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My internet "Orange" is working again today, but it appears that a lot of Orange mobile phones weren't working yesterday. There seems to be very little information on the Student protests in Manchester, Birmingham, London and Leeds on the media. All day long we have news of the demonstrations in Egypt but for some reason it appears the media is not interested in what happens in Britain. Could this be the reason? http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/index.php/news/content/view/full/100392
 
Nice unbiased reporting there!!!
 
The media doesn't report on what's good for the audience to know about.
They report on what sells papers and brings in viewing figures.
 
Marcel said:
The media doesn't report on what's good for the audience to know about.
They report on what sells papers and brings in viewing figures.
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Too true. I am eagerly awaiting some true reporting such as photos from other TP members, and maybe some videos on Youtube.
 
Maybe its because what is happening in Egipt(before in Tunisia) might have very important results for our part of the world. And maybe its just more interesting then some "poor" students doing riots for fun again??
 
lazy said:
Maybe its because what is happening in Egypt(before in Tunisia) might have very important results for our part of the world. And maybe its just more interesting then some "poor" students doing riots for fun again??
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It does concern us. Education should be free for all, else our country is going to end up far behind the 3rd world. I was lucky I gained my degree and both my children gained theirs before the division between the poor and rich was enforced. Perhaps we should only provide schooling for the children of the rich after all why would the poor need to learn to read and write.

Both my daughters have first class jobs and now earn high salaries, a large percentage which is paid back to the government in taxes. They realise that this is necessary to reward the country for the privilege of their education.

It's time that the people of this country realise that we need well educated people for the country to move forward and not stagnate. Do we really just need to have Old Etonians running the country (to the ground) in the future.
 
hillwalkinggirl said:
It does concern us. Education should be free for all, else our country is going to end up far behind the 3rd world. ....... Perhaps we should only provide schooling for the children of the rich after all why would the poor need to learn to read and write......

.... Do we really just need to have Old Etonians running the country (to the ground) in the future.
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I think you are overreacting... :)
Yes education is important but Ive got my opinion about some students, and i dont think i will change it soon.
I wonder why is it that people from many countries with much smaller fundings can be well educated?? Do you think its all about money or is there any space for willingness to achieve?

But you started thread about media news, and to me Egypt makes a nice fresh difference from Jordan or Posh stories.
 
lazym said:
I think you are overreacting... :)
Yes education is important but Ive got my opinion about some students, and i dont think i will change it soon.
I wonder why is it that people from many countries with much smaller fundings can be well educated?? Do you think its all about money or is there any space for willingness to achieve?

But you started thread about media news, and to me Egypt makes a nice fresh difference from Jordan or Posh stories.
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I'm not over reacting. Is it acceptable that children from working class families atart off their working life with debts of £30,000 or so? In Britain we are a democracy and so students should have a right to protest. I know that there are students who are a waste of space and waste their opportunities, but the cost in this country is prohibitive, for example in Poland the cost of getting a degree is far cheaper.

I am not asking just to have British news, but I do think that we should be kept informed about important issues that are occuring in my own country.
 
Please remember that this isn't a politics forum and this isn't a politics thread. If it was it would have disappeared by now ;)
 
hillwalkinggirl said:
Is it acceptable that children from working class families atart off their working life with debts of £30,000 or so? .
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Yes its normal life, however its not a nice feeling to be in debts.

hillwalkinggirl said:
In Britain we are a democracy and so students should have a right to protest.
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Yes but Egyptian protests are by far more interesting.

hillwalkinggirl said:
for example in Poland the cost of getting a degree is far cheaper.
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No its not, when compare what is being earned on average to what is being spend.

hillwalkinggirl said:
I am not asking just to have British news, but I do think that we should be kept informed about important issues that are occuring in my own country.
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With HUGE number of newspapers and televisions in UK do you realy believe we are not being informed enough?? Are you kidding me :lol:
Goodbye.
 
lazym said:
Maybe its because what is happening in Egipt(before in Tunisia) might have very important results for our part of the world. And maybe its just more interesting then some "poor" students doing riots for fun again??
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I'm in agreement with this. Student protests or an insecure large Middle Eastern country that could switch from being a Western ally to a potentially hostile one. Besides, I'm getting tired of these whinging students all over the TV and internet. Of course everyone has a right to education, but it's only one part of the puzzle and unfortunately theres a big book to be balanced.
 
