Identity theft is not against the law

woof woof said:
If these things go to your address how does the scammer then get hold of them?
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And also other details too. I am assuming Companies House required some forms of personal and business identification before they accept the setting up of a company.

Dave
 
woof woof said:
If these things go to your address how does the scammer then get hold of them?
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I am thinking anyone else named in the company can then go to tax office or anywhere else and say they have lost x info... as a director can you forward to bla blah ??
 
OK so finally a reply from companies house .... After thinking about it I do get there side BUT on first glance its not very sympathetic and feels like they think I am trying to gte out of somethign

again posted for anyone else going through this in the future and what they can expect


Dear Julie,

Thank you for your email and for providing your crime reference number, I have noted it on our system.

I am sorry to hear that your details have been provided to us without your consent.

Examination of our records shows that you have been appointed as a director and secretary on the company’s incorporation document (form IN01).

We can assist you by removing the director and secretary appointment's from the public register.

To enable us to do this, you will need to send us:

* A form RP02A
* A form RP06

The forms RP02A & RP06 can be submitted using our online document upload service, or you can send them by post.

Once received, if the forms are acceptable, we will send a notice by post to the applicant, the company and its officers.

The law states, we must give the company at least 28 days to respond to our notice and we cannot remove any information until after that time has passed.

If there are any issues with your forms, we will reject the relevant application and contact you to let you know.

Unfortunately, rejection of the form RP06 or RP02A will cause a delay in us being able remove the relevant appointment from the register.

Further to the above, the company record shows that you are also registered as the Person with Significant Control (PSC) and as a shareholder.

Unfortunately, the current legislation does not provide the Registrar with any administrative powers to remove the PSC or shareholder information from the register.

I understand this will be disappointing and I am sorry that we cannot remove the information for you. However, it may be possible to remove the information by providing us with a suitably worded court order.

If you do decide to explore this avenue, our legal team would appreciate sight of the proposed draft order and any supporting evidence so they can provide you with a letter of non-objection which can be presented to the Court to show the Registrar’s standing in this matter.

Please note, acceptance of a court order by Companies House will result in the order being placed on the public register.

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Our records show the above address is being used by the company as their registered office address.

If this is your address and you have not given consent for it to be used, we can assist you by replacing the registered office address with a Companies House default address.

To enable us to do this, you will need to send us:

* A form RP07
* Supporting evidence, showing your rights to the address

Acceptable types of documentation to support your RP07 application may be one of the following:

* A Utility Bill - dated within the last 6 months
* A Land Registry Deed - dated within the last 12 months
* A written agreement - allowing the applicant to use the address
* Documents showing the applicant’s rights in the address - such as leasehold or freehold
* Written evidence of the start & end of a contract - If you are a Service Provider

Before sending your application, please ensure the name that appears on your supporting evidence matches the name of the applicant provided at section 1 of the RP07 application.

The form RP07 and supporting evidence can be submitted using our online document upload service, or you can send them by post.

Need help completing the form? Please see our RP07 Checklist Guidance

Want a detailed overview of the RP07 process? Please see our RP07 Process Guidance

Want a detailed overview of the RP06 process? Please see our RP06 Process Guidance.

Want a detailed overview of the RP02A process? Please see our RP02A Process Guidance.

Kind regards,

Mr G Darke

Operational Officer

Registrar’s Functions
 
Remember this is all in my mussus name not mine but I am trying to sort for her... My initial reaction was that these things happen in the world we live in :( and the best thing to do is go through the motions then in the future when anyone comes looking for money I will have all the evidence and all will be well

However now my mood has silthly changed and for the first time I am thinking I want to find the actual person responsible and pay them a little visit :(
 
It grinds my gears to read the strife this has given you and your wife.

CH by their very nature work very prescriptively, such is legally based bureaucracy :headbang:

Do I read the CH response correctly that there are other 'officers' of the company? If so are they either/and/or other unwitting persons.......or perhaps one or more are the perpetrators of the 'action'???

