Is execution appropriate for drugs traffickers?

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MartynK said:
Who are 'they' and why do they need an excuse? The 2nd Amendment is part of the Bill of Rights and the Constitution, and is consequently part of the supreme law of the United States. Changing/amending the Constitution is difficult, deliberately so, and requires a two thirds majority of the Senate and House of Representatives, sitting together, followed by ratification by three quarters of the state legislatures. There is an alternative procedure, but it's not any easier and has never been used.
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The "They" that I mention is the US government , senate, house of representatives that have the power to make the change and the excuse cones up every time some nutter goes mental in a school and the anti gun lobbyists crawl out of the woodwork demanding a ban on firearms.
 
It's the 30,000 that die every year the 'American way' by guns, that shows you how great their constitution is.
 
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But the 30,000 unnecessary deaths is every year. And you could end up being one of them.
 
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ST4 said:
That's so long ago it doesbt count
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That makes it o.k. then?

The very thing which made the US (which you admire so much) into the country it is today is exactly the thing you complain about happening in the UK.


Steve.
 
Steve Smith said:
That makes it o.k. then?

The very thing which made the US (which you admire so much) into the country it is today is exactly the thing you complain about happening in the UK.


Steve.
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Yes it does.

It happened here with the Romans and Anglo Saxons and they put up a fight. The natives did too, they lost.

We should do the same now. IMHO. Fight to keep Britain for Britain.
 
ST4 said:
Yes it does.

It happened here with the Romans and Anglo Saxons and they put up a fight. The natives did too, they lost.

We should do the same now. IMHO. Fight to keep Britain for Britain.
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And lose?

I should probably read the thread through, but America is a nation that calls fear freedom and captivity liberty. Parts of the country are beautiful, but their god is money, and people are unimportant (unless they are an extremely vocal and aggressive minority who might drive votes).


To answer the title, if one could be absolutely certain without any possible error that the conviction was just, then yes for those trafficking addictive drugs.
 
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JonathanRyan said:
I'm confused. This was Australian criminals getting shot in Indonesia, right?
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You should be used to ST4 derailing every other topic and spouting his 'view' of the world by now.
 
ancient_mariner said:
And lose?

I should probably read the thread through, but America is a nation that calls fear freedom and captivity liberty. Parts of the country are beautiful, but their god is money, and people are unimportant (unless they are an extremely vocal and aggressive minority who might drive votes).


To answer the title, if one could be absolutely certain without any possible error that the conviction was just, then yes for those trafficking addictive drugs.
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I take it you didn't mean alcohol and tobacco?
 
new2me said:
You should be used to ST4 derailing every other topic and spouting his 'view' of the world by now.
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It would be boring playing Cluedo with him, he would just think It was the immigrants, all the time, everywhere.

Borrowed joke! (but aren't they all...)
 
Rapscallion said:
I take it you didn't mean alcohol and tobacco?
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I'd rather hoped someone might pick up on that.

For most people, alcohol isn't addictive in the physiological sense like nicotine or heroin are. Tobacco is borderline justified, partly because it seems the harm caused was related to the delivery method rather than the drug, partly because the damage tends to be gradual rather than rapid and partly because the addiction can be broken with relatively minimal trauma. A case could be made (if one wished to do such a thing) against those who supply tobacco, knowing they would cause harm to users, though execution might not seem justified because the users were complicit in their addiction, rather than being helpless against it in the majority of cases. Alcohol only causes dependency in a small number of users, and it would be harder to justify criminalising, let alone executing providers.
 
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ST4 said:
Yes. And I'd expect our criminals to be shot in Indonesia for smuggling drugs. Indeed I'd rather hope they would be...

Well done Indonesia
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Nope you've still lost me. How is this fighting to keep Britain for Britain.

And for the car, the holiday and the boat, what does that even mean?
 
ST4 said:
The thread had been taken off topic earlier. Read the thread over, and consider the statement, It is obvious really.
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Sure. Whatevs. I still don't know what you mean so it isn't obvious to me. But it's the weekend and I'm tired so I don't really care.
 
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