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Just seen a transvestite going into the ladies toilet in Morrison's......is that even legal...?

Don't get me wrong....I am all for everyone expressing there right to be what they want to be but surely that can't be right.....I know my wife wouldn't appreciate it....
 
Right? ... it won't be long before women are banned!
 
We had one where I used to work, albeit I've been retired 11 years, and he used the mens toilet (he would not have been allowed to use the ladies).

It was however a strange (weird) experience to be standing at the urinal having a pee, and have "him" come and stand next to you, hitch up his skirt and pee into the urinal. :eek:

Dave
 
I'd find it hard to believe there are any legalities over who can use a particular WC (happy to be proved wrong) are you sure it wasn't just some really rough bird :eek:
 
MWHCVT said:
I'd find it hard to believe there are any legalities over who can use a particular WC (happy to be proved wrong) are you sure it wasn't just some really rough bird :eek:
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Def a bloke....... forgetting about the legalities...... I would hate to have a guy using the ladies especially if there were thing girls using the loo at the same time....not saying that he was a paedophile but you can see how a pervert could use the tranny tactic to gain access to young children......
 
Many years ago, I used to work in a gay bar and rather than having ladies' and gents' karzis, they were labelled bitch and butch.

As a kid, an uncle went into the ladies thinking the sign said laddies.
 
archangel said:
Def a bloke....... forgetting about the legalities...... I would hate to have a guy using the ladies especially if there were thing girls using the loo at the same time....not saying that he was a paedophile but you can see how a pervert could use the tranny tactic to gain access to young children......
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To be fair though you asked if it was legal :)

It's not an easy question to answer though as where to you draw the line Neil raises a point above about being pre/post OP etc as I believe not that I've researched it that those who go through gender reassignment can/do legally change their gender...

Another point is that we are talking ladies loos, last time I went into a ladies I'll admit it was a long time ago when running a bar, your talking about locked cubicles not a lot chance to be a perve without be extremely obvious. I suspect your being a touch paranoid with that avenue of thought
 
There is no legislation that makes this unlawful.

Fairly sure it would be illegal (due to gender discrimination) to prevent a transgender individual entering the toilets of a certain sex.

This is classic social convention over statute borne rules.
 
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I'm not sure there's actually a law about a man not using a female toilet or vice versa - sure you could commit an offence by indecent exposure etc , plus you'd be trespassing by being on private premises where you aren't meant to be , but its not actually illegal per se

(which is just as well as I'm sure a lot of blokes have nipped into the ladies when they are desperate for a crap and the single toilet in the blokes is occupied [/scrivens] )
 
neil_g said:
Also where do you draw the line? For example on the flip side is it wrong for a father to take a young daughter into the gents/men's changing area?
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Absolutely, you see this quite a lot TBH. (I've done it)

I have a few female friends that admit to going into the gents, if there is a silly queue for the ladies.
Can't blame them really, if you've gotta go you gotta go :D
But can you imagine the up roar if it was vice verca? which of course leads us back to the OP.
As for illegal, I'm sure that there is a bye-law somewhere or othe,r that prevents it.
As Moose said, indecent exposure type thing.
 
Cobra said:
As Moose said, indecent exposure type thing.
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that's only going to be an issue if you get your bits out in front of the opposite sex though (or go looking for them getting their bits out) - if as matt said its all cubicles there's not much chance of that , so the only offence being committed will be trespass which is civil not criminal
 
If you gotta pee you gotta pee.
It's toilets.
Gender specific public conveniences are a bit neanderthal imo.
 
There's no main stream (no pun intended) legislation stopping it. There may be bye laws though.
But it would be difficult to prove anyway, he/she wouldn't have to prove anything, the prosecution would have to show prove that he/she wasn't male. That's very difficult to do unless he/she co-operates.

As a side issue there was a part converted transgender person who used to ply for trade in South London's red light area. Now a man couldn't, and probably still can't be prosecuted for being a, as the law defined it 'common prostitute'. Which this person took great umbridge at, and as a consquence used to plead not guilty to being a male importuning, the male equivalent offence, on the grounds that they considered themselves female. But the law as it stood, and I think still does, defines you sex as that you were born as.
 
If they aren't taking the hint you are being too subtle ... I find asking "when you last went to the beach , were you embarrassed by all the attention ? " "attention ?" "yeah you know the guys from green peace trying to roll you back into the sea" ;) is pretty effective
 
I think, birth certificate wise, they have just changed the two gender labels we all know, and opened it up to gather the real sex details, its part of an effort to eliminate labelling a huge amount of people incorrectly, which then goes one to affect life choices n barriers etcetera.
 
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MWHCVT said:
To be fair though you asked if it was legal :)

It's not an easy question to answer though as where to you draw the line Neil raises a point above about being pre/post OP etc as I believe not that I've researched it that those who go through gender reassignment can/do legally change their gender...

Another point is that we are talking ladies loos, last time I went into a ladies I'll admit it was a long time ago when running a bar, your talking about locked cubicles not a lot chance to be a perve without be extremely obvious. I suspect your being a touch paranoid with that avenue of thought
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Been in bars and clubs where women used the cubicles in the Gents due to the queues at the Ladies .... Standing room only :-)

Legal?
 
archangel said:
I would hate to have a guy using the ladies especially if there were thing girls using the loo at the same time....not saying that he was a paedophile but you can see how a pervert could use the tranny tactic to gain access to young children......
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This logic is quite simply ridiculous.

a) Not all pedophiles are men.
b) Many pedophiles are not gender specific, and therefore can be equally evil in the toilets 'belonging' to their respective sex.

