According to a junior police officer I spoke to yesterday, the recommendation to charge him with just theft came from a senior police officer, and it isn't difficult to work out a possible reason for this.
Garry Edwards said:
Jim, you may or may not be right. I'll rephrase what I said...
My assumption from that is that the evidence supplied to the CPS, who actually made the decision, may have been incomplete.
Blimey.
once got told by the cops to finish off burglars and bury the bodies in the swamp. The fens! - what you gonna do? :|
What some cops (who after all are overwhelmingly decent human beings who must get pretty frustrated sometimes) may say off the record, and what they actually have to do when push comes to shove, can be very different things.Blimey.
So is that it? The end? Is every decent civilian expected to roll over and play dead?
A friend of mine allegedly
No right at all. The CPS solicitor, who was remarkably unimpressive, simply read extracts from his statement, and not the most important bits. She did tell the bench that the complainant was in Court but the magistrates chose not to speak to him.
The number of shots fired was the number needed to stop the various attacks without injuring the driver. It's a pump action shotgun, Bill uses it virtually every day and is more than capable of loading and firing in one movement. He doesn't know how many times he had to reload it.
Yep, that's the way it is. When someone pleads guilty then they or their defence can lie their heads off in mitigation, there is absolutely no chance of anyone correcting them or in any way challenging anything that they say.
With respect, you did take the law into your own hands and you then did something illegal - what did you expect the police to do about it?This is why we intend to leave the UK as soon as possible, its become a total joke.
£5 a week to pay his fine, WTF.......
The real issue as well is the scummy solicitors, who defend people just for the cash.
My son had his mountain bike stolen a few months ago, and he recognised ne of thoes involved, a local waster, anyway to cut a long story short, after we found them at there house, the front room window and door got broken.......not sure how your honour!
Anyway, the police turned up in force, didn't know GMP had so many on duty at once......they said no one was available when the bike was stolen..?
I was arrested for criminal damages, the police then did a deal, that they would drop the charges if we dropped the thief charges.... The guy went to the place he sold the bike and returned with it and that was that, now 3 people were involved in the theft, the 2 lads we tried to put in an early grave and the guy who bought it, but the police we're more interested in keeping me in the back of a van for 40mins. Very sad.
Ps when we found the lads, we did call the police first, they said it could be up to 4 hrs before someone attended, so that's why we decided to go crack some heads, again turns out that they can be there in force within mins when they need to be
Studi0488 said:This is why we intend to leave the UK as soon as possible, its become a total joke.
£5 a week to pay his fine, WTF.......
The real issue as well is the scummy solicitors, who defend people just for the cash.
My son had his mountain bike stolen a few months ago, and he recognised ne of thoes involved, a local waster, anyway to cut a long story short, after we found them at there house, the front room window and door got broken.......not sure how your honour!
Anyway, the police turned up in force, didn't know GMP had so many on duty at once......they said no one was available when the bike was stolen..?
I was arrested for criminal damages, the police then did a deal, that they would drop the charges if we dropped the thief charges.... The guy went to the place he sold the bike and returned with it and that was that, now 3 people were involved in the theft, the 2 lads we tried to put in an early grave and the guy who bought it, but the police we're more interested in keeping me in the back of a van for 40mins. Very sad.
Ps when we found the lads, we did call the police first, they said it could be up to 4 hrs before someone attended, so that's why we decided to go crack some heads, again turns out that they can be there in force within mins when they need to be
andy700 said:About five years ago I would have agreed with you, but due to my dealings with the police since, I have very little/no confidence in them to do their job properly.
The limit of their expertise seems to be traffic offences, and when crimes are committed, they seem to concentrate all their efforts on letting criminals off.
I really feel for Garry's son and his mother, because they will be left with the memory of this incident for the rest of their lives, mulling over what they should/could have done differently, questioning why a criminal, whose actions were the catalyst for all subsequent reaction should get off virtually scot free, and a homeowner who was the initial victim of a crime should be treated like a criminal simply for defending himself and his mother.
The police, CPS and solicitors in the UK are treading a very fine and dangerous line, with the decisions they make and the way in which they treat criminals and victims, and to be honest, it sometimes feels as though we live in an upside down World.
odd jim said:
) - he hospitalised all three and was not particularly suprisingly arrested on suspicion of GBH.
Yes, he's a good lad.Just seen the story on Calendar News (regional TV)... I thought Bill came across really well, eloquent and sensible... I can see why you're proud Garry!
Well actually I do think so, yes.so the country's turning to rat droppings because more people don't resort to vigilante justice and breaking the law themselves ?
Hmm , yeah, okay
or alternately they can come round at 0 dark 30 and pour petrol through your letter box in revenge for you giving them a kicking
Maybe not but the police would have a field day making you disappear
