Is there a God?

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Just thought it'd be interesting to have a civilised discussion about what different TP member believe about God.

Can I have a poll please, "what are you?" agnostic, atheist, or theist.

I dunno if this will be popular on this forum, but its been interesting and worked well on other forums...

So I'll start, I'm an agnostic, but find philosophy, ethics, and religion very interesting.
 
Personally, the whole religion thing leaves me a bit cold. I just can't get my head around the concept of God etc, when there is so much scientific evidence in the modern world to prove that such a concept is untrue. Even 100 years ago, so little was understood that people could have made a credible argument for 'a higher power', for want of a better term.

The only religion I have any time for really is Buddhism, as this is a religion of your own mind, rather than worshipping any Gods.

And anyway, if there was a God, why would He let people be Muslim, or Hindi, or Pagan, or any other religion you care to think of?

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Personally, the whole religion thing leaves me a bit cold. I just can't get my head around the concept of God etc, when there is so much scientific evidence in the modern world to prove that such a concept is untrue.

There is no proof what so ever that a god doesn't exists, that doesn't make sense, you can't disprove a god by definition.
 
But you can't prove one either. I have no problem with people being religious, and I know many people get an awful lot of benefit from it, it's just not for me. :)
 
On the other hand there is no proof whatsoever that any god does exist.

I'll be bowing out of this debate since I'm with Mr Dawkins and I know from past experience that there is nothing to be gained from attempting to discuss beliefs. There is no rational argument to be had.
 
Using the definition: Theist: belief in the existence of a god or gods (opposed to atheism).

- I am one of them!!

But more accurately I somewhere between a "Theist" and a "Deist". Does that make me a Thdeist, or just confused. :thinking:
 
But you can't prove one either. I have no problem with people being religious, and I know many people get an awful lot of benefit from it, it's just not for me. :)

Yeah I know.

But then strictly you can't prove anything outside of maths.
 
Using the definition: Theist: belief in the existence of a god or gods (opposed to atheism).

- I am one of them!!

But more accurately I somewhere between a "Theist" and a "Deist". Does that make me a Thdeist, or just confused. :thinking:

for the sake of this argument we'll say its the same, it pretty much is anyway, just Deist is more specific, and the definition of god is too strict anyway.
 
ok this discussion is a bit dead.... let me pose a question...

Is atheism a religion?
 
nobody really seems to care that much on this forum, most forums are full of people who want to give there two pence on this topic.
 
Fantastic discussion, I'm a man of science, not faith.

Without religion would there be anywhere near as much genocide and evil around the world? people killing each other just because they are a different religion?

However being directly employed by a religious organization i best make my exit!
 
its a photography forum, and to be honest, religion and politics dont belong here really, even in out of focus.
 
Fantastic discussion, I'm a man of science, not faith.

Without religion would there be anywhere near as much genocide and evil around the world? people killing each other just because they are a different religion?

However being directly employed by a religious organization i best make my exit!

but then equally mass murder and genocide has been committed in the name of atheism, such as with Stalin.
 
There is such a thing as God and Lemmy is his name. :D
 
As a Christian it does amaze me how much vitriol flows towards us on any internet forum that brings yp the subject.

For the record I freely admit that RELIGION has brought about much suffering to humanity over the years but the key word is religion as opposed to faith and a total inability by extremists of all religions to accept thyat others have a right to their own beliefs.

I believe in God because of personal experience but I totally accept that others have differing beliefs,all I ask is that am allowed to pursue my faith without being slagged off as a religious nutter or fanatic every time the subject gets brought up.
 
Religion has been a very Good way of controlling people over the years. If you think about it, all religion does is gives you a set of standards to live your life by, and a "higher power" to which you will have to answer to if you don't follow the rules.

These days, with no religion, and no control, look at what is happening to society.

I'm not saying that all the controls that religion puts on people have been, in my opinion, good. Look at the treatment of homosexuality, women, people with disabilities etc.

But, if you look at the principle of no sex before marriage. It meant, in a time before contraception, that not only were diseases largely controlled, but that children where bought into the world with 2 or more people to support them, where no one else would be able to help.

Now we have contraception, a society that is showing that marriage is too big a commitment, and more teenage pregnancies and children born out of wedlock than ever.

Now, I'm not saying that this is outright a bad thing, but it's not the best, and every situation is different.

A couple these days finds it easier to have a child (or buy a house) than to commit to marriage. Even though of the three, the marriage is arguably the one with least commitment. With a child, you are tied to the other person for life, and with a house you are jointly responcible until one of you buys t'other one out, or you both sell up. And with the housing market like it is, that will be very hard.

At least with a marriage (and I have 7 years of it under my belt, and 2 kids, and a house) you can not see each other for a year, have a few minutes in court and it's like it never happened.

