Image Theft & Copyright Theft, Advice Please

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I used to own a web site for my photography, however since getting a load of trouble online from some people took that initial hobby site of mine down, although I was still going to use many of the images from that site for professional purposes this year.

All of the images on display bore a watermark and copyright notice 2006.

The reason I took the site down was because I found on the net another individual using my images on a particular web site forum, for religious hatred and discriminatory messages.

Goodness knows what attracted him to my landscape images, anyway, he was photoshopping them and adding captions to spread his vile message.

I complained to the forum web site owner who lives in Somerset and told him in no uncertain terms that the use of my images on his web site forum constituted copyright and image theft, to remove them immediately or further action would be taken. Thankfully, after a bit of hard talk communication going backwards and forwards, about a week later the images were removed.

Now six months or so later, I find the same person has again displayed the very same images on his forum web site, 43 in total. All images clearly display my old web site name and copyright notice as part of my watermark on each one.

I signed up to this forum to complain directly again to the owner, via messages placed in the very same thread, notifying him curtly and to the point, without emotion, that again said image use was a violation of my copyright of the images and to remove them all immediately.

True to form, the owner not only allowed this time the images to remain in place but replied to me with a message publically, essentially saying that I could stick my complaint up my ****.

One or two troublemakers then proceeded to repost my images in their own replies, photoshopping them etc.

My account was then banned and later that day, I found that the thread in question no longer appeared in the public section it was in hereto before.

So, signing in again with a proxy server, under another name, I find he hasn't removed my images at all, but has instead simply moved the thread containing 43 of my photographs into a private section of his hosted web site forum. More comments again had been made and my collection in that genre of landscape photographs, was now appearing no less than 3 times altogether in the thread, with various people adding jabs to what no doubt they considered a most entertaining exercise telling me that it was posted there under US Fair Use policies.

Ok, so I do a bit of research, I now have this forum owners age, his full name, address and telephone number and without a shadow of doubt all the details are fully correct.

I'm wondering what action I can take next? Do I invoice him directly for using all 43 of my photographs without permission and if so, what is considered a fair charge for this unlawful use of my images? Too, do I charge him more based on the fact that each image is now appearing at least 3 times in the thread in question? (Could be more now)

It's just the principle of this that gets right up my nose. Lots of hardwork, money and time went into gaining those images and although not considered professional images at the time, they were nevertheless clearly watermarked as being copyrighted and make up an important part of my journey into photography.

Does the fact that I had to close my old website down reflect at all on the figure of damages that I want to be getting out of this guy?

What are the normal steps to be taken in this process? Has anyone been in a similar situation and can advise me?

What kind of figure do I set for charging per unauthorised image use?

Any assistance or help would be appreciated, I simply cannot stand by and allow people like this to damage my business and reputation.

Apologies if I didn't write this out as clearly as I might have done, just so annoyed.

Many thanks in advance.

Mark
 
Speak to a solicitor. If it were simply copyright abuse the invoice route might work but based on what you've said clearly these people aren't going to take any notice and the issues of how and the "message" the images are being used for makes things a lot more complicated.

One thing you also need to be aware of is that if someone from the other forum finds this thread it will probably only make things worse.
 
I can appreciate you're annoyed. You can invoice him as much as you like. You won't get anything - blood / stone etc.

It sounds as though the more you shout, the more grief you'll get. Your better tactic maybe to hassle his ISP (or whoever's hosting his forum).

You could publicise the forum and / or the links to the pics. There maybe those around here who have the equivalent of an electronic baseball bat. Or know someone who does.
 
Thanks for the reply. (Replies now). The forum in question is on a niche subject, hence the reason I kept most of my comments on purposely vague to avoid it showing up in any google search with any relevancy.

I have been thinking of the solicitor route, just would like to know first the experiences of others.

Action plan was to invoice straightaway, which will obviously be ignored, and then to go the solicitor route.