I hope you can sort out a resolution but sadly as you have found it is longer path than it should be!
 
Box Brownie said:
It grinds my gears to read the strife this has given you and your wife.

CH by their very nature work very prescriptively, such is legally based bureaucracy :headbang:

Do I read the CH response correctly that there are other 'officers' of the company? If so are they either/and/or other unwitting persons.......or perhaps one or more are the perpetrators of the 'action'???

I hope you can sort out a resolution but sadly as you have found it is longer path than it should be!
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There is somebody else listed.. or at least another address... I have no idea if they are the ones responsible.. I am guessing they are.. or as you say another unwitting person but I would guess the former..
 
I wonder what the new company is for? Is this the kind of thing that got fraudulent loans given out during Covid?
 
KIPAX said:
There is somebody else listed.. or at least another address... I have no idea if they are the ones responsible.. I am guessing they are.. or as you say another unwitting person but I would guess the former..
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Have you examined all the documents loaded and do they give any other insights to help you?
 
Box Brownie said:
Have you examined all the documents loaded and do they give any other insights to help you?
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unfortunatley not :( the other address is in london.. looked on google maps doesnt seem to be a business address
 
On the companies house website you can search for directors; if you search for the other person, does anything else come up?
 
Do you know what.. I am just going to put it out there :( In case anyone has any helpful insights :)

MINATI LTD
Company number 14347250

Julie Worden is my missus and the Accrington address is ours...
 
I would advise everyone to go on companies house now and then and search for there home address....
 
So.. I ahvent got a solicitor.. never had one.. never needed one.... I have now sent an email to my local company outlining the problems and what we have done about it and asked if thats enough or do I need there help as well... So really asking if they can do anything I cant do... I await there reply
 
Had a quick dig around, no joy, I'm afraid.
 
I have had a quick look around though on my phone.

I can only see your OH listed on CH and she is the only one on the document I downloaded with a single share in her name.

There is however a correspondence address for an apartment in a private block in Twyford in Berkshire.

Now AFAIK the correspondence address is the one all documents would go i.e. 'the service address' compared to your address being the registered address and I surmise that is why you got the bank letters.
 
Box Brownie said:
I have had a quick look around though on my phone.

I can only see your OH listed on CH and she is the only one on the document I downloaded with a single share in her name.

There is however a correspondence address for an apartment in a private block in Twyford in Berkshire.

Now AFAIK the correspondence address is the one all documents would go i.e. 'the service address' compared to your address being the registered address and I surmise that is why you got the bank letters.
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We got the companies house letter and the HMRC tax code.. I am guessing could have gone to both :( or the other person could just request the info
 
I have this .gov useful info about the difference between each type of address

www.gov.uk

Set up a private limited company

Incorporate a private limited company - register it with Companies House and rules on directors, shares, articles of association and telling HMRC about the company.
www.gov.uk www.gov.uk

At this stage I can only think it might be a good idea to do an electoral roll search to confirm who lives at that Twyford address. And subject to what you (or may be legally advised) report as appropriate to the Reading Council and/or Berkshire Police ???

PS re Police, especially as you have a Crime Ref Number from your local Police
 
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woof woof said:
Amazing.

That's modern policing I guess.
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It's not the job of the police to make up laws, only to enforce them. If it is not illegal then that is a job for the politicians so don't hold your breath.
 
@KIPAX
Further to my heads up re: Electoral Roll

I have found the flat in question was last sold in 2015 and for £3 you can get a sub-set copy of the Land Registry that IIRC always has the name of the last purchaser.

Summary of leasehold - Search for land and property information

search-property-information.service.gov.uk search-property-information.service.gov.uk

Now, as it a leasehold there may be a restrictive covenant about running a business from the flat or indeed about sub-letting???

So, if you can reconcile the name on the registry to reveal whether there is a mismatch with the Roll to show that a sub-let tenant is the occupant.....?

Hopefully more Grist for your Mill.
 
PS to the above I was also looking to see if the Block of flats has its own management company and cannot find one.....

