Ignorant People and (parents) at Zoos etc (Rant alert)

Better than going to smack...
 
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Gremlin said:
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I've always, and still do, seen smacking as a failing of the parent to interact and deal properly with the situation. I see it as a real weakness having to resort to such measures. I never say never, but when that day come, I've lost my ability to communicate and explain
 
dejongj said:
I never say never, but when that day come, I've lost my ability to communicate and explain
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But what age are children capable of deciphering what you are saying?
Sometimes a short sharp shock works far better than
Please don't put that fork in that wall socket .........
f*** too late ;)
 
dejongj said:
I've always, and still do, seen smacking as a failing of the parent to interact and deal properly with the situation. I see it as a real weakness having to resort to such measures. I never say never, but when that day come, I've lost my ability to communicate and explain
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I was waiting for someone to say that :)
TBH and you can ask my now grown up daughters, I can't actually remember smacking my kids, perhaps a light tap, but just the fact they
had upset me was normally enough to make them behave.
They also knew that I didn't make threats, if I said misbehaviour would mean something it did, on only one occasion did that result
in us actually leaving somewhere we had paid an entry fee and driven a long way to get to, 2 upset kids because they missed an enjoyable
day out, but they learnt the lesson the hard way and enjoyed things a lot more.
Today I was in a local park trying to get some fallow deer shots, several other photographers there, all set up and watching, every time a fight between
deer started, one guy tried to get in closer, breaking it up as the deer moved off and he kept getting in my line of vision
 
Gremlin said:
very time a fight between
deer started, one guy tried to get in closer, breaking it up as the deer moved off and he kept getting in my line of vision
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I blame the parents myself :D
 
Cobra said:
But what age are children capable of deciphering what you are saying?
Sometimes a short sharp shock works far better than
Please don't put that fork in that wall socket .........
f*** too late ;)
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I think a corrective action to get them out of a dangerous situation is not the same as smacking them because they've done some thing naughty. Sticking a fork in the socket is not naughty, it is dangerous. As is holding your hand or anything else in an open fire, or simply leaning against radiator pipes etc.

One should adapt the language to an age appropriate conversation and explanation of the situation. Both when something is dangerous, immediately following the corrective action applied such that they know it isn't telling off, or becomes fun for attention seeking. Or in the case of naughtiness explain why they are naughty and what the consequences are. Naturally when they are younger it may have to be repeated. But smacking or shouting at them won't help to understand the root of the issue.

However in the case of a fork in the wall socket I would smack my wife as she obviously forgotten to put the guards back on the sockets :eek: :joke:
 
dejongj said:
As is holding your hand or anything else in an open fire, .
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The best way to deal with that, I found, the only time one looked as though he was going to touch a hot glass fronted gas fire, and looked at me sideways before hand,
was to say "OK go on then"
but he knew what he was about to do was wrong before hand ;)
dejongj said:
But smacking or shouting at them won't help to understand the root of the issue.
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Both of mine had a slap across the back of the legs more than once.
They didn't "do it" again, what ever it was.
You can't reason with children under a certain age. ( I think its under 5 years old, but I can't be sure now) They just don't understand what you are saying.

dejongj said:
However in the case of a fork in the wall socket I would smack my wife as she obviously forgotten to put the guards back on the sockets :eek:
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Excellent idea :thumbs:
 
Cobra said:
You can't reason with children under a certain age. ( I think its under 5 years old, but I can't be sure now) They just don't understand what you are saying.
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No different than with most poster in OOF :P Just have to speak slooowly, louder and repeat over and over and over again...
 
Well this was the best I managed to get......
Sunda Gharial by Liebe ist Fur Alle Da, on Flickr

A bit noisy due to no flash... and I had to up the black quite a bit more than I usually would and do a lot of cloning to get rid of the reflections and people in front of me, but hey at least I got something


As most were like this, with one or two people in front of me (adults not children)
plus reflections as well
Sunda Gharial by Liebe ist Fur Alle Da, on Flickr


Going to go back and re-edit and see if I can improve on any that I got on the day.
 
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Flipping adults. Their children should teach them not to push to the front :p
 
Took my little girl to the zoo yesterday, and am happy to report that she didn't push in front of anyone all day, and was very well behaved.

Thought you all might like to know :D
 
SO after 217 posts does the OP feel better or still feel like throwing his Toys out of the Pram??
 
Nikon_Nick said:
Took my little girl to the zoo yesterday, and am happy to report that she didn't push in front of anyone all day, and was very well behaved.

