"I'll nut ya - you nicked my seat"

jakeblu said:
Respect doesn't need to be earned otherwise our respect would be limited only to those we know or know of. Most people show respect to others, without it society would be unworkable.

Jakeblu aka Steve
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you are confusing politeness with respect.
 
POAH said:
you are confusing politeness with respect.
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Sorry I am not although politeness can often be deemed as an outward display of respect.

Steve
 
POAH said:
no, pretty sure all kids are wee tummy muds, just that some are big tummy muds.

being old does not = respect. had this exact conversation with my dad the other day. respect is earned.
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This is what is so messed up in the UK....Threatening violence against an elderly person is just 'kids being kids'. No it isn't, it's a couple of generations of kids growing up with no respect for anyone but themselves.

If that had happened here, the bus would have stopped until the police arrived and child and mother would be removed. People on the bus would video it, it would go viral and the family would be totally disgraced.
 
mid_gen said:
This is what is so messed up in the UK....Threatening violence against an elderly person is just 'kids being kids'. No it isn't, it's a couple of generations of kids growing up with no respect for anyone but themselves.

If that had happened here, the bus would have stopped until the police arrived and child and mother would be removed. People on the bus would video it, it would go viral and the family would be totally disgraced.
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Exactly, but the outcry that I suspect will follow your post will demonstrate how endemic the problem is..
 
mid_gen said:
This is what is so messed up in the UK....Threatening violence against an elderly person is just 'kids being kids'. No it isn't, it's a couple of generations of kids growing up with no respect for anyone but themselves.

If that had happened here, the bus would have stopped until the police arrived and child and mother would be removed. People on the bus would video it, it would go viral and the family would be totally disgraced.
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Yip. We lived in HK in the 70s and I know what you mean, but Chinese culture is very different. Publicising an incident like this would cause a huge loss of face for the mother and family.

I doubt if it would have same consequences in the UK. Police involvement and a video going viral might count as a win in some circles.
 
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Sorry for going off topic.....

I was in HK in the 70's as well
 
mid_gen said:
This is what is so messed up in the UK....Threatening violence against an elderly person is just 'kids being kids'. No it isn't, it's a couple of generations of kids growing up with no respect for anyone but themselves.

If that had happened here, the bus would have stopped until the police arrived and child and mother would be removed. People on the bus would video it, it would go viral and the family would be totally disgraced.
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its not kids being kids. That's a kid and parent behaving badly - I'd have said something if I saw that happening.
 
I think there's a difference between treating someone with respect and actually respecting them. I'm of the same mindset as POAH - I don't respect someone purely because of their age. I don't respect an elderly stranger more than I respect a teenage or younger stranger and vice versa.
 
I have 3 daughters and have never, and could never imagine, hitting them.

Parents are different, I appreciate, but corporal punishment aint for me.

Cheers.
 
I brought up my 3 kids alone, with no support, and I never resorted to hitting them, (even though one of my kids has mild aspergers which meant an almost permanent tantrum from birth until age 15). They didn't get spoiled, and now they all have successful careers and lives.

I say that parents who hit children are being lazy parents.

but you do have to set the ground rules early with firmness and reasoned explanations. I never said to my kids "because I said so" and I never lied to them.

As for the spoiled kids you see today, this is (I believe) because they have been brought up by spoiled adults. At our local club one fella was told he could no longer bring his dog into the bar because they'd had a complaint. One complaint. So that complainer now thinks he can get his own way all of the time (and yes, he will have a tantrum the first time he is told 'no'). Meanwhile the poor old fella doesn't go out as much as he did. *sigh*
 
btw, teaching your children not to do something by doing it yourself can be confusing. Like when my mother slapped me for swearing - I didn't know I was swearing, I was simply repeating what she'd just said to my sister!
 
I was at the zoo yesterday chatting to my mate on my mobile when some woman interrupted me to ask where the Pandas where:bang:
I couldn't believe that anyone would do that
I tried to be polite back I should have told her to not to be so rude but I was caught unawares so surprised that anyone would do that
 
sturisoma said:
I brought up my 3 kids alone, with no support, and I never resorted to hitting them, (even though one of my kids has mild aspergers which meant an almost permanent tantrum from birth until age 15). They didn't get spoiled, and now they all have successful careers and lives.

I say that parents who hit children are being lazy parents.

but you do have to set the ground rules early with firmness and reasoned explanations. I never said to my kids "because I said so" and I never lied to them.
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I say that all the time lol

so you never lied to your kids then, I find that seriously hard to believe.
 
POAH said:
I'm polite to everyone I meet until they are other wise to me. I don't respect people just because of their age
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You seemed to have confused my post, or perhaps I was unclear on my point, my comments had nothing to do with respecting the elderly per se.

Steve
 
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POAH said:
you are confusing politeness with respect.
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Sorry I don't get this. You are saying you have no respect for anyone unless they have somehow 'earned it'?

Most decent people treat everyone with respect.
 
mid_gen said:
Sorry I don't get this. You are saying you have no respect for anyone unless they have somehow 'earned it'?

Most decent people treat everyone with respect.
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the problem here is that respect has two meanings , you are using it one way ie that you treat everyone around you with respect, ie you are polite, courteous, and considerate , while poah is using its other meaning where it is synonym for admire, look up to, follow the example of etc ... most decent people do the former, but the latter has to be earned
 
big soft moose said:
the problem here is that respect has two meanings , you are using it one way ie that you treat everyone around you with respect, ie you are polite, courteous, and considerate , while poah is using its other meaning where it is synonym for admire, look up to, follow the example of etc ... most decent people do the former, but the latter has to be earned
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That's what I meant with my post - treating someone with respect and respecting them are different. I treat everyone with respect. I respect those who have earned it, no matter their age.
 
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