But all the flats have two listings Leasehold & Freehold, so it may be that the Freehold was sold to each of the flat leaseholders.......but the Restrictive Covenants, if there are any might still be in force.


I hope when/if you drill down you will find the information that I suggest and perceive will be useful to you.

Either way I am hoping you can find 'something' to drive this forward and put into place some protective measures :thinking:
 
I have some other observations.

As a Tax Payer I have a UTR and my NI Number.....any letters I get will have both entries on them. So was the HMRC letter you received to the 'Company' or your wife as an individual? Though either way, perhaps best to write to the HMRC raising the issue?

Also, I thought that to register a company as per the pasted comms it says to make changes you need to provide one form, from their list, of identification to prove who you are. Therefore just what 'proof' did the person who claimed to be your wife provide?

Lastly, I did find a clothing company on Instagram who have a website domain registered on 30th Aug 2022....and its website shows $ prices so target market is USA ?

Now if I add 2+2 and make 5, I wonder if your problem is, based on the same industry and the closeness in date of the .com website and the company formation on 9th September 2022 that you have been setup up as the patsy in a possibly fraudulent person wanting to rip off the clothing brand.

The website I found was
k r a s h m i n a t i (dot) com (NB remove spaces to look at it.

Edit - that is a named individual who is musician who has started a clothing brand!

PS as for who or which organisation you should approach to get 'the powers that be interested' I have no idea and hope the best for you to resolve it without too much hassle!
 
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So tried a local solicitors who says they only deal in defending people accused of somehting and my best bet was cistizens advice buraue

so got in touch with CAB who gave us a return call this morning ... and basically said.. they cant help with business advice and couldnt help us.. simple as that :(

so its fill out form RP06 and form RP07 - Hope we have filled it out correctly otherwise it gets refused and another 28 day process starts :(

it would seem nobody (other than this forum) gives a monkeys and is prepared to help :(
 
Box Brownie said:
The website I found was
k r a s h m i n a t i (dot) com (NB remove spaces to look at it.
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cheers but cant find any link apart from part of name same.. it appears its a pretty well used name anyway minati :(
 
KIPAX said:
So tried a local solicitors who says they only deal in defending people accused of somehting and my best bet was cistizens advice buraue

so got in touch with CAB who gave us a return call this morning ... and basically said.. they cant help with business advice and couldnt help us.. simple as that :(

so its fill out form RP06 and form RP07 - Hope we have filled it out correctly otherwise it gets refused and another 28 day process starts :(

it would seem nobody (other than this forum) gives a monkeys and is prepared to help :(
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That response from a solicitor makes me wonder if you can lodge with them (or am I living in a different Century ~ don't answer that ;) ) some documents covering the situation etc.

Then as such if something comes back to bite you have a dated & recorded 'note' on file :thinking:

PS I feel for you to not have found a straightforward process to sort this out.

PPS I return to my thoughts in posts #58 , 60 & 61 in regard to who has set up the business and if they are acting illegally in setting it up ~ a bit like Al Capone was caught for Tax Evasion not gangsterism & racketeering ?
 
KIPAX said:
So tried a local solicitors who says they only deal in defending people accused of somehting and my best bet was cistizens advice buraue

so got in touch with CAB who gave us a return call this morning ... and basically said.. they cant help with business advice and couldnt help us.. simple as that :(

so its fill out form RP06 and form RP07 - Hope we have filled it out correctly otherwise it gets refused and another 28 day process starts :(

it would seem nobody (other than this forum) gives a monkeys and is prepared to help :(
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Send an email to the Chief Constable of Berkshire Police, outlining what has happened, and that you are suspicious of the activities of the person living at the Tywford address. It might not achieve anything but you have nothing to loose.
 
Box Brownie said:
That response from a solicitor makes me wonder if you can lodge with them (or am I living in a different Century ~ don't answer that ;) ) some documents covering the situation etc.

Then as such if something comes back to bite you have a dated & recorded 'note' on file :thinking:

PS I feel for you to not have found a straightforward process to sort this out.