KayJay said:
I'm in agreement with this. Student protests or an insecure large Middle Eastern country that could switch from being a Western ally to a potentially hostile one. Besides, I'm getting tired of these whinging students all over the TV and internet. Of course everyone has a right to education, but it's only one part of the puzzle and unfortunately theres a big book to be balanced.
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Indeed! .... just to add... they (the students) don't pay for it until they can afford it :cool:
 
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UK Uncut on the end of Newsnight. Not yet on iPlayer.
 
Aye, but it shows youngsters (and older'uns, plus a police officer) suffering the effects of C S spray. Students and their concerns were mentioned, naturally.
 
Just to point out my discussion didn't actually start from my concern over student rights but just the rights of people to protest in general. What concerns me is the worry that we might go the way of Egypt and Tunisia, insomuch that the government (this is not biased politically to any party by the way, as I wouldn't be trusting any politician or banker) could also deny information to us as to what was going on in this country, by controlling the internet and the news media. It is very worrying that Murdoch seems to have quite a monopoly over the media.

You may think that I am over reacting by worrying about this, but just look back into history and see what can happen in the future. When people start to lose their jobs, their income and their houses the country becomes ripe for revolution.
 
hillwalkinggirl said:
I'm not over reacting. Is it acceptable that children from working class families atart off their working life with debts of £30,000 or so? In Britain we are a democracy and so students should have a right to protest. I know that there are students who are a waste of space and waste their opportunities, but the cost in this country is prohibitive, for example in Poland the cost of getting a degree is far cheaper.

I am not asking just to have British news, but I do think that we should be kept informed about important issues that are occuring in my own country.
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They have a right to protest, but not to behave in the way that they have in smashing stuff up and being violent. I bet in Poland you have to do a proper degree and dont have access to the waste of time degrees!
 
hillwalkinggirl said:
Just to point out my discussion didn't actually start from my concern over student rights but just the rights of people to protest in general. What concerns me is the worry that we might go the way of Egypt and Tunisia, insomuch that the government (this is not biased politically to any party by the way, as I wouldn't be trusting any politician or banker) could also deny information to us as to what was going on in this country, by controlling the internet and the news media. It is very worrying that Murdoch seems to have quite a monopoly over the media.

You may think that I am over reacting by worrying about this, but just look back into history and see what can happen in the future. When people start to lose their jobs, their income and their houses the country becomes ripe for revolution.
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What people need to understand is that long term we will end up like that if we dont address the finance issue. I dont like the cuts just like most of the population - but without them we will end up in a far worse state. Unfortunately too many people do not understand that and think we can carry on as before.
 
cambsno said:
They have a right to protest, but not to behave in the way that they have in smashing stuff up and being violent. I bet in Poland you have to do a proper degree and dont have access to the waste of time degrees!
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cambsno said:
What people need to understand is that long term we will end up like that if we dont address the finance issue. I dont like the cuts just like most of the population - but without them we will end up in a far worse state. Unfortunately too many people do not understand that and think we can carry on as before.
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I agree that there are too many degrees which will never offer an opportunity of a job, but there also many degrees, for example Science and Engineering, which are desperately needed by this country. This is what we excel in and is the only way forward for this country. The problem however is that the standard of pay for Science Graduates and Engineering graduates is poor. I am speaking from experience.

Maybe there should be subsidised fees for those who are taking necessary degrees.

The biggest problem with the country being in recession is from people spending money that they don't have. I have always saved up so that I have the money to buy what I want and therefore don't pay out massive amounts of interest to the banks.

I don't mind the fact that in times of recession there have to be cut backs but why should those who have been prudent and saved now suffer by getting no interest on our money whilst those who have squandered our money still get their big bonuses. What on earth do they manage to spend 6 million pound bonuses on?
 
Egypt story is important for all of us stupid hooligan student protest no one cares about why are they moaning ?pay your fees it's not up to the taxpayers to cover your fees all students dovish get ****ed everynight and cause trouble in Glasgow anyway the police have a nightmare with them they should have too pay fees they should stop bitching and get on with it and stop drinking what money they do have.
 
Barbara, I really don't understand what you're complaining about.

If anything, the march received more coverage than it's size was worth in the media (about 4-5 thousand)and that was mainly down to the exploits of previous protests.
 
Canon60d said:
Egypt story is important for all of us stupid hooligan student protest no one cares about why are they moaning ?pay your fees it's not up to the taxpayers to cover your fees all students dovish get ****ed everynight and cause trouble in Glasgow anyway the police have a nightmare with them they should have too pay fees they should stop bitching and get on with it and stop drinking what money they do have.
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Grow up.
 
