Is it possible to be a real national hero?

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Im talking along the lines of Drake, Nelson and Wellington, where you would get large swathes of london set aside have statues of you erected? A lot of these seem to be military based so i guess tree huggers who might plug the ozone hole might not get the recognition they may deserve.

Do you think its possible to get that sort of national recognition any more?
 
Well I'd nominate Peter Higgs as someone worthy of that kind of monument.
 
Not military wise in this day and age, nor political figures in my opinion.
I think folk are too angry at seeing our young real heroes killed for political posturing and as for those politicians themselves...I realise there are decent ones but they are certainly tarnished by the whole political system.
 
when they start giving knighthoods to people for being really really good at riding a pushbike.. then you know its all gone to pot....

Rubbish.
 
when they start giving knighthoods to people for being really really good at riding a pushbike.. then you know its all gone to pot....

When they start giving knighthoods to "entrepreneurs" who get rich(er) by asset stripping while their businesses go bust, er, hang on....

When they start giving knighthoods to "celebrities" who raise money for charity while molesting children over decades, oops...

When they start giving knighthoods to "financiers" whose greed and crass incompetence nearly bankrupts the economy, oh....

When they start giving knighthoods for the heroic deed of being a political aide to the prime minister, ah but...

When they start giving knighthoods to the future dictators of African countries, eh...

Oh well, at least we live in a meritocracy where titles aren't handed down based on the centuries old deeds, probably unacceptable by modern standards, of your ancestors...
 
When they start giving knighthoods to "entrepreneurs" "celebrities" "financiers" the heroic deed of being a political aide to the prime minister, future dictators of African countries,

Yeagh but can they ride a pushbike really really good...
 
Yeagh but can they ride a pushbike really really good...

Are you seriously suggesting that to repeatedly be crowned best in the world at cycling, in doing so inspiring others who follow in your footsteps and themselves become best in the world, is a trivial thing?
 
Are you seriously suggesting that to repeatedly be crowned best in the world at cycling, in doing so inspiring others who follow in your footsteps and themselves become best in the world, is a trivial thing?

I would think so, I've seen the young ones do gymnastic type stuff locally with a bike that is out of this world.
 
There can be no harder working with no salary, dedication and love for their role than a parent or guardian, the rest is/are following a hobby/dream apart from Doctors, nurses, Police etc..anyone who physically helps others just because they want to, never mind the remuneration.

That's who needs real recognition.
 
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I would think so, I've seen the young ones do gymnastic type stuff locally with a bike that is out of this world.


Can't tell if trolling...
 
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Can't tell if trolling...

No, I know they put everything into it but racing around a wooden circuit or along a tarmac road ...really?
 
There can be no harder working with no salary, dedication and love for their role than a parent or guardian, the rest is/are following a hobby/dream apart from Doctors, nurses, Police etc..anyone who physically helps others just because they want to, never mind the remuneration.

That's who needs real recognition.

No, I know they put everything into it but racing around a wooden circuit or along a tarmac road ...really?


That's like saying Sir Edmund Hillary was a just bloke who walked uphill for ages.

The OP asked about heroes. A hero is someone who shows you that things, which you didn't think possible, are actually possible. Look at the heroes from ancient (Hercules and his 12 labours, the Odyssey, the miracles of Jesus') and modern (Superman and James Bond saving the world) mythology. Likewise our real life heroes are people who achieve superhuman feats, in the sense that they are things no human has ever done before. This is why Edmund Hillary is a hero, but the hundreds of people who now climb Everest each year are not, and why Bradley Wiggins is a hero (just read the first para of his wikipedia article), but the kids down your local park are not (yet).

The "everyday heroism" of parents and medics is commendable, but we have a pretty well established model for parenthood so it's really more of an expectation that people will try to do the best for their kids. Likewise, medicine is a well established profession now with standards to be met. Pioneers do get recognition and hero status (Florence Nightingale, Marie Curie, Alexander Fleming...). What you are saying, and I am assuming you are a parent is that you want to be recognised as a hero for the things you do. Or to put it less confrontationally, you want the things you believe are truly important to be recognised. In any case, I would say the best way to reward hard-working parents and overworked/underpaid doctors and nurses is not to build statues and monuments for them, but to promote, through employment law and other gov't policy, a healthy work-family life balance, and to invest more in the health system. To be a bit controversial, why are medics special? What about the mechanic who fixes your car so you can get to work to put a roof over your family's heads, or the slaughterhouse worker who kills animals to make the food you eat to survive, why don't they deserve hero status?

As a society, we seem to have decided that elite sporting success, excellence in the arts and sciences (and climbing the greasy-pole to become a lickspittle member of the establishment) are endeavours we deem worthy of recognition and reward.

Anyway, on a lighter note, on the subject of parenting...
http://www.theguardian.com/lifeands...jun/18/stephen-collins-on-fathers-day-cartoon
 
No, I know they put everything into it but racing around a wooden circuit or along a tarmac road ...really?

Yes. When they are the very best in the world by far, at what they do, absolutely.
 
When they start giving knighthoods to politicians who built their careers on lies and fearmongering...

They already have. All Camoron's cronies just got their knighthoods and massive speaking fees.

Mr Farage will be called many things (as he already is), but national hero won't be one of them.

Wait and see. As the globalist plans collapse with the inevitable election of Trump in the US this fall things will never be so backwards again.
 
One six pack short of a can?
 
A real national hero for me would be Beatrix Potter, :clap:g
 
I'm not quite sure if hero is the right word, but if we are talking about building statues on a National basis David Attenborough would be up there for me. I think it is more icons than heros now days.
 
No chance of a nationally accepted hero. To many jealous arm chair warriors who think they could do better if they had .... [fill in to your liking; money time political affiliation friend blah blah] You see it already in this thread. Quite a sad state of affairs really.
 
They already have. All Camoron's cronies just got their knighthoods and massive speaking fees.



Wait and see. As the globalist plans collapse with the inevitable election of Trump in the US this fall things will never be so backwards again.

Very pleased to see that this has become increasingly unlikely as the RNC try to find ways to get rid of this vile man from the presidential ticket. It is probably not going to happen with a month to go but what a peverted creep. Immoral, mysogynist, racist..and the list goes on.
 
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Professor Brian Cox
 
Seemingly small, localised achievements make a hero, not those precluded with news headlines and fanfares.
 
Why? As a physicist what has he actually achieved? Would Hawking or Higgs not be more worthy?

i think he is a hero for his tv programmes teaching kids about science.
 
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