Is there a God?

Cobra said:
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I think I covered that bit and so the canonites and nikonites came in from the darkness so that they might 'tog :shrug:
Not that I have seen any references to "books" in your "arguement"




quote Genisis 1-3 :26 &:27
Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth."
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.

Darwin (amoungst others) knocked that on its arse
with the "voyage of the Beagle"
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well of a biblical CANON has nothing to do with cananites. and like I said nothing the bible says knocks god on its arse because god can exist with nothing to do with religion or christianity.

Genesis can easily be discredited if your a christian as not important, and so can it be thought of as just poetic and all that, but you really need to know about the history of the old testement, context, and jewish tradition to understand and I don't really have the effort to explain that atm, have a google of some stuff though, and you'll see.

its also important to note that Darwin's theory is a theory. It's not scientifically proven. Although I'm not saying it's not true, but it's not certain, so I'm just saying its not really that barmy to be a creationist.
 
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Yantorsen said:
and like I said nothing the bible says knocks god on its arse because god can exist with nothing to do with religion or christianity.
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Of course you won't find Darwin in the bible the guy didn't set sail 'till 1831 :bang:
Yantorsen said:
Genesis can easily be discredited if your a christian as not important, and so can it be thought of as just poetic and all that, but you really need to know about the history of the old testement, context, and jewish tradition to understand and I don't really have the effort to explain that atm, have a google of some stuff though, and you'll see.
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I am quite capable of taking the bile ( new and old Testament.) apart without any help, from you, but as you are so easy to wind up and I am bored, at the momenet that I shall continue to play devils advocate :thumbs:
well at least until tea time anyway :D
 
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Well I thought you were just windin me up but oh well.

this forums rather unintrested in religion, most forums seem to thrive on it.
 
Yantorsen said:
Well I thought you were just windin me up but oh well.

this forums rather unintrested in religion, most forums seem to thrive on it.
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TBH
politics and religion seem to be an unwritten :nono: law around here
 
fabs said:
Actually most forums thrive on a good virtual punch up and religion is just one of the best subjects for it.
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no a lot of forums thrive on a good intellectual debate, which was what I was hoping for.

hasn't really worked though.
 
Yantorsen said:
............hasn't really worked though.
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No but it was good fun for a few hours :thumbs:
FYI I am a atheaist but did study ( mostly the Christian with some Jewish "input" ) religion at length some years ago just for the "hell" of it.
 
Because there are two subjects which always end up in tears, and that's religion and politics.

We're a very friendly bunch on here. I'm sure you've had a fairly good discussion so far. Were you hoping for some gloved face slapping and jousting? :D
 
Marcel said:
Because there are two subjects which always end up in tears, and that's religion and politics.

We're a very friendly bunch on here. I'm sure you've had a fairly good discussion so far. Were you hoping for some gloved face slapping and jousting? :D
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Always enjoy a bit of jousting on a forum! :lol: The glove slapping is usually done at weekends in private. :eek:
 
Marcel said:
Because there are two subjects which always end up in tears, and that's religion and politics.

We're a very friendly bunch on here. I'm sure you've had a fairly good discussion so far. Were you hoping for some gloved face slapping and jousting? :D
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Marcel said:
We're a very friendly bunch on here. I'm sure you've had a fairly good discussion so far. Were you hoping for some gloved face slapping and jousting? :D
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no was just hoping there'd be a few less people so against the idea of even discussing it, seems closed minded to me.

and I was hoping there might be a few more people with a diverse spread on opinion and people would be willing to discuss what they think.
 
Yantorsen said:
no was just hoping there'd be a few less people so against the idea of even discussing it, seems closed minded to me.

and I was hoping there might be a few more people with a diverse spread on opinion and people would be willing to discuss what they think.
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It's not that, it's because we're all old enough, mature enough, daft enough, and weathered enough :p to know where such discussions usually end...so why bother ;)
 
Marcel said:
It's not that, it's because we're all old enough, mature enough, daft enough, and weathered enough :p to know where such discussions usually end...so why bother ;)
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because I've had succesful debates online before, and I find it intresting.
 
There's lots of things we should be able to discuss sensibly, but there are certain subjects which we all know you can't discuss without some people getting very upset. Religion and politics are two very obvious ones - Fox hunting and shooting sports in general are others - it works every time - instant bun fight.

There's nothing at all to be achieved by letting this run IMHO and I think the mods are being very good in just not locking it.
 
I think it'd be rather autocratic to just lock it, but who am I.


either way I don't see whats wrong with a "bun fight" so long as it does not get personal, sure people are going to disagree and stuff, but as long as everyone is respectful and understands thats just what debate is, you have a thread where everyones just a sheep and agrees to avoid a "bun fight".
 
Yantorsen said:
I think it'd be rather autocratic to just lock it, but who am I.


either way I don't see whats wrong with a "bun fight" so long as it does not get personal, sure people are going to disagree and stuff, but as long as everyone is respectful and understands thats just what debate is, you have a thread where everyones just a sheep and agrees to avoid a "bun fight".
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Well given that the forum is owned by me, marcel and df, its up to us what we do, so yeah, it is pretty autocratic...:D
 
yeah i know you can do what you want, but in the intrests of free speech and freedom of expression i dont think the thread should be closed, although it may aswell now because its been ruined.
 
people have been taking it off-topic, dunno who though...
 
With the title "Is there a God?" surely if you didn;t want a religion debate, you wouldn;t enter it.

Like I never enter the Nudity and Glamour section, cos I don;t want to look at nudity and glamour...................
 
lawrie29 said:
With the title "Is there a God?" surely if you didn;t want a religion debate, you wouldn;t enter it.

