Is there more to photography than photography?

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Call me strange, but since getting 'into' photography I've really enjoyed learning about lenses and functions, I've enjoyed collecting gear and spending all my money on gear too. I think I've actually spent more time researching gear than taking pictures, but I don't consider it a bad thing.

Don't get me wrong, I love taking snaps and that's what the gear does, but I also enjoy comparing gear and generally just collecting photography items.

Am I alone?
 
To me the 'more' to photography is learning about people, life, things going on around me, the places my camera takes me and the trouble it might sometimes get me into.

I like learning about the technical things as well but to me that isnt as fun. Recently Ive been wanted to just go out with the most basic equipment. Sometimes even getting that feeling when you just want to shoot on film :eek:
 
Add me to your list I enjoy reading, buying, talking lens cameras photos and then I try to take some photos so your not alone in what you do
Bob:wave:
 
Call me strange, but since getting 'into' photography I've really enjoyed learning about lenses and functions, I've enjoyed collecting gear and spending all my money on gear too. I think I've actually spent more time researching gear than taking pictures, but I don't consider it a bad thing.

Don't get me wrong, I love taking snaps and that's what the gear does, but I also enjoy comparing gear and generally just collecting photography items.

Am I alone?

No, I think I spend more time reading reviews, buying gear and talking shi.. shop on here than actually taking photos. I blame the weather. :lol:
 
It's all part of the hobby.
Primarily I like capturing images, but probably enjoy post processing as much as going out with the camera.

I like the technical side too, like reading the mags and blathering on forums.
Now I've got a bit of dosh, I like drooling over my next potential purchases.

If I ever start posting threads like 'My wifes gonna kill me, just ordered my 1000mm f1 L lens...sample duck shots here' threads though, KILL ME :naughty:
 
To be honest I think of gear as tools and have no desire to collect anything that I don't actually need. To me, the "more to photography" is the way I look at things when I don't have a camera in my hand, the detail I see and the components and colours that make up what I see have changed immensely since I took up photography.
 
Its every aspect i enjoy, researching, buying, going out on missions/adventures, taking shots, processing, posting and then enjoying the comments from other enthusiasts and friends and family.

I find every part as enjoyable as the other
 
Call me strange, but since getting 'into' photography I've really enjoyed learning about lenses and functions, I've enjoyed collecting gear and spending all my money on gear too. I think I've actually spent more time researching gear than taking pictures, but I don't consider it a bad thing.

Don't get me wrong, I love taking snaps and that's what the gear does, but I also enjoy comparing gear and generally just collecting photography items.

Am I alone?

I don't collect for the sake of it, but have aacquired a few items I use much less than I expected.
I probably do spend more time reading etc. than doing, but that's down to circumstances and not choice.

I think the photographic industry depends on all of us who like to buy camera gear since most of us buy more than we need.
 
I like buying equipment, but for me it's the taking pictures that draws me in, capturing that split second of time. :)
 
This is why digital photography is such a great hobby. It combines the universal release of the creative process, with my personal affectation for fiddling with computers, combined with the inestimable man-pleasure of buying small, heavy, expensive gadgets with lots of buttons.

Can't go wrong.
 
You're not alone, the market suggests that :lol:

But the gear side of it leaves me cold - I wish I could just take the pictures with my hands really - find the camera bit rather annoying.
I'm just obsessed with images
 
Not knocking anyone's enjoyment here - but most Ams are fascinated by gear first and actual photography second. I know I was for my first few years at it and I see it all the time in camera club members too - and there's nothing wrong with that either. It's a hobby to have fun in, however that fun is derived :)

Often though, I see people who've been at it a long time turning more to the art of capture, or PP (darkroom or Lightroom ;)), so the gear becomes largely secondary

If you turn Pro - then usually gear cravings cease altogether as it all simply becomes a tool of the trade. You buy the best for the job within a budget, and usually stick with it until absolutely proven you need something else or it breaks. I only ever glance at gear reviews now to make sure I'm not missing something, whereas once I'd know something (if not stupidly lots) about everything on the then huge Jessops catalogue

I'm not suggesting you grow out of gear love, but circumstances especially, if not simply time, can change your views

I'm all about the image now and gear is less than secondary

DD
 
I'm all about the image now and gear is less than secondary

DD

Sadly, I'm the reverse. I have serious gear lust and I keep having to scratch the itch because I think it will make my pictures better. For instance I just replaced my kit lens with a Tamron 17-50 which cost me nearly £300. The reality is that my pictures are no better with this lens than they were with the kit equivalent.