Looking for advice, guidance in the meantime to build a framework in my mind upon the best course of action.

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Electronic baseball bat, hmmmmmmmm lol.
 
Don't bother going to see a solicitor. It costs money. It will get you nowhere. You need to think of more elaborate remedies. The law is not a panacea, either in theory or in practice.
 
You could publicise the forum and / or the links to the pics. There maybe those around here who have the equivalent of an electronic baseball bat. Or know someone who does.

I think this is very bad advice. Starting a "war" with the forum will only fuel the flames and if the links are posted here then the weblogs will show the referring page and before we know it users from the other forum will feel the need to pay a visit here :(
 
Another route would be file a complaint with the hosting company for the forum site.
 
I think this is very bad advice. Starting a "war" with the forum will only fuel the flames and if the links are posted here then the weblogs will show the referring page and before we know it users from the other forum will feel the need to pay a visit here :(

OK - point taken - I wasn't advocating a war between TP and [unknown forum] - I accept its not a good idea.

I've sen flickr used to good effect with this sort of thing, though. Depends how much you value your flickr account I suppose. Or use a disposable one.
 
one thing that has stuck in my mind is the fact you've had to take down your website as a result of another's actions...surely there's something there that's just all wrong.
 
Send the site owner a polite email.
State that you will take him/her to court for damages if your photos aren't removed.
Report it to the Host the site is located at, forwarding on any evidence you may have.
If this doesn't work and you’re aggrieved enough, go and see a solicitor (they'll give you some free advice). ;)
 
Forget email, if you have the owners actual address then write to him personally or have a solicitor do it, stating your intention to sue (if you have grounds). Also contact his forums hosting company tell them what is being done and like as not they will require him to take your images down.
 
As Matt said, find who actually Hosts the site (the server itself) I am sure the terms and conditions of having a website on there has a line something like 'no copyright material allowed'. What should happen is that the hoster sends the site manager an email saying 'take the stuff down now' and if he doesn't then the hoster can shut the site down. The hoster should do something because he can be in just as much trouble as the site owner. If they do get shut down and they move server then repeat until neccessary......
 
I haven't got any solutions unfortunately, but I can empathise as I had a number of my images 'stolen, and were appearing on a chinese web forum, under another person's name as though they were his.

Luckily I didn't have any financial 'hit' , but it was still deeply frustrating, so I know how you feel.
 
As Stated,
The IP seams best route to get them down, solicitor letter sounds good as this shows your serious.
Emails are worthless get it in print.
Good luck and feel for your frustration
 
Echoing what the others have said, first gather your evidence (plenty of clear screenshots), then make your complaints. Yes solicitors cost money, but I reckon in this instance it's probably worth it.
 
Many thanks everyone, really appreciate the time taken out to offer this advice.

Did take screenshots yes, and photographs too of every segment of the thread on that forum.

Again, appreciate the assistance.
 
Just one point.....

If you were to invoice the guy, this could be construed that you were willing to let him make use of your photos, which i guess (due to the context they're being used) you don't.

Seek legal advice, specifically look for a solicitor with copyright and/or web experience.

Steve
 
On the point of closing your own website down. You will get nowhere with that. You put the website up there and the pictures.. Also you let/allowed and encouraged every single visitor to your site to download the pictures to there computer (thats how the internet works) and then it was your decision to close it.

You wont get anywhere with the poeple who posted the pictures either.

Your only course of action is at the hosting.. But if he hosts the messageboard himsef then your knackered and if he is using a remotely hosted company in a country that doesn't care then your also knackered.

You need to know a lot more before you go to a solicitor.. you could waste a lot of money for nothing and the most your going to get out of this is the pictures removed.. in which case they will just get posted again elsewhere..

Let everyone know there not your pictures in the current form and wait for it to go away.. thats my advice... not the advice you want but to be honest.. your on a hiding to either nothing or not much...
 
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