DemiLion said:
Barbara, I really don't understand what you're complaining about.

If anything, the march received more coverage than it's size was worth in the media (about 4-5 thousand)and that was mainly down to the exploits of previous protests.
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Our internet was down all Saturday and so I was wondering if it was the same for everyone or just us. With the way access to the Internet is being stopped in some countries it just made me wonder.:thinking: Thankfully I was wrong.
 
cambsno said:
I bet in Poland you have to do a proper degree and dont have access to the waste of time degrees!
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Oh not really its the same as in Uk, someone can study absolutely anything if really wants to, from banana colours to rocket science.
 
cambsno said:
I bet in Poland you have to do a proper degree and dont have access to the waste of time degrees!
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When I was in London I used to have several Polish people with degree's working for me delivering pizzas on mopeds, they may have had a great education but they could make more money from an unskilled job in another country.
 
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When I was in London I used to have several Polish people with degree's working for me delivering pizzas on mopeds, they may have had a great education but they could make more money from an unskilled job in another country.
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Which is why it's false to claim that the cost of a degree in Poland is far cheaper. The cost of living and average wage is far lower as well.

I'd be interested to know what the comparative cost is.
 
hillwalkinggirl said:
I agree that there are too many degrees which will never offer an opportunity of a job, but there also many degrees, for example Science and Engineering, which are desperately needed by this country. This is what we excel in and is the only way forward for this country. The problem however is that the standard of pay for Science Graduates and Engineering graduates is poor. I am speaking from experience.

Maybe there should be subsidised fees for those who are taking necessary degrees.

The biggest problem with the country being in recession is from people spending money that they don't have. I have always saved up so that I have the money to buy what I want and therefore don't pay out massive amounts of interest to the banks.

I don't mind the fact that in times of recession there have to be cut backs but why should those who have been prudent and saved now suffer by getting no interest on our money whilst those who have squandered our money still get their big bonuses. What on earth do they manage to spend 6 million pound bonuses on?
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I agree, I would make degrees like medicine and physics for example free yet charge for media studies and similar degrees.

Trouble is there is not fair way to make cuts, other than generally reduce expenditure. The banks not owned by Gment are free to pay what they want, and in fairness to Barclays do make large profits which get taxed and create jobs. And in fact the banker getting 6m is not all bad. He may decide to build a swimming pool which means a small business will get a good job out of it, they may go for meals out on a regular basis which keeps local restaurants busy. You only have to look at what happens to local economies when for example a shipbuilder closes, all the suppliers to them struggle. I have no doubt that if a limit of £10k was in place for bankers bonus, small local businesses would suffer.
 
DemiLion said:
I'd be interested to know what the comparative cost is.
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It varies from free state run daytime courses to evening or weekends or private Unis, being charged from 4k up to 13k pln a year. (3.5k an average monthly pay)
Postgraduate are also being charged 3/5k a semester.
Typical student accomodation (room with 2 beds) costs 400/700 pln a month. Depends on standard.
Annual admin fees 200/500 pln depends from school.
 
So taking it at pln->stg face value, the costs are roughly comparative for a standard student*,whilst the average earnings are higher and the Postgrad costs are stratospheric.

It's also worth noting that the fees for En language based courses, such as medicine are about 11,000€ for EU residents which is significantly higher than the UK.


*free tuition aside.
 
DemiLion said:
So taking it at pln->stg face value, the costs are roughly comparative for a standard student*,whilst the average earnings are higher and the Postgrad costs are stratospheric.

It's also worth noting that the fees for En language based courses, such as medicine are about 11,000€ for EU residents which is significantly higher than the UK.


*free tuition aside.
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There are some sort of free grants for not Polish citizens, iam not sure how it works but in Krakow there are many foreign students, many of them are not from EU .
An average wages are higher in numbers in Poland but cost of bread is 2 or 3 pln, in UK its less then 1£ :shrug:
Actuall my family when they visit me are surprised how little some commodities cost.
 
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I was using £1 -> 1pln for comparative only, as you'd given the average wage which makes for easier reading.

Given the current exchange rate of 1:4.8 that makes your bread much cheaper than ours; ie 40-65p per loaf.
 
DemiLion said:
I was using £1 -> 1pln for comparative only, as you'd given the average wage which makes for easier reading.

Given the current exchange rate of 1:4.8 that makes your bread much cheaper than ours; ie 40-65p per loaf.
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:lol: ohh nevermind, if we carry on we could create the biggest off topic in the history of forum threads.:naughty:
 
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