!
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But there's a thread for the anti brigade so they can post in there that was the point.

This is the out of focus area of the forum and as such, all topics within it are not photography related yet you seem happy to post in it. These threads do have a place in this forum because it is a community as well.
 
fabs said:
But there's a thread for the anti brigade so they can post in there that was the point.

This is the out of focus area of the forum and as such, all topics within it are not photography related yet you seem happy to post in it. These threads do have a place in this forum because it is a community as well.
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I just look at 'new posts' and read what takes my fancy - I have no idea what section most of them are in. I'll search for the anti thread then - - - no - on seconds thoughts - it's not that important - i can't be bothered - BUT - can we have our regular telly back please - pixxes me off the way sport railroads over everything!
 
awp said:
so is that not showing bias towards the 'football brigade' - that doesn't seem fair either!

There really is no place for these threads on a photography forum!
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Just ignore them then :shrug:

I'm one of those people that only really shows interest in football when the big events are on but even I could see England were outplayed for the first 30 minutes and all of the second half

German passing was accurate, the players made space and were out on their own when the ball landed within 5 feet of them for what seemed like every long pass.

The disallowed goal was a shocking decision and I do believe if we'd gone to half time 2-2 the England we saw in the last 10 minutes of the first half would have been on the pitch
 
LOL - there's always an excuse - oops - sorry - I'll get back to the photo forum!
 
They can't win the world cup of football, but would stand a great chance at sleeping with as many women as possible while married championships.

Over rated, over paid, and under skilled. They and the media believe their own hype that the PL is the best in the world, now obviously that is just not true.
 
Lasagne said:
No other national team in the world does this - why do you think England and Scotland need to ?
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Well if it would turn around their dismal performances why not? I'm not sure if the rest of the worlds footballers have the same attitude that UK players do.
 
Why is it that people who profess to have zero interest in football always selfishly post and trash the occasional thread specifically for football :shrug:
 
Very entertaining game for me ,it had excitement ,end to end play ,and in the end the better team by far won the battle .

Hearing all this negative vibes towards the losers is kinda sad ,considering that before the game you's all had them in the final :shrug:
 
Carlos Tevez, 1-0 :)
 
Ouch, it was offside, the linesman didn't give it but they replayed it in the stadium. Referee and linesman knew they were wrong but had to give the goal anyway :eek:
 
Appalling display, sorry but I didn't expect England to progress much further than the group stages and so be it.

Wrong tactics, mostly right personnel albeit I would have maybe 2-3 different people playing and completely different tactics.

Shocking Manager, always have thought and let's hope the FA hopefully see sense and get rid, sadly we now have a £6mio a year Manager round our necks if we want to get rid!

Very very poor... :'( :thumbsdown:
 
Don't agree with the overpaid argument...........it's the going rate that is the problem.

If you don't understand my statement then you don't understand life.

Football is entertainment............ we have all bought music albums (remember those days folks) cd's and had 2 maybe 3 good tracks and 8 to 10 bad ones on, have we ever complained like we do about sport? No, because sport is subjective to visual mistakes, it is only a game.

Pride is tops but victory is sensational.
 
cambsno said:
So you think Capello has done a good job?
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I think he did a great job with qualifying, it's the first time I can remember being so confident we were going to qualify, winning so many of the qualifying games and qualifying so early. We didn't have the hardest group, but we've had a lot easier groups in the past and not qualified as easily.

Clearly the performance at the Tournament has been pathetic, but I don't think all the blame lies on capello, Rooney for example was totally off his game the whole tournament - nothing to do with tactics or capello, personally he didn't perform. The same can be said of many of them.

The only way england is going to progress is if they are given a manager that is allowed to make mistakes - you have to make mistakes to improve. When have you ever been given a job and instantly performed the best and never made a mistake? You are given opportunity and room to make mistakes and to continue.

Capello is a proven manager with an excellent record, he's lifted the team superbly since he took over. He's just screwed up and the individuals have screwed up over the last 2 weeks. End of, no big deal, chin up and move onto the next challenge
 
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