Is Apple heading for problems....

I can't see the point in you guys speculating about the TV product. It will be something so different that you can't yet imagine it.
 
Ricardodaforce said:
I can't see the point in you guys speculating about the TV product. It will be something so different that you can't yet imagine it.
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Good lord, that comment nearly gave me the boke... Are you an apple salesman or something?! ;)
 
Ricardodaforce said:
It will be something so different that you can't yet imagine it.
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In which case, I predict it will be a beautifully styled flat-screen cappuccino machine, that will make different beverages with multi-fingered gestures on its touch screen - and be called the iCap. There will be 3 capacity versions (1, 3 and 7 cup), all available with and without wifi and 3G to enable you to remote control it from your iDevice. Prices will be £399, £499 and £599.

The iCap2 will be announced between 8 and 12 months after the original iCap is released and will totally revolutionise cappuccino making. Most who have the original iCap will see the changes as evolutionary rather than revolutionary and skip the even numbered iCap2 waiting for the iCap3 which will have superheated water that boils in 12nanoseconds and makes "the best cappuccinmo ever". It will be named simply The iCap to ensure that people see it as a new device yet one that clearly harks back to the original iCap. People will queue outside Apple shops on the day of release in order to own one yet despite all the improvements, it will be priced at £399, £499 and £599.

Just remember you heard it here first ;)
 
Do you really think it will be as basic as a flat-screen tv with a built-in blu-ray? C'mon guys, don't be so naive!
 
I don't think it will be massively diverse. It will be like the iPad was, subtly brilliant. Millions of people said the iPad was just a big iPhone and the majority of them now have iPads and get it.

They'll subtly make some changes and advancements that will just make stuff that little bet better.

That's my prediction.
 
Ricardodaforce said:
I can't see the point in you guys speculating about the TV product. It will be something so different that you can't yet imagine it.
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My view on how TV will change in the near future is mainly with respect to advertising, everyone fast-forwards through the adverts using sky+ so it is a diminishing opportunity for businesses to use.

My theory:

You'll have a large Apple TV connected to the internet, you'll control it with an ipad like device, letting you watch any channel you like. Programs won't be interspersed with adverts. Instead, you're watching you're favourite program, maybe Sex and the City, the slutty one is wearing some new Louboutins. Your ipad remote, using your previous purchasing and tv history as a guide thinks you may be interested in these and notifies you they have just been released and you can get them with free next day delivery from Zappos. You tap 'buy' and the tablet completes the purchase using your stored card and address details. You then have the option to notify all your relevant 'social media' friends about the purchase with a link so they can buy too, there is lots of potential for group buying and social profiling for very specific targeting this way.
 
neil_g said:
i can picture it now..

"siri put my favourite channel on"

*tv flips to babestation*

*missus kicks off*

*facepalm*

:lol:
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More likely..

"siri put my favourite channel on"

"I do not understand, 'foot aye favourite banana phone' "

:bang:
 
Flash In The Pan said:
More likely..

"siri put my favourite channel on"

"I do not understand, 'foot aye favourite banana phone' "

:bang:
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:lol:

have you used siri? I got to say if there is one thing it does bloody well its get the recognition right.

Although, perhaps not for the scottish

NSFW

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I missed that! :)

I might eat these words later in the year, but I really don't see the Apple TV being much more than a slickly design TV with IPTV and a fancy remote. Yes I am sure it will have a webcam so you can 'facetime', and a few other 'features'. But like everything apple it will be in 1 box. It'll do everything that a media centre PC will do for a panel TV but cost twice as much.
 
DaveKing said:
I missed that! :)

I might eat these words later in the year, but I really don't see the Apple TV being much more than a slickly design TV with IPTV and a fancy remote. Yes I am sure it will have a webcam so you can 'facetime', and a few other 'features'. But like everything apple it will be in 1 box. It'll do everything that a media centre PC will do for a panel TV but cost twice as much.
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now, heres where I think the difference will be. It will come out and you'll think it's exactly what you described.