Thought you all might like to know :D
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I bet she felt like the odd one out though :D
 
stryvya said:
SO after 217 posts does the OP feel better or still feel like throwing his Toys out of the Pram??
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Op wonders how we got into a 200 post debate on bad children, youth nowadays and smacking among other things...

When my main gripe was pushy parents, inconsiderate adults and iPad wielding couples ;-)

And about manners in general , not that photographers have more rights than the rest of the public , but that in ANY situation where there is a que... It's rude to push in .
 
gothgirl said:
Op wonders how we got into a 200 post debate on bad children, youth nowadays and smacking among other things...

When my main gripe was pushy parents, inconsiderate adults and iPad wielding couples ;-)

And about manners in general , not that photographers have more rights than the rest of the public , but that in ANY situation where there is a que... It's rude to push in .
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You don't actually believe she read the whole thread though do you?
 
Nikon_Nick said:
You don't actually believe she read the whole thread though do you?
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I have actually, and replied in some places... but I've slept between readings posts, so forgive me if I don't remember every single post / point, trifle joke and zoo song.
 
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gothgirl said:
I have actually, and replied in some places... but I've slept between readings posts, so forgive me if I don't remember every single post / point, trifle joke and zoo song.
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I think you've got the wrong end of the stick. I was sticking up for you.
 
gothgirl said:
Well this was the best I managed to get......
Sunda Gharial by Liebe ist Fur Alle Da, on Flickr
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that's a really nice shot -(i'd be inclined to crop off the above water strip at the top which is over exposed)

but think how much better it could have been if you'd picked up some little brat and thrown them over to top of the safety guards ;)
 
gothgirl said:
Well this was the best I managed to get......
Sunda Gharial by Liebe ist Fur Alle Da, on Flickr

A bit noisy due to no flash... and I had to up the black quite a bit more than I usually would and do a lot of cloning to get rid of the reflections and people in front of me, but hey at least I got something


As most were like this, with one or two people in front of me (adults not children)
plus reflections as well
Sunda Gharial by Liebe ist Fur Alle Da, on Flickr


Going to go back and re-edit and see if I can improve on any that I got on the day.
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In all seriousness, i think if you had taken a step back (if possible) and worked the composition to get some more of the people in you could have got a good result. It may not have been the image you wanted, or the one you waited for, but it could have been an unexpected outcome to a bad situation.

With the first image, I would crop out the water line to hide the fact the croc was in a tank (at least at first glance).

Good shots and what a fantastic animal!
 
Going back to the original point in this thread, I was struggling to figure out how when waiting for a photo op that people could push in front of you.

If I'm at a zoo/aquarium I fully expect the only way to get shots uninterrupted is to be directly at the barrier/glass. There is then no way anyone can push in front.

If for some reason I wanted to be a few feet back I would 100% expect somebody to wander in front of me in such a busy family orientated place, it's human nature to want to be as close as possible and I wouldn't expect kids not to fill the space.

I sympathise with 'non photographers' in many places. Wandering around the paddock at something like the Festival of Speed is a good example, there are so many 'photographers' you are constantly stopping to avoid passing in front of a shot. If I want a longer shot of a car I will just wait in position patiently for a gap to open naturally, but many are very assertive in similar situations.
 
ukaskew said:
Going back to the original point in this thread, I was struggling to figure out how when waiting for a photo op that people could push in front of you.

If I'm at a zoo/aquarium I fully expect the only way to get shots uninterrupted is to be directly at the barrier/glass. There is then no way anyone can push in front.

If for some reason I wanted to be a few feet back I would 100% expect somebody to wander in front of me in such a busy family orientated place, it's human nature to want to be as close as possible and I wouldn't expect kids not to fill the space.

I sympathise with 'non photographers' in many places. Wandering around the paddock at something like the Festival of Speed is a good example, there are so many 'photographers' you are constantly stopping to avoid passing in front of a shot. If I want a longer shot of a car I will just wait in position patiently for a gap to open naturally, but many are very assertive in similar situations.
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If you look at my photo you'll see what I mean

The gharial swims right in front of the glass so you have to take a step back to get it all in
 
Incredible this thread is still going, I've been following it on and off. What I find is its not just kids who are ignorant but almost anyone. They simply haven't taken the time to consider that you are there or are waiting to photograph something. Nothing we can do about it except politely as them to move. I guess this is what you can expect if going to public places where there's going to be lots of people.///
 
gothgirl said:
The gharial swims right in front of the glass so you have to take a step back to get it all in
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Wider angle lens ;)

Or you could lob a small child into the tank to encourage it to move back
 
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