Incredible, contains some bad language

SarahLee said:
She may not have been at fault at the start of the incident, but her decision to do nothing to resolve it IMO makes her just as responsible for how the situation developed as he was.
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I don't think its obvious who is "at fault" TBH. But I agree, one of them should have backed up ages before it started to escalate.
 
The old fella seems to be further into the tunnel than her
 
Keith W said:
The old fella seems to be further into the tunnel than her
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He does.
But the road markings also indicate that the traffic going in her direction had priority and what I can't see due to the exposure in the video is where the 'give way' markings are on his side of the tunnel.
Without knowing how close to the tunnel entrance he 'should' have given way and what speed both cars were traveling it's impossible to say whether he was already in the tunnel before she got to her side of it <shrug>

nilagin said:
Like I said, she didn't inconvenience anyone.
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The one thing I do agree with you on is that I would have loved to have seen everyone else turn around and take an alternate route.
See just how long the pair of them both sat there then waiting for the other one to move :lol:
 
Having lived and worked in the area many years ago ,and watched the video I suspect the reason for his attitude ,lack of reversing skills ,and also the fact he didn't lower his window might well have been due to excess alcohol more than anything else .to much money and a upper class attitude area IMHO
 
Keith W said:
The old fella seems to be further into the tunnel than her
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That could just mean she stopped quicker than him. Going by his driving skills in the video, that's what I'd say had happened, I'm willing to bet a fair few of the people in the video moaning at the woman would have been just as obstinate and stood their ground too had they been in her situation.
 
Having looked at it again, she's barely even in the tunnel, he's at least half way in. I think theres a possibility she seen she has right of way and continued on regardless, even though the old guy may possibly have been there already.
 
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Whilst I don't condone persons inabilities to be able to do simple driving maneuvers, according to google maps he was well beyond his give way sign let along further into the tunnel so she shouldn't have been so arsey and backed up rather than trying to play the moral high ground. When he committed himself she wouldn't have been in view.

Link to his give way on google maps - https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.5...4!1sKo2ySuO2oQMNlZgFby_Iqg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
 
The scary thing is people making stupid decisions is worse when it's at 70mph. Horrible accidents usually have a stupid decision to blame.
Bring on autonomous cars.
 
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Cobra said:
I don't think its obvious who is "at fault" TBH. But I agree, one of them should have backed up ages before it started to escalate.
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Indeed. That's part of what makes the incident so interesting.

This happened in Maidenhead, where I live, and obviously it's had a lot of attention and provoked a lot of discussion locally.

The location is the railway bridge on Forlease Road, if you want to look it up on Street View. The old man is travelling south, and the signs on the approach to the bridge instruct him to give way. However, the road isn't straight - it actually bends as it passes under the railway - and visibility is less than ideal.

It is quite possible that, when he reached the sign, the road was clear, and the lady driving north didn't arrive on the scene until he was committed to the bridge; in which case I believe it's his right of way. It's also possible that she was in the vicinity at the time he had to make the decision, and he couldn't see her because of the bend. I'm not sure what the rules of the road say about that, but I'd guess that makes him technically wrong because he couldn't be sure the road was clear. (Although at that location you can never be sure.) And it's also very possible that the lady had right of way and the old man simply didn't see her, or didn't see the sign. Unfortunately none of the witnesses to the impasse saw how it started, and it's impossible to determine conclusively from the road positions of the two cars.

My take on it is that we'd all be better off here if *neither* of these characters were allowed behind the wheel of a car in future.
 
Well it looks like the old guy could not reverse for whatever reason, when he finally did it looks like someone held the wheel to keep the car straight. Doesn't look like he should be on the road.

The above would have been clear to the lady in question. I heard someone say there were people trying to collect their kids from school and she still just stayed there. An absolutely pathetic attitude from her, bet she regrets it now. As much as she was annoying people have committed worse crimes though...so we should keep this in perspective.
 
akr said:
An absolutely pathetic attitude from her, bet she regrets it now.
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Maybe not. A normal person would certainly feel bad about it. But someone who refuses to help innocent people, and thinks that it's better to hold them up than lose face or whatever, are probably too thick to understand what is going on.

She was rewarded by not having to back off. He backed off, which proves she was right. She won!
 
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StewartR said:
Indeed. That's part of what makes the incident so interesting.

This happened in Maidenhead, where I live, and obviously it's had a lot of attention and provoked a lot of discussion locally.

The location is the railway bridge on Forlease Road, if you want to look it up on Street View. The old man is travelling south, and the signs on the approach to the bridge instruct him to give way. However, the road isn't straight - it actually bends as it passes under the railway - and visibility is less than ideal.

It is quite possible that, when he reached the sign, the road was clear, and the lady driving north didn't arrive on the scene until he was committed to the bridge; in which case I believe it's his right of way. It's also possible that she was in the vicinity at the time he had to make the decision, and he couldn't see her because of the bend. I'm not sure what the rules of the road say about that, but I'd guess that makes him technically wrong because he couldn't be sure the road was clear. (Although at that location you can never be sure.) And it's also very possible that the lady had right of way and the old man simply didn't see her, or didn't see the sign. Unfortunately none of the witnesses to the impasse saw how it started, and it's impossible to determine conclusively from the road positions of the two cars.