Do you not think the transsexual / transvestite community feel uncomfortable enough in public? If it was that obvious to you that he (may have been /) was a she, then it's hardly a 'good disguise' to use to go around abusing children is it?

As I've mentioned before elsewhere on this forum, until very recently I shared toilets with 30 women. (I'm a straight male, just happened to be the only bloke in the workplace.)
To begin with I was uneasy about using 'their' toilets (no 'male' WC available,) but it then just became a normal thing. It didn't bother me, and it didn't bother the girls.
 
I always dreaded having to go into the ladies- we had two female bouncers in the club but if they were both off and there was an issue then one of the guys would be sent in. You're dressed as a doorman so it's not just a random guy but there's that initial feeling of 'this isn't right' so definitely a kind of social taboo- quickly goes away when you encounter the reason why you're there in the first place though:eek::D
 
ACW said:
To begin with I was uneasy about using 'their' toilets (no 'male' WC available,) but it then just became a normal thing. It didn't bother me, and it didn't bother the girls.
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Aye, until you let rip and they had to clean it.
 
archangel said:
....not saying that he was a paedophile but you can see how a pervert could use the tranny tactic to gain access to young children......
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Really? Like all those undercover paedophiles working in childcare, schools, hospitals ... and thousands of other occupations and general things blokes do in life that brings them into contact with children.
 
yeah because male paedophiles like to draw attention to themselves by dressing up as women FFS
 
I didn't say that trannies are paedophiles....... I just said that it could be used as a possible guise........ and I know that there are lady paedophiles also........and yes there are loads of opportunities for those intent on harming children in various locations.......

Just saying that I found it unusual as it is not something I come across everyday and I am sure that there are many mothers and women out there that would be unhappy that a bloke in a dress is taking a crap in the cubicle next to them........
 
Bernie174 said:
But the law as it stood, and I think still does, defines you sex as that you were born as.
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Is changed. You can apply to have legal recognition of your new gender under the gender recognition act

archangel said:
Just saying that I found it unusual as it is not something I come across everyday and I am sure that there are many mothers and women out there that would be unhappy that a bloke in a dress is taking a crap in the cubicle next to them........
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Are you sure you're not simply projecting your own opinions onto someone else?
 
We already have unisex toilets all over the place, in public areas, shopping centres, offices and factories, cinemas.,. the list goes on and on.

They are easily seen and are toilets for the disabled. Other place for unisex facilties include trains planes AND coaches.

So I think we would find the fairer sex are desensitised to the matter as in when needs must.....

Non issue here.

Steve
 
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boyfalldown said:
Are you sure you're not simply projecting your own opinions onto someone else?
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Opinion! Yes!
Projected unto others! No!

It was merely an observation followed by my thoughts. Personally it doesn't annoy me either way ...After all it was something that caught my eye.

I have just asked the office girl and the cleaning lady......What would their thoughts be......both have just said that they would be uncomfortable with it.....
 
I went into the gents toilet at a concert recently and there was about as many women stood in there waiting for the cubicles while the guys were using the urinals without batting an eyelid. If it was illegal there could of been a half empty venue that night. Basically, if they're not 'overtly' watching what you're doing, who cares!

As for the changing room situation. When I was around 14/15 years old I was getting changes to go swimming, the cubicles were mainly open doorways with partition walls, and in walks this very good looking lady with her 2/3 year old son and starts getting undressed to get changed and while naked she sorted her son out. You could imagine what a couple of teens were like with a naked woman about six feet away for a good five minutes. I really don't know if she did it on purpose knowing we were watching but I have to admit to enjoying it very much. And until this thread I never once thought about the possible paedophile thing but I certainly wouldn't of dreamed about making a complaint.
 
archangel said:
I have just asked the office girl and the cleaning lady......What would their thoughts be......both have just said that they would be uncomfortable with it.....
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As would most of the population, despite feeling compelled to accept it due to the pressure of the 'PC brigade' ... of course there is the alternative view, a la the swimming pool experience.
 
MagicMynx said:
Can't believe this nonesense tbh. Were they hurting you or anyone else? Does it matter? Is it going to matter in 10 years? Would you like to be judged for your physical appearance like that person is being? I'm guessing the answer is probably no....
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First of all this is not a Witch hunt....I have made it quite clear from the start that I have no objection to what a Transvestite does regarding their toilet habits. What I was originally asking was if it was "legal" for a man to use a ladies designated toilet. At no point have I judged the individual on his/her appearance....I have merely highlighted possible factors which may or may not cause concern for other toilet users. I have accepted that there are many variables such as Post Op gender change and the legal right to be accepted as a woman but it still causes concern to some people (such as my office girl). It won't matter in 10 years or even possibly in the next ten days and as for being judged on physical appearance we are all guilty of judging people on what they wear, their size or their physical looks, only this morning I passed opinion on the model as being very pretty as well as passing a comment about a guy in the garage as being filthy and unclean in his soiled sweat pants, does this make me judgemental of course it does. none the less this thread was regarding whether it was legal for a man dressed in ladies clothes to enter a woman designated toilet..
 
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