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As the title says. I was racing in a mtb race and i got my picture taken doing a jump ok but the picture is online for sale I have no problem with this actully i am happy with this. But I was wondering are you aloud to take pictures of people without their permission. Thanks jonny
 
Yes, I think you are. Think of the paparazzi. They don't ask permission. So make sure you're always smiling if you are out side your house. :-)
 
But it is for sale. Now there was some mtb riders there about 9 or 10 years old how come you are aloud to do this is it not under child protection.
 
No one is protected from having their photo taken (except people in witness protection and very few children who are on a register)
 
But it is for sale. Now there was some mtb riders there about 9 or 10 years old how come you are aloud to do this is it not under child protection.

You are allowed to take images of anyone whilst in a public space.

If however you are taking images on private land of an event you may need the event co-ordinator's or land owners consent. Depends on the rules of the event I suppose.
 
I thought you'd need a model release to make money from shots with people in that can be identified? I don't know much about it though to be honest!

This is a popular mistake, some picture agencies will insist on a release if it's for commercial use, but it's not a legal requirment in the UK.
 
Actully it depends on wether the person taking the picture got permission from the organisors to sell the pics or he might be braking copyright law.

He will not be breaking any copyright laws. He owns the copyright however he got the shot.

The only rule he may be breaking is the condition of entry to the site.


Steve.
 
model releases are needed to use pic abroad as diff countries have diff laws, only issue would be site owner getting cross but he should have said at the time.

and its allowed not aloud ffs
 
He will not be breaking any copyright laws. He owns the copyright however he got the shot.

The only rule he may be breaking is the condition of entry to the site.

Or more accurately, breaking any commercial rights holdings that may be in place...

Probably not an issue with anything but the top end of sport though (eg Premiership football, F1, BSB, MotoGP etc), but you can run foul of the same problems lower down - when someone has paid a pile of cash for "onsite event photography", but they tend not to have a bunch of solicitors in expensive suits, they will just tell you to **** off when they see you :D
 
model releases are needed to use pic abroad as diff countries have diff laws, only issue would be site owner getting cross but he should have said at the time.

and its allowed not aloud ffs

If you're going to point out spelling mistakes then you'd better get your grammer right...

Fingers crossed on mine.
 
I understand you own the right to any photos you take as long as they are taken with the event organisers or land owners permission. But what about the reproduction of copyrighted logos and trade marks. Mountain bikes and the riders clothing is plastered manufactures names, sponsors etc.

I just bring it up because i have had photos of myself removed from facebook because i was wearing official band clothing that displayed their name/logo.
 
If you're going to point out spelling mistakes then you'd better get your grammer right...

Fingers crossed on mine.
grammar

lol Too funny!

[EDIT] b****r. Beaten to it. lol
 
I thought the only time you can object is if the photo is used in a derogatory sense, as for logos etc, as the image wasnt taken because of the logo, i dont think there will be a problem:shrug:
 
Thats not right... sounds like Facebook did you up like a kipper!

*Possibly* if you had scanned the logo from the shirt in and used it to brand your pages then yes they can ask you to take that down, because its using their intellectual property, but they cannot sell branded merchandise and then insist you don't wear it during photos! Well, in the UK that is the case anyway!

There is far too much scaremongering that goes on - all of course in favour of the megacorp$...
 
I understand you own the right to any photos you take as long as they are taken with the event organisers or land owners permission.

You own the copyright to any images you take regardless of your rights to take or not to take them.


Steve.
 
quite common from what i have heard, read the back of entry tickets or stated on a website:thumbs:
 
Most when any sense have prohibitions on "commercial photography" - which this is if you are selling the photos, regardless of whether or not you were just a paying member of the public...

They do it so they can reserve the commercial rights for someone who will pay...
 
Most when any sense have prohibitions on "commercial photography" - which this is if you are selling the photos, regardless of whether or not you were just a paying member of the public...

They do it so they can reserve the commercial rights for someone who will pay...

But this does not imply giving up copyright of any pictures you take.


Steve.
 
Correct, that is normally how they work, but technically you could write a rule saying that the copyright was theirs too... most places don't, but I have seen it before!
 
but technically you could write a rule saying that the copyright was theirs too... most places don't, but I have seen it before!

I think if that was challenged in court it would be over ruled for being too inclusive.


Steve.
 
You just have to be careful when something is really tied up in legal tape with regard to appearances of something - eg football kit and footballers themselves, then your photograph of them or the game being played is actually a derivative work, because their copyrighted work is the main subject of your photos :D

Its not a problem for anything but the most jealously guarded images, unless you are using it in a negative way (eg a photo of a BMW car that you have turned into something that says "BMW sucks!")
 
You just have to be careful when something is really tied up in legal tape with regard to appearances of something - eg football kit and footballers themselves, then your photograph of them or the game being played is actually a derivative work, because their copyrighted work is the main subject of your photos :D

However if the photo is for editorial use then the copyright within the photo does not apply.
 
A person does not have copyright protection of their own image.

Steve.

That's poorly worded Steve. I know what you mean, but it doesn't read like that. What you mean is that people in public places have no automatic legal right to control what photographs are taken of them, or how they are used.

I often wonder what newcomers make of threads like this. The overall impression I get is that publishing yout photos is a bit of a legal minefield, especially if money is involved, but that is simply not the case from a legal position.

Legally, if you are a) in a public place, and b) your photos convey a truthful representation, then you can do what you like. There are very few exceptions, and these are always obvious. Children and celebs are fair game, legally.

People might try and stop you for all manner of reasons, but legally you are very unlikely to get into trouble. I have spent many years in publishing, I have issued and received plenty of writs, and have spent thousands on solicitors fees.

The law is actually quite liberal when it comes to taking and publishing pictures of people. Providing they are taken in a public place, and are a truthful representation, then legally you can do pretty much what you like.

Even if it's not a public place, unless you have actually signed something restricting photography and your pictures are accurate (ie not a dishonest representation) you're most unlikely to get legal problems.

99% of the difficulty is people trying to protect their own commercial interests, or their own self-image, by banning cameras and putting stuff in the small print on the back of tickets. These restrictions are nothing more than hot air; they don't have any legal status and the worst that can happen is you get thrown out and banned. Which of course, can be quite an effective restriction even if it has nothing to do with the law.
 
That's poorly worded Steve. I know what you mean, but it doesn't read like that. What you mean is that people in public places have no automatic legal right to control what photographs are taken of them, or how they are used.

No. I meant that you do not own the copyright of your own image. I'm not talking about a photograph of that image, I'm referring to the actual person.

What you say about public places is true but that is not a copyright issue.


Steve.
 
No. I meant that you do not own the copyright of your own image. I'm not talking about a photograph of that image, I'm referring to the actual person.

Haha LOL Steve. And I still know what you're saying, and it's still badly worded ;)
 
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