My take on it is that we'd all be better off here if *neither* of these characters were allowed behind the wheel of a car in future.
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There's a comment I saw on elsewhere that said the woman was getting grief because she drove into the tunnel with the other car coming because 'she had right of way' despite the fact the other car was coming down the tunnel. Apparently he was drivimg slowly.
 
Just put up traffic lights.
Problem solved.
 
I hope you are joking. Those drivers will still be ignorant and still get in eveybodies way. If the lights are red yet there's no one coming, they are a fail. I live in a land of traffic lights only, and it's the biggest waste of people's time and fuel ever.

No the solution is more like drugs. Or a bucket of ice water on the head.
 
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StewartR said:
The location is the railway bridge on Forlease Road, if you want to look it up on Street View. The old man is travelling south, and the signs on the approach to the bridge instruct him to give way. However, the road isn't straight - it actually bends as it passes under the railway - and visibility is less than ideal.
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I looked at the link someone posted and its uncanny that is almost identical to a road here, complete with the side turnings and similar looking houses!



StewartR said:
. It's also possible that she was in the vicinity at the time he had to make the decision, and he couldn't see her because of the bend.
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Quite possibly as I noted a few posts back
Cobra said:
We have a similar situation here, not caused by a tunnel but people parking end to end, in the road, so there is no gap to dive into to avoid on coming tragic, as its a slow right hander with hedges on the right hand side,
as you approach a major-ish road your view is restricted somewhat, but the people coming off the road, its a left hand bend, with the parked cars on their off side, and they have a much better view.
But they will still insist in proceeding to face of on coming traffic as its their "priority". Even though going the other way, you are "committed" and have no where to go.
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kendo1 said:
Just put up traffic lights.
Problem solved.
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That's what they did locally here.
And then people dive down the side turning to avoid the lights if they are red :D
 
There's a similar bridge just north of Aviemore. Traffic lights solved the problem of accidents and stupidity.
 
akr said:
Well it looks like the old guy could not reverse for whatever reason, when he finally did it looks like someone held the wheel to keep the car straight. Doesn't look like he should be on the road.
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If he can't control his car then he shouldn't be on the road. Lots of people are unable to carryout simple tasks in their vehicles these days but the police don't mind as long as you don't speed
 
stupar said:
Whilst I don't condone persons inabilities to be able to do simple driving maneuvers, according to google maps he was well beyond his give way sign let along further into the tunnel so she shouldn't have been so arsey and backed up rather than trying to play the moral high ground. When he committed himself she wouldn't have been in view.

Link to his give way on google maps - https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.5...4!1sKo2ySuO2oQMNlZgFby_Iqg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
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You are assuming they were travelling at the same speed, she may have already entered the tunnel, he may have come along, not slowed before the give way line to check it's clear and just driven straight in. She stops and he keeps coming deeper into the tunnel before he decides to stop.
 
nilagin said:
She stops and he keeps coming deeper into the tunnel before he decides to stop.
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Definitely assumptions all round, BUT, looking at the video of where she stopped (not that far in) & her refusal to reverse, I'd hazard a guess that he was already in part way.

Watching the guy trying to reverse at first, I wonder if he was thinking of getting close to the wall to enable her to pass? (& saving face)
 
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Stupid pig-headedness from both. The woman had the easier manoeuvre to solve the situation - plenty of room behind her and straight back.

Unfortunately both reinforcing the German car driver stereotype that they own the road ;)

Can they be reported for obstructing the highway purely on video evidence or do they have to be observed by the police?
 
I would have reversed simply because I can't be arsed hanging around. Life's too short.
 
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Unless its a marked give way to oncomming cars or tarffic lights, then its a first come first through in my opinion, However what IF both parties arrive at the same time - ish - well then thats the story, so to speak.


f1charlie said:
Stupid pig-headedness from both. The woman had the easier manoeuvre to solve the situation - plenty of room behind her and straight back.

Unfortunately both reinforcing the German car driver stereotype that they own the road ;)

Can they be reported for obstructing the highway purely on video evidence or do they have to be observed by the police?
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You could give it a go! and copy the local traffic dept in on the video. a couple of lads in various car clubs who have posted their speeding antics on youtube have been done, so why not these two charlies....
 
If it was me and it was a 50 - 50 case, I'd definitely want to be the first to reverse out of courtesy. It's nice to help people.

The only snag to that is when the other party drives through without thanking you. Then I want to cave their arrogant heads in. The cunce.
 
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When (wish it was if but, hey...) people "forget" to thank me for letting them through (whoever had right of way), I stick my tongue out at them. FWIW, I usually thank people who "forget" to thank me for holding doors open for them as well!
 
I hope they both lost their licenses over that. Neither is fit or safe to be on the road.

IIRC "Obstructing her Majesty's Highway" is also a criminal offense.

Shame it got resolved before the Police got there.
 
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Absolutely ridiculous, he quite obviously shouldn't of been on the road and she let her pig headedness hold up dozens of people. Hopefully the police take notice of this video and at the very least have words with the pair.
 
Google's egoless driverless car would make this kind of nonsense a thing of the past.

But that would also mean no more future Ronnie Pickerings. :(
 
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