Personally, I think the Media is the new religion. It's the only method of control in society. If you want everyone to know about something, you don't pass it round a group of leaders who can then talk to massive congregations. Nope, you post it on the net, get a tv ad, or get the message over through a tv show of some kind.

peice said.
 
..and there was me thinking that this forum would be one place that religion would not raise its ugly head. :annoyed::annoyed::annoyed:

The forum is called TALK PHOTOGRAPHY :bang: :bang: :bang:
 
..and there was me thinking that this forum would be one place that religion would not raise its ugly head. :annoyed::annoyed::annoyed:

The forum is called TALK PHOTOGRAPHY :bang: :bang: :bang:

amen

well thats a bit boring...

Maybe, but if this descends into a fight like it normally does on forums then you will get a ban for trolling, seeing as you started the thread. ;)
 
Religion causes more trouble in the world than any other single thing or issue. It always has, and I suspect it always will. It's usually the same on forums. ;)

The bottom line is we're the only creature as far as we know anyway with the big brain large enough to wonder about such things and consider our own mortality. For me, it starts and ends right there- it's a fear- driven ego trip.

When the reaper calls that's it - zippo, nada, flat line on a screen, game over! If people would just accept that and get on with this life instead of trying to earn brownie points in what they believe will be the next, this world would be a far, far better place.
 
I don't agree that religion causes all the trouble we see around us, it's peoples intolerance of other folks beliefs that causes the trouble.

I believe in God, you may not, but I don't want to harm you because of that!

Tolerance of each other is the key.
 
In it's widest sense, yes it could be.

Question: does considering atheism as a religion help you in understanding the human condition?

I guess that depends which human condition your talking about...
 


Maybe, but if this descends into a fight like it normally does on forums then you will get a ban for trolling, seeing as you started the thread. ;)

I don't see why religion is any different to any other topic, you can't just be a fascist and ban religious discussion (of course you can but it'd be silly).

Of course if it gets out of hand and people become personal then that is different, but as long as people are willing to share there beliefs and they are willing to have there belief criticised (in a polite and controlled way) then I see no problem. I am certainly not going to become personal about it or insultive, however if it became that eay then please feel free to close the thread.
 
These days, with no religion, and no control, look at what is happening to society.

or alternatively you could say that its not because religion is controlling in the kind of iron fisted way, but it actually provides people with a reason to be well behaved, and a moral framework, and a desire to please "god".
 
but then equally mass murder and genocide has been committed in the name of atheism, such as with Stalin.

Nothing has been committed "in the name of atheism". Simply, Stalin was an atheist. Atheism is nothing other than a belief there is no god. It's not a religion, a culture, a framework for life or anything else. It's purely a lack of a belief in a god or gods. As an atheist, I may well have nothing else in common with any other atheist aside from not believing in a god.
 
Nothing has been committed "in the name of atheism". Simply, Stalin was an atheist. Atheism is nothing other than a belief there is no god. It's not a religion, a culture, a framework for life or anything else. It's purely a lack of a belief in a god or gods. As an atheist, I may well have nothing else in common with any other atheist aside from not believing in a god.

I disagree. Stalin (amongst other comunist states like china) activatley tried to abolish religion by killing people.

So if you like he did it in the name of "anti-religion", but that may as well be atheism.

And your also incorrect on your definiation of an atheist. your describing and agnostic when you say "IT's purely a lack of belief in a god or gods". Athiesm is the beleif that there is no god or gods, theres a subtle difference, but there is one, and its crucial.

And because of that atheism is just as much a position of faith as a theistic position.
 
Oh my god........
 
<---wondering what Yantorsen will do with all his spare time when he gets banned....again :lol:
 
I disagree. Stalin (amongst other comunist states like china) activatley tried to abolish religion by killing people.

So if you like he did it in the name of "anti-religion", but that may as well be atheism.

And your also incorrect on your definiation of an atheist. your describing and agnostic when you say "IT's purely a lack of belief in a god or gods". Athiesm is the beleif that there is no god or gods, theres a subtle difference, but there is one, and its crucial.

And because of that atheism is just as much a position of faith as a theistic position.

Sorry, but you're incorrect. Agnosticism is the belief that one cannot prove a god does or doesn't exist. Or from the dictionary, an agnostic is "a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God.". Look it up.

Atheism is simply a lack of belief in god/belief there is no god. Same difference. Atheism has no requirement for faith. As an atheist, I am not making any belief claim and so how would I possibly need any faith?

Atheism isn't "anti-religion" at all. Some atheists may be anti-religion, some others may not care less about religion.
 
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Thank God I'm an Atheist!!

Let's keep religion off this forum!

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