I've only been at this since Christmas, but I've already spent around £1500.

I'm hoping I develop a good eye, because I don't have it yet. I think they forgot to put the 'pop' in my camera at the factory :shake:
 
Sadly, I'm the reverse. I have serious gear lust and I keep having to scratch the itch because I think it will make my pictures better. For instance I just replaced my kit lens with a Tamron 17-50 which cost me nearly £300. The reality is that my pictures are no better with this lens than they were with the kit equivalent.

I've only been at this since Christmas, but I've already spent around £1500.

I'm hoping I develop a good eye, because I don't have it yet. I think they forgot to put the 'pop' in my camera at the factory :shake:

It's a common myth that you either have the 'eye' or you don't, implying you're wasting your time, effort & money if you don't have it

I think that while there is some truth in it, you can indeed learn & develop an eye for photography even if not naturally gifted. Doing it yourself though is hard - and filled with disappointment

My tip - get out on meets with as many peeps as you can... seeing others 'worse' than you gives you confidence; seeing others much better allows you to ask why? And all will give help & support - togs are usually very sharing people IMO

So for anyone with a camera with no 'pop' installed - find someone who you think has bought the right pop-fueled camera and get out & about with them :thumbs:

DD
 
My tip - get out on meets with as many peeps as you can... seeing others 'worse' than you gives you confidence; seeing others much better allows you to ask why? And all will give help & support - togs are usually very sharing people IMO

One of the nest bits of advice any photographer can offer IMO. I was talking to a friend/fellow horse owner yesterday who was telling me that her son was just getting into photography and has just bought himself a D40. I gave her two pieces of advice to give to him.

1. Join Talk Photography.

2. Come to TP meets.
 
I'll research an item to the nth degree before I buy, but once I've spent my money, I'm more interested in taking pictures, or messing about with the ones I've taken.

I've a friend who can tell you all about the numerous technicalities of photography and equipment, but hasn't put the same effort into learning how to take a great shot.
 
For me its about taking the shots,getting to know about the gear both ancient and modern and meeting other togs whilst out and about.I also have a bit of a missionary zeal in getting non togs into this wonderful hobby of ours
 
The wonderful thing about photography is that it appeals in lots of different ways and at many different levels.

I love pictures and I guess it wouldn't really work for me if that wasn't the case. But I also enjoy the techniques and craft of photography, and the gagdety gorgeousness of the kit.

You can go out and simply enjoy using nice equipment and skill to record a rewarding image, or you can get right into the artistic process in the studio or on the table top and create an image that otherwise simply wouldn't exist.

I find it a tremendously adaptable, versatile and enduring pursuit :)
 
I like taking pictures, but normally enjoy taking them more than looking at them afterwards and PP.
it's a great excuse for going out and seeing new places and taking them in properly
 
It's whatever you want it to be.

My father was a wedding photographer for forty years and for this time, the actual photography came first with the gear just being tools which were upgraded as new models came out (Nikon F, F2, F3, F4, etc).

Last year though he said to me that he is not really a photographer anymore and that he was now a camera collector. He was fascinated by the mechanical precision of cameras from around 1940 to 1980.

I share this love of old mechanical cameras and have my own collection of about thirty and now I need to add to that, my father's collection of another thirty which I have inhereted.

With me it's about a 50-50 split between photographer and collector but I am only talking about older manual gear. I can't get excited about modern plastic boxes with computers in them though!


Steve.
 
I've often thought that there's a spectrum amongst photographers between those whose interest is only with the gear and those whose interest is with the subject matter.

At first I put myself towards the latter end and still largely do, but in order to succeed you do need to know about the gear that will give you the best results within your budget. You learn with experience what works for you and what doesn't and you can pass this knowledge on to others.