BUT ... there will be some subtlities that make it perfectly user friendly in a way that those "Medi centre PC with a TV panel" won't be. Just like the ipad was apparantly "just a big iphone" lots of people didn't get it ...... until they started using it. Then they realised.

That's what I predict - usability will be at the forefront and it will be aimed right in the middle of the huge bell shaped curve of technical use of the general public, where apple aim all there most successful products. Then you'll get folks like arad on the other end saying how crap it is etc ..... meanwhile the majority of the popualtion get it and it proves very successful.

we'll see.....
 
joescrivens said:
Then you'll get folks like arad on the other end saying how crap it is etc ..... meanwhile the majority of the popualtion get it and it proves very successful.
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Joe... you misquote me. I think the ipad is a neat device, but one I have no need for in my life. I've owned a tablet and didn't use it - not because it was rubbish, just I didn't need yet another display device in the house.
 
boyfalldown said:
it always strikes me as odd that PC users spend much of their time telling everyone how macs are as bad (as many and as vulnerable to viruses, as bad as a PC at blah blah blah......, windows has done it for years etc etc)

I guess if you have to protest so loudly..............
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You need to watch the Southpark Smug episode. It's one of the reasons I really hope Apple don't make a TV. We are already bombarded by smug iPhone users, mac users and iPad users, please don't destroy the TV community too with a mediocre product with an Apple badge on (Sharp LCD...). By the third generation it may actually get to the point it is as good as the competition. ;)

arad85 said:
Tsk... :nono: the Mac is a piece of hardware, windows is software. You should be saying the Mac is better than a PC or OSX is better than Windows. I know these concepts are difficult for some Mac users ;) :nuts:, but it's important to get these things right :D

Unless what you really mean is that wearing a mac whilst outside and it is raining is better protection for you than a set of double glazed windows.... :p ;)
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Please, this comment made me comment on this thread!:(

While you're going down the right path you're still wrong...:p

The Mac IS a piece of hardware and windows is software however you can't say a Mac is better than a PC as it is a PC. You need to be saying a Mac is better than an VAIO or an Aspire/Inspiron/XPS...
 
arad85 said:
Joe... you misquote me. I think the ipad is a neat device, but one I have no need for in my life. I've owned a tablet and didn't use it - not because it was rubbish, just I didn't need yet another display device in the house.
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Nah, you don't use it because it's not an iPad, not because it doesn't fit in to your life.

At least that's what I've always been told by iPad users...
 
Amp34 said:
Please, this comment made me comment on this thread!:(

While you're going down the right path you're still wrong...:p

The Mac IS a piece of hardware and windows is software however you can't say a Mac is better than a PC as it is a PC. You need to be saying a Mac is better than an VAIO or an Aspire/Inspiron/XPS...
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the funnier thing is that both of you missed the fact that what I was saying was actually a joke. Hence why is put extra "thes" into the sentence and deliberately got it wrong.

Both of you are too busy taking it so serious :lol::lol:
 
joescrivens said:
the funnier thing is that both of you missed the fact that what I was saying was actually a joke. Hence why is put extra "thes" into the sentence and deliberately got it wrong.
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And you thought my reply was serious :shrug::p:D
 
joescrivens said:
the funnier thing is that both of you missed the fact that what I was saying was actually a joke. Hence why is put extra "thes" into the sentence and deliberately got it wrong.

Both of you are too busy taking it so serious :lol::lol:
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And why did i put :p then? ;)

Either way I wash;t replying to you, just airing a pet hate.:D
 
arad85 said:
<sigh>
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Amp34 said:
And why did i put :p then? ;)

Either way I wash;t replying to you, just airing a pet hate.:D
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The correct response would have been :razz::razz::razz::razz::razz:
 
I see this is still going. I guess if they do release an apple tv sort of thing then they'll have to release it in various stages with all but the last having virtually no useful and up to date functionality, just like the iPhone...
 
