Isolating objects in PS?

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Can anyone point me to where im going wrong with trying to isolate an object from the background?
I must have watched and read about 20 tutorials over the last 5 hours and still cannot get anything like a decent isolated object despite that.

Workflow is as follows:

(i) Quick selection to roughly select the object
(ii) refine this slightly by removing bits with the magic wand
(iii) going into Refine Edge...

Once im there what im seeing on the tutorials and what happens starts to differ massively from the tutorial videos quite simply because the results are massively different.

For example im ticking the "Smart Radius" box and dragging up the slider below. Most of the objects i want have fairly hard edges so there isnt much "overlap" so to speak so ive kept the radius on zero or at least a low number (it doesnt seem to make any difference).

I get a sort of selected object so i try to refine - for example if the head of what im after has a bit missing with the brush im painting it in.
This is having the effect of (i) sometimes absolutely nothing, what ive painted vanished and the mask doesnt change (ii) a large grey area of semi selected pixels and certainly not the hard edge i can see clearly or (iii) half the bits i DO want selected that are covered a bit by that brush now go from fully selected to partially selected grey.

No matter what i do i cant get any further than that. Ive tried now 9 different photos all SHOULD be very easy to isolate (no hair, turtles with shells against blue water etc!) and managed to produce nothing except a jagged mess with bits missing and some background randomly ported with me.

Any ideas where im going wrong or what im not doing as so far the entire day has been spent and wasted trying to do this!

Just as a reference i picked photos that i thought would be easy to practice on such as there:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/whitcomberd/8124415699/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/whitcomberd/7609244180/

although obviously im working off the RAW files of these.
 
Are you working from the same size as the large you have on flickr or bigger? I didn't need to use the smart radius at all, all I did was very quickly select with the quick selection tool, then in refine edge I added a few pixels smoothing that seemed to work nicely.
Nice pics by the way.

Is this what your getting or a lot worse? can you post a screengrab so we can see what your seeing.

EDIT I just saw that your working off the raw so ignore the first part or my answer.

8253466741_5240a38e36_b.jpg
 
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Thats better than i managed - Im getting bits of the head only part selected or half a fin missing. That or chunks of background included. Trying to use the smart radius box, slider and clicking on bits it's missed is where it starts to go wrong.
I'll screen grab later when im home. Im working off the full size RAW files, it was just easier to link to the same image in flickr to demonstrate the type of photo.
 
You want to be doing the selection with a layer mask like Wayne has (see the layers panel in his grab). That way, you can paint something in or out when the system gets it wrong ;)
 
You want to be doing the selection with a layer mask like Wayne has (see the layers panel in his grab). That way, you can paint something in or out when the system gets it wrong ;)

I already do, i always use layer masks. Its the actual selection im struggling with.
 
I used a bigish quick selection brush and I had no real problems, only had to make a smaller brush for the very tip of the flippers, something in the settings?
 
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