Note that the other end of the spectrum is the subject matter - not the image! I've sometimes been surprised that top photographers know so little about their subject matter.

But if you take your photography seriously you soon need to look carefully at your image-making. Too much time thinking about your next gear purchase could hamper this process. The latest gear might give you, for instance, marginally sharper images, but if they're still dull images you're not progressing. Get to know the gear you've got so that image-making becomes second nature.

That's my take on it anyway.
 
I've often thought that there's a spectrum amongst photographers between those whose interest is only with the gear and those whose interest is with the subject matter..
Particularly so on here. I can't believe the no. of members with 1k-2k cameras, yet still enquiring about rudimentary aspects of their camera/photography. And they say there's a recession on!
 
Particularly so on here. I can't believe the no. of members with 1k-2k cameras, yet still enquiring about rudimentary aspects of their camera/photography. And they say there's a recession on!

There was a thread on here a few weeks ago called "All the gear - no idea" which is worth a read. Sorry I haven't worked out how to do links but its on p14 (19/4/09).

By the way, I see you have a kodak brownie? Is that like a chocolate brownie?

Sweet!
 
I do recall it, but couldn't find it. Perhaps it's just me, but money seems to be no object for those you least expect it to be for!

ps. Nope it's not chocolate. Though I do have another Bownie camera I bought in Boston!
 
Oh I love the gear. It's all part of the fun.
I've sold all my kit and jumped ship a few times actually.
I've gone Canon to Sony and now to Nikon, and I certainly wouldn't rule out doing it again :bonk:
I think it's a real buzz.

Although I do very much enjoy taking photo's too :D
 
It's a common myth that you either have the 'eye' or you don't, implying you're wasting your time, effort & money if you don't have it

I think that while there is some truth in it, you can indeed learn & develop an eye for photography even if not naturally gifted. Doing it yourself though is hard - and filled with disappointment

My tip - get out on meets with as many peeps as you can... seeing others 'worse' than you gives you confidence; seeing others much better allows you to ask why? And all will give help & support - togs are usually very sharing people IMO

So for anyone with a camera with no 'pop' installed - find someone who you think has bought the right pop-fueled camera and get out & about with them :thumbs:

DD

Firstly, great thread - I agree with everything said, and finally I don't feel so guilty about all the gear I now have :love: even though it's part hobby / part work.

I would like to add to Diddy Dave's comment about 'having the eye'.

I have stepped in and out of photography since I was about 14, and over the past few years have been on a few courses - some in seminar style groups for Canon users, and had a couple of one-to-one sessions with retired pro togs, and have seen lots of work of other am (and and couple of 'pro')photographers with their varying scales of equipment.

I'm sorry to say that more often that not, the tog with the 'eye' and the 350D or the 400D takes a photo 10 times better than some people with loads of dosh, a 5D, maybe an 'L' series, and no 'eye'. And this is not just me saying this.

For one of my one-to-ones I put some image together to show the tutor what I had done, just so that we didn't go over 'know styles or practice' etc... I was bowled over when he commented that the images I showed him were far better than any he'd seen that week with previous students using 30D's and one with a 5D. At the time I was using my first 350D.

I had to hire a 'pro' tog a few years back for some clients product shots before I got back into photography myself - he had all the kit, the big camera, the studio, the letters after his name... but no eye whatosever, or should I say no eye outside of his only preferred shooting style - technical/industrial photography. Completely bland and flat.

We recently went for a family photo session booked by someone else with a 'pro' - again all the gear, the studio blah blah.. I have only seen one of the shots and it was 'average' - in fact my wife said it was very poor. Other members of my family have seen the other shots and have all commented that the finished images are 'average' or not really what they were expecting. (and no they weren't trying to make me feel good!!).

What I am saying is that you have to have the 'eye' regardless of what kit you have. I agree that if you feel you haven't got it, get out there with people you feel have. You can't buy enthusiasm, you can't buy 'the eye'.

The old addage of "a set of socket spanners does not a mechanic make" is never truer when applied to togs and their kit.
 
I've got into the habit of buying a lot of photography books. Recently I've purchases Susan Sontags On Photography, Robert Franks' The Americans, The Photographers Eye and Ansel Adams 400 Photographs. Planning on building a decent library. It's addictive. It's also a great way to learn the history of photography.
 