Ricardodaforce said:
I can't see the point in you guys speculating about the TV product. It will be something so different that you can't yet imagine it.
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This is exactly what people see when they look at Apple - and they're completely wrong.

Apple never released a revolutionary product in their history (possible exception of the itunes store). They've made a fortune from perfecting products. It's evolutionary.

In 2002 I had a phone that had all the basic features of my iphone (a horrid Nokia) - but it wasn't touch screen, in 2007 I got all those features in a Samsung touchscreen phone. So why did the iphone change my life so much in 2009? Because it took all of those functions, and made them easy to use, and offered a one stop solution to customise my phone to make it even more useful for me.

If you look at the computer press from about 10 years ago, you'll see all the tablet PC's that were about to be the next big thing, they all failed because MS wanted to make their interface behave like a PC, touchscreen devices have their own idiosyncrasies that Apple managed to capture for the ipad - and the future was realised.

So iTV or whatever it gets called, will be an evolution of technologies we've seen in IPTV's, but it'll be done right. It'll be easy to use, pretty and it'll work without us having to get our hands dirty with the nuts and bolts of IT. That is what makes an Apple product different.

And I'm a PC user, not a Mac fanboi
 
Apple won't produce a TV. Somebody else will produce a TV and then Apple will stick their badge on it, as they do with everything these days. All this TV will do is run some software developed by Apple.

For example, let's take a walk through a 27" iMac mid 2011 model and see exactly how much Apple there is in there.

LCD Display - LG
Hard Disk - Seagate (with an Apple on the label - close, but not close enough)
Optical drive - sony optiarc
Power supply - LiteOn
LED driver board - Foxconn
Processor - intel
Video Card - ATI
RAM - Samsung
Wireless Card - Broadcom
Main Board - Foxconn
Pretty much all cables and connectors - Foxconn
Case - Unknown (probably Foxconn), but it has an Apple badge on it. However we all know it was made in a factory in China.

Basically there is not one component in this Apple machine that's been made by Apple.

The only thing that makes a Mac a Mac is the software.

Ok I know this is pretty much going to be the same for any other PC manufacturer, but people seem to think that when they buy Apple they're getting something special. In actual fact they're not. They're just getting a bunch of industry standard off the shelf components shoehorned into a pretty case.
 
Slaphead said:
Apple won't produce a TV. Somebody else will produce a TV and then Apple will stick their badge on it, as they do with everything these days. All this TV will do is run some software developed by Apple.

For example, let's take a walk through a 27" iMac mid 2011 model and see exactly how much Apple there is in there.

LCD Display - LG
Hard Disk - Seagate (with an Apple on the label - close, but not close enough)
Optical drive - sony optiarc
Power supply - LiteOn
LED driver board - Foxconn
Processor - intel
Video Card - ATI
RAM - Samsung
Wireless Card - Broadcom
Main Board - Foxconn
Pretty much all cables and connectors - Foxconn
Case - Unknown (probably Foxconn), but it has an Apple badge on it. However we all know it was made in a factory in China.

Basically there is not one component in this Apple machine that's been made by Apple.

The only thing that makes a Mac a Mac is the software.

Ok I know this is pretty much going to be the same for any other PC manufacturer, but people seem to think that when they buy Apple they're getting something special. In actual fact they're not. They're just getting a bunch of industry standard off the shelf components shoehorned into a pretty case.
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And aren't we all so stupid. As I type this on my MacBook I have my iPhone and iPad in sight, and I could have avoided spending so much money if only we'd met before. It's not fair that so many of us succumb to such stupidity where there are folk like you out there that can, and more importantly SHOULD, show us the error of our ways. For this I can only apologise.
 