Like I never enter the Nudity and Glamour section, cos I don;t want to look at nudity and glamour...................
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yh but people come in just to moan about it.
 
in the 3 years ive run this forum, ive seen enough religion threads go pearshaped, and in the 3 years before that modding on other forums ive seen the same thing.

its time to leave it now.
 
who? said:
I believe that this thread is trolling.

I believe that the sun will come up tomorrow.

I have no belief that the sun will come up because it is tied to anyone's chariot or being pushed by a dung beetle.

I believe that Yantorsen seems to think denigrating non-believers is a good idea.

I have no problem with people believing what they want but I have no interest in having them spout their mumbo jumbo at me on a photography forum.

There are plenty of forums for discussion of belief systems - I think this topic should go visit one of them.
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Hear Hear !!
 
You heard about the dyslexic agnostic insomniac...who laid awake all night wondering if there really is a dog?:lol:
 
lawrie29 said:
Religion has been a very Good way of controlling people over the years. If you think about it, all religion does is gives you a set of standards to live your life by, and a "higher power" to which you will have to answer to if you don't follow the rules.

These days, with no religion, and no control, look at what is happening to society.

I'm not saying that all the controls that religion puts on people have been, in my opinion, good. Look at the treatment of homosexuality, women, people with disabilities etc.

But, if you look at the principle of no sex before marriage. It meant, in a time before contraception, that not only were diseases largely controlled, but that children where bought into the world with 2 or more people to support them, where no one else would be able to help.

Now we have contraception, a society that is showing that marriage is too big a commitment, and more teenage pregnancies and children born out of wedlock than ever.

Now, I'm not saying that this is outright a bad thing, but it's not the best, and every situation is different.

A couple these days finds it easier to have a child (or buy a house) than to commit to marriage. Even though of the three, the marriage is arguably the one with least commitment. With a child, you are tied to the other person for life, and with a house you are jointly responcible until one of you buys t'other one out, or you both sell up. And with the housing market like it is, that will be very hard.

At least with a marriage (and I have 7 years of it under my belt, and 2 kids, and a house) you can not see each other for a year, have a few minutes in court and it's like it never happened.

Personally, I think the Media is the new religion. It's the only method of control in society. If you want everyone to know about something, you don't pass it round a group of leaders who can then talk to massive congregations. Nope, you post it on the net, get a tv ad, or get the message over through a tv show of some kind.

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:clap::clap::clap: Well said that man. excellent,:thumbs:
 
lawrie29 said:
Religion has been a very Good way of controlling people over the years. If you think about it, all religion does is gives you a set of standards to live your life by, and a "higher power" to which you will have to answer to if you don't follow the rules.
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Totaly, totally agree.

lawrie29 said:
At least with a marriage (and I have 7 years of it under my belt, and 2 kids, and a house) you can not see each other for a year, have a few minutes in court and it's like it never happened.
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:eek: Sorry, but how wrong you are. A 'simple' divorce will take months, and 'normal' divorce will take more than a year.

I seperated from my first wife nearly eight years ago now, and I'm still going through Court to this day, trying to reslove things :bat:
 
my 2p:

I studied physics, and as such, I tend to form my opinions once I have reviewed fact and evidence. Sadly, there is nothing in any religion that offers factual proof of the existence of their respective "god".

I will not enter into a debate about how the universe started, how it was formed, what was before it, etc etc, because neither science nor religion has any proof of what happened.

There are other aspects of religion that do appeal however. The whole God is all powerfull and "can" and "did" do certain things aside, it is in human nature to believe in something far greater than themselves, and I can see the appeal in believing in something greater that has the capacity to do good, and be a good guide in life. However it all falls apart for me when morons decide to take certain texts in a context which validates their own agenda. That is not to say I do believe in a greater power, I'm simply conceeding the point that the concept can help certain people through life.
 
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Man created Gods as soon as he started to understand the concept of death.

Most religions are harmless, some however, are not.

And yes, I have morals! I do not need to believe in a mythical being to have some.
 
Where are these new members coming from? I don't believe in either of 'em. :suspect:
 
how do you define good and evil? You can't just claim that objective morality exists, that idea came from religion.
 
i prefer terry pratchetts disc world idea of gods.their existence is a direct corolation of how much belief ther is in them.
if they have lots of belief, they are powerfull.
if no one believes in them, they cease to exist.
personaly, i'll remain open minded.
i believe i exist, therefore i am.
 
Yantorsen said:
how do you define good and evil? You can't just claim that objective morality exists, that idea came from religion.
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Common sense?

I mean, you guys should know you're not supposed to kill someone. Or did religion invent that as well?


Not trying to start anything, I'm a pacifist you know. :D
 
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Jesus said:
Common sense?

I mean, you guys should know you're not supposed to kill someone. Or did religion invent that as well?


Not trying to start anything, I'm a pacifist you know. :D
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why is that common sense?

its nothing to do with common sense, its becase theres no point, it doesn't benefit you and your likely to suffer because of it (go to jail).
 
It has everything to do with common sense. You say there is no point to commit murder. Well, in a society that didn't condone such an act, everyone would kill each other for multiple reasons. Land, money, oil... wait.. we do that now right?
 
LOL. Waaay back in the Stone Age, if not before, people had to start laying down ground rules along the lines of....

"Look, this is no good, I kill one of your family - you kill one of mine. I bang your missus while she's tanning the mammoth skin, you come round and hump my old lady while she's pegging the washing out. Let's be sensible and ban this nonsense and try to get along, ...perhaps call it "The law'" ;)
 
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