ID cards

[hepburn]

I can think of dozens of reasons why we should have ID cards. And I've just seen another one - YOU!

why? because he cannot express himself very well? He made a point, albeit poorly.

People who get aggro off the police usually do so because they give aggro.

Agreed

This often stems from problems with positive ID.

Agreed

If the Police Officer does not believe the name provided and there is no valid form of id provided then it's off to the local police station.

Agreed

Producing an ID card to quickly and positively confirm one's identity will enable both parties to continue on their way quickly and with no aggro.

Pure conjecture. Amongst other things, I carry a photo driving licence and passport at all times. They would quickly prove my ID - Fact, not conjecture. And frankly my "attitude" would determine how much aggro was involved. To suggest an ID card would eliminate aggro is again pure conjecture and completely down to the attitude of all involved, including the official/s.

ID cards will, in such circumstances, result in quicker on-street processing.

Again, not true. It may in some circumstances, but it's no guarantee.

I feel sad that there are people who wouldn't feel proud to carry a UK ID card - or are fearful of having to provide accurate ID information to a police officer. Are you that ashamed of who you are?

Now the above is where you depart from a reasoned logical debate by getting all emotive on us. What has pride got to do with carrying an ID card? Where is what shame and for what? and more importantly, as you should know, this is not just about providing information to a police officer. If it was there would not be such legitimate concern that there is!

What a sh!te state this country is in.

:nono: The :rules: state you should not evade the swear filter.

 

[hepburn]

No it won't and no it won't. It's an IDENTIFICATION (<<- clue) CARD not a data repository. The data is already held elsewhere.

Erm... No, not all of it is available elsewhere.

 

[hepburn]

Heppers, you are just picking holes in everything I say now.

Not in the slightest Marc. I was just explaining why your stance is flawed.

I have yet to be convinced by the nay sayers in this and it is their role to convince me, not the other way around as they are the ones making the allegations.

Really? So you're saying we should accept every plan put to us unless we can convince people it's a bad plan? So by default a bad plan with unaccepted objection becomes a good plan?

I could spend the entire day answering every point and you responding to my every point in turn, going round in circles until we both collapse with exhaustion and we still won't agree.

Well i do believe our personal circumstances would allow the time? We might never agree but some people who read this may be swayed one way or the other. Are we to deprive them?

I know I've said it before, but I am this time going to step away from the discussion.

As is your right. But you leave behind a flawed and damaged stance with no further input to try and restore it? :shrug:

However, I won't hold it against you when we do eventually meet. We are after all, fellow photographers eh?

 

[Ewan]

The data is already held elsewhere.

No it isn't. You will be required to visit an 'interview centre' near you to provide the information for the National Identity Register.