I don't know if it's your "thing", KayJay, but Borders have an excellent book on war photography in the bargain section just now, for a fiver.

I'm going to get myself a copy next time I'm passing.
 
Thanks for the heads up. I'm still trying to get my hands on a first edition of Shooter by David Hume Kennerly, but they all seem to be in the States :(
 
Thanks for the heads up. I'm still trying to get my hands on a first edition of Shooter by David Hume Kennerly, but they all seem to be in the States :(

You'll be lucky :lol:


James Nachtwey's "War Photographer" DVD is worth getting too, but again it's only available in the states (unless you want to pay £30+ for a PAL copy :bang:
 
Call me strange, but since getting 'into' photography I've really enjoyed learning about lenses and functions, I've enjoyed collecting gear and spending all my money on gear too. I think I've actually spent more time researching gear than taking pictures, but I don't consider it a bad thing.

Don't get me wrong, I love taking snaps and that's what the gear does, but I also enjoy comparing gear and generally just collecting photography items.

Am I alone?

Ohhh great, then suggest me good lenses for canon 50D which should be adorable and good build. I need one Wide and Multipurpose lens..

my friends said Canon 75mm - 250mm is the best.. is it OK ?

Thanks in Advance:thumbs:

PCP
 
Oh I love the gear. It's all part of the fun.
I've sold all my kit and jumped ship a few times actually.
I've gone Canon to Sony and now to Nikon, and I certainly wouldn't rule out doing it again :bonk:
I think it's a real buzz.

:D

:cuckoo::nono::thinking::shrug:

So each time you have to learn how to use a new system. Seems bonkers to me.....
 
Call me strange, but since getting 'into' photography I've really enjoyed learning about lenses and functions, I've enjoyed collecting gear and spending all my money on gear too. I think I've actually spent more time researching gear than taking pictures, but I don't consider it a bad thing.

Don't get me wrong, I love taking snaps and that's what the gear does, but I also enjoy comparing gear and generally just collecting photography items.

Am I alone?

No, you're not strange or alone, but what you're admitting too is simply terribly ... uncool :eek:!!!

;) Don't get me wrong, I'm with you all the way - I love hobbies which entail lots of expensive, technical equipment, myself and generally enjoy reading about equipment on TP.

The fact is though, this forum (like any other) has it's fair share of people who like to remind us all that "It's the photographer and not the camera ..." etc. etc. Of course, there's a lot of truth in what they say, but the fact that it sounds "cooler" to say that, which means that you tend to hear it more often, IMO ;). Naturally, there are a number of (generally) experienced and/or very pragmatic photographers here, who genuinely do feel that way and have absolutley no regard for what equipment they use, so long as it gives them the images that they desire. My assertion here is that those individuals are less numerous than we might think :|.

It's the same thing as on car/bike forums. Everyone goes there to drool over the hardware, but there's a hardcore of antagonists who can't help questioning the ability of the driver/rider of the vehicle in question with comments like, "What's the point of having a Ferrari if you're not going to use it on the track :shrug:"?

Music's the main offender, though :lol:! Guitar forums are even worse than photography ones, when it comes to the great "Equipment vs. Skills" debate :bang:.

Remember, the Internet's a fairly anonymous medium and so people have the opportunity to lie about themsleves, without being found out. That's just too tempting for some ;).

So, my belief is that the silent majority are actually at least as interested in learning about the equipment and how to use it, as are interested purley in what they see with their own eyes and how they reproduce it :|. They must be - every amateur photographer that I've met in public always wants to talk about what cameras/lenses we're using and never about what we both might actually be photographing at the time :D.



/End_of_Rant
 
You'll be lucky :lol:


James Nachtwey's "War Photographer" DVD is worth getting too, but again it's only available in the states (unless you want to pay £30+ for a PAL copy :bang:


Can I recommend Robert Capa's book Slightly Out Of Focus too. It covers his life and is a very good read!
 
I think you can have it both ways. You can have a natural talent at picking out subjects or you can work at it and develop "the eye".

Well, I hope so anyway :)
 
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