Ricardodaforce said:
And aren't we all so stupid. As I type this on my MacBook I have my iPhone and iPad in sight, and I could have avoided spending so much money if only we'd met before. It's not fair that so many of us succumb to such stupidity where there are folk like you out there that can, and more importantly SHOULD, show us the error of our ways. For this I can only apologise.
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I just say it as I see it when it comes to Apple.

For the record I personally own 2 iMacs, 1 Macbook, 1 Mac Mini, 1 damaged MacBook Pro used as a server, an iPhone and an iPod nano.

With that much Apple gear, I'm allowed to complain about them all I damn well want, and if anybody has succumbed to stupidity then it's me ;)
 
Phil V said:
This is exactly what people see when they look at Apple - and they're completely wrong.

Apple never released a revolutionary product in their history (possible exception of the itunes store). They've made a fortune from perfecting products. It's evolutionary.

In 2002 I had a phone that had all the basic features of my iphone (a horrid Nokia) - but it wasn't touch screen, in 2007 I got all those features in a Samsung touchscreen phone. So why did the iphone change my life so much in 2009? Because it took all of those functions, and made them easy to use, and offered a one stop solution to customise my phone to make it even more useful for me.

If you look at the computer press from about 10 years ago, you'll see all the tablet PC's that were about to be the next big thing, they all failed because MS wanted to make their interface behave like a PC, touchscreen devices have their own idiosyncrasies that Apple managed to capture for the ipad - and the future was realised.

So iTV or whatever it gets called, will be an evolution of technologies we've seen in IPTV's, but it'll be done right. It'll be easy to use, pretty and it'll work without us having to get our hands dirty with the nuts and bolts of IT. That is what makes an Apple product different.

And I'm a PC user, not a Mac fanboi
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That's very well said.

It is sad the amount of misinformation surrounding Apple though.

The iPhone was released at a time when 3G had already been unveiled and rolled out to some areas. Yet it didn't have 3G functionality. In fact, 02 did a rollout of the EDGE service (an enhancement to GPRS) specifically because of this, otherwise all iPhone users would have been able to receive is a GPRS signal, which is nigh on useless for any "data rich" application.

The iPhone 3G then corrected that, and the 3GS was capable with half of HSPA - the high speed DOWNLINK packet access, but not the high speed upload. It was only until the iPhone 4 that it was fully compatible with HSPA both ways, and by then it was old news!

It was only with the release of iOS5 that the devices could be updated wirelessly... and then there's the fact that Siri doesn't even work properly in the United Kingdom despite what certain Apple advertisements would have us Brits believe.

Most Apple fans excuse the lack of features in some devices as being "unecessary" - a weak excuse as best... And anyone who thinks they are the pinnacle of innovation should consider getting their head checked out.
 
trencheel303 said:
That's very well said.

It is sad the amount of misinformation surrounding Apple though.

The iPhone was released at a time when 3G had already been unveiled and rolled out to some areas. Yet it didn't have 3G functionality. In fact, 02 did a rollout of the EDGE service (an enhancement to GPRS) specifically because of this, otherwise all iPhone users would have been able to receive is a GPRS signal, which is nigh on useless for any "data rich" application.

The iPhone 3G then corrected that, and the 3GS was capable with half of HSPA - the high speed DOWNLINK packet access, but not the high speed upload. It was only until the iPhone 4 that it was fully compatible with HSPA both ways, and by then it was old news!

It was only with the release of iOS5 that the devices could be updated wirelessly... and then there's the fact that Siri doesn't even work properly in the United Kingdom despite what certain Apple advertisements would have us Brits believe.

Most Apple fans excuse the lack of features in some devices as being "unecessary" - a weak excuse as best... And anyone who thinks they are the pinnacle of innovation should consider getting their head checked out.
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Siri is still better than every other voice assistant on any other phone. Limited in the uk or not. It's still the best there is.

Am I right or am I wrong?

Also what feature on the advert in the uk have you seen misrepresented exactly?
 
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