PPS I return to my thoughts in posts #58 , 60 & 61 in regard to who has set up the business and if they are acting illegally in setting it up ~ a bit like Al Capone was caught for Tax Evasion not gangsterism & racketeering ?
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the thing is.. i cant do anyhting about people setting up bisuness.. as the fraud polic explained.. only any eprson being owed money actually being conned can... all i can do it gte her name off this company :(
 
L320Rio said:
Send an email to the Chief Constable of Berkshire Police, outlining what has happened, and that you are suspicious of the activities of the person living at the Tywford address. It might not achieve anything but you have nothing to loose.
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good idea.. gonna do that now :) like you say.. worth an email ..
 
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This may be adding to the can of worms, but I wonder about contacting the HMRC Fraud hotline to tell them about it, making clear (and keeping your own record of this) that this business is fraudulently using your wifes name and address?
 
When I searched companies house I only searched for Julies name and our address.... I never thought to search the other address... juts did and there seems a lot of business from that building thats supposed to be residentioal... see here

All search results - Find and update company information - GOV.UK

Free company information from Companies House including registered office address, filing history, accounts, annual return, officers, charges, business activity
find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk
 
lindsay said:
This may be adding to the can of worms, but I wonder about contacting the HMRC Fraud hotline to tell them about it, making clear (and keeping your own record of this) that this business is fraudulently using your wifes name and address?
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Right.. took a bit of doing but I ahve filled out the appropriate forms.. thanks i didnt know about this..:)
 
L320Rio said:
Send an email to the Chief Constable of Berkshire Police, outlining what has happened, and that you are suspicious of the activities of the person living at the Tywford address. It might not achieve anything but you have nothing to loose.
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Apparently its thames valley police.. I ahve been in touch and got a reference number from them :) thanks :)
 
L320Rio said:
Send an email to the Chief Constable of Berkshire Police, outlining what has happened, and that you are suspicious of the activities of the person living at the Tywford address. It might not achieve anything but you have nothing to loose.
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So they have responded saying that because the police fraud have not identified it as a crime (sigh :( ) then they cant act upon it :)
 
Anyone dealing with the company MINATI may search social media for them with them being new.... so I ahve started the ball rolling :) Can you have a looksy please.... Any LIKES would be good to make it more active... will setup a twitter one later

Facebook

www.facebook.com www.facebook.com

I only thought about it ten minutes ago so its dffo work in progress... need a business page really..
 
KIPAX said:
Anyone dealing with the company MINATI may search social media for them with them being new.... so I ahve started the ball rolling :) Can you have a looksy please.... Any LIKES would be good to make it more active... will setup a twitter one later

Facebook

www.facebook.com www.facebook.com

I only thought about it ten minutes ago so its dffo work in progress... need a business page really..
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I searched Minati and it seems to be a common Indian name. Your post did not come up.
 
I'm not on facebook so can only wish you the best in this.

It is appalling that people can do this and the legal system just seems to shrug and ignore it.
 
Contact BBC 'Ripoff Britain' programme, maybe they might follow it up
 
wilki said:
Contact BBC 'Ripoff Britain' programme, maybe they might follow it up
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I feel it needs something to happen first :( Apparently no laws have been broken... Our worry and distress.. the time taken to try and fix it.. nothing.... its not a problem until someone is defrauded out of money and then its only them that can complain.. not us.. Even if they come knocking on our door for money we still cant make a compalint to the police..

But if when that happens then I will start contacting people (bbc as you suggest amongst others) .. but right now as far as everyone is concerned.. nobody has done anythign wrong..... amazing as that sounds:(
 
I can understand your worry and distress, Kipax and I guess huge annoyance that according to the law no offence has been committed.

I love to ask those who defend such a law, to give even one honest, bona fide reason why a person would set up a company using an address they have no connection with and using the name of someone they do not know.

Sometimes, as the saying goes - the law is an ass.

Hope nothing bad comes of this, but at least you have proof the company has nothing to do with your wife or your address.

Dave
 
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