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Well got the AF Nikon lens 28-80mm off the bay and it all past the normal checks that you do with something new, but just found out when I set the F90x to "A" and set the lens, it's one stop out in the readout and viewfinder i.e. lens set at F5.6 would show F8. Well it works alright with the Sigma zoom so it's not the camera and I've cleaned the contacts...and the only thing I can think of is that it was assembled wrong as I can't see any way of adjusting the pins back so they give the correct reading.
Now what I don't know if on "S" does it really stop down to what it says in the viewfinder, well I have tested the lens last year, after I bought it, and the results were good, but then I only use neg film and the film tolerance covered me...but still annoyed at Nikon. :(
 
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Sorry Brian, I'm very confused. That's easily done though.

Firstly, which 28-80 is it? Mine doesn't have an aperture ring.

Second, if it does have an aperture ring, shouldn't it be locked at smallest aperture to use on the F90?
 
Why annoyed at Nikon?

Surely if you got it off 'the bay' it is the seller you should be annoyed with, as it may have been modified/repaired since leaving the factory?

Have you tried the lens on another Nikon camera?
 
But he's talking about setting the lens at f5.6 which suggests it's not a G. That's what's throwing me.
 
I think that the 'D' version relies on the step in the apeture ring to set the aperture in the camera when using it manually, this may have been modified or got worn which would cause the body to read the aperture incorrectly, no lens electronics involved.
 
It's the "D" and off camera, setting the aperture it is correct in that the aperture closes at each F number from f3.5 to f22 that's why I didn't reject the lens...... attached to the camera it's f5.6 to f32 also same when camera is set to "M"......and about a month ago gave my 401 away.
I've looked at the screws at the back of the lens and they are black like new. As said when the Sigma is set to "A" or "M" it is correct.
 
dizidav said:
I think that the 'D' version relies on the step in the apeture ring to set the aperture in the camera when using it manually, this may have been modified or got worn which would cause the body to read the aperture incorrectly, no lens electronics involved.
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You might have a point there as looking at the back you have the sloping bit then going around about 20 degrees there is a stop and there is an indentation in the plastic..I was wondering if I put a bit of araldite there it might work.....but then it would need a large movement for the pins to be back one stop I would think, so it would have to be a large dollop of araldite.
 
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simon ess said:
If it's not working as it should I'd send it back before butchering it.
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To long ago now as I bought it last Sept and it's my fault as I don't use the 90x much and would have noticed it sooner.
 
simon ess said:
If it's not working as it should I'd send it back before butchering it.
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excalibur2 said:
To long ago now as I bought it last Sept
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excalibur2 said:
To long ago now as I bought it last Sept and it's my fault as I don't use the 90x much and would have noticed it sooner.
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Ooops!

You know, I'm struggling to convince myself there's a problem with it - not sure why. They did make tens of thousands of these and I can't find any reference to this problem on google.

Can you borrow another camera or even send it to someone else to try.

Anything rather than butcher it.

It does go to max. aperture f5.6 at 80mm but that doesn't explain the f32 bit.
 
Brian, I do understand the annoyance but I am not sure it is pointed in the right direction. I have bought a number of lenses from ebay over the years and on the whole I have done well and got some real bargains. But I always factor in for risk! Recently I have received three lenses all of which have faults not described by the the seller. In two cases the sellers have refunded without any quibble, in the third case the seller has accused me of dropping the lens and that is why its faulty. I have recognised I am not going to win this one but accept that in 100's of transactions over the years this sort of thing is generally rare and I chalk the £60 loss up to experience. The point of my ramble is that you take a risk on ebay, whatever the seller says or claims and every so often you will get a dud. There is one sure fire way to avoid this, buy new or used from a dealer with a guarantee. Also it would seem prudent to put a lens through its paces soon after purchase! Just my view though.
 
I think I would definitely be finding another body to try on it on too, just to make sure it is a lens issue. Pointless being annoyed at Nikon though, every so often a lens will fail in some way [either down to wear and tear or abuse, manufacturing failure is usually within first few years of its life if its going to fail], that is simply a law of averages. No idea where you are, but I have an F80 you can test on if in/near nth london
 
is that not just the range at 80mm then? ie f5.6 down to f32? Was the lens at 28mm when testing this, or 80mm, or somewhere in between? If zoomed to 80mm I would expect the display to show f5.6.

Either way, to use this on an F90x you shouldn't be using the aperture ring to set the aperture, you use the command dial (or whatever it's called). The aperture ring should be locked at f22.
 
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TheGreatSoprendo said:
is that not just the range at 80mm then? ie f5.6 down to f32? Was the lens at 28mm when testing this, or 80mm, or somewhere in between? If zoomed to 80mm I would expect the display to show f5.6.
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Yes, that's it.

Specifications
Name: Nikon calls this the Nikon AF Nikkor 28-80mm f/3.5-5.6D.
Optics: 8 elements in 8 groups. Spherical, multi-coated.
Close Focus: 1.3 feet (0.4m) at all focal lengths; excellent and much more convenient than more expensive lenses.
Diaphragm: Unusually nice 7 blade rounded. Stopping down to f/22 (28mm) to f/36 (80mm).
Filter Thread: 58mm. You can step this up to 77mm for filter compatibility with pro lenses.
Size: Nikon specifies 2.9" (57mm) long by 2.5" (63mm) diameter.
Weight: 9.320 oz. (264.3g). Nikon specifies 9 oz. (250g).
 
Yv said:
I think I would definitely be finding another body to try on it on too, just to make sure it is a lens issue. Pointless being annoyed at Nikon though, every so often a lens will fail in some way [either down to wear and tear or abuse, manufacturing failure is usually within first few years of its life if its going to fail], that is simply a law of averages. No idea where you are, but I have an F80 you can test on if in/near nth london
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...and this lens is not built to the usual Nikon standards, not by a long chalk....plastic mount and innards.
 
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Well yes Adrian too true, I normally get my lenses from boot sales and the boot sale AF Sigma with 401 and goodies for £12 actually worked :eek:, but I normally buy manual lenses and less to go wrong.
Anyway tried tiny bits of duct tape to cover the stop indentation and didn't screw the lens fully home and it's still one stop out...so it's not that.
Comparing to the Sigma (which is better made) it looks like the whole assembly (mount and all) needs to move around about 15 degrees....... so that's that.
Just a check, does your Nikon lens show F22 (for auto etc) at dead center?
 
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TheGreatSoprendo said:
...and this lens is not built to the usual Nikon standards, not by a long chalk....plastic mount and innards.
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Thanks but if the AF sigma works perfectly why shouldn't the Nikon lens..tried a manual Nikon lens but it wont show the F number or meter properly.
 
Hi Brian, I sold my 28-80mm a while ago and replaced it with a 28-105, which is a much higher quality construction. As I recall my 28-80mm (the first Nikon AF I owned) produced some quite good images but behaved quite strangely. It did not always display the correct information in the viewfinder of my F100, I think these were a cheap Nikon lens made by a third party as a kit lens for their plastic range of AF 35mm's. Whist annoying that it doesn't work properly, if it turns out a good image all is not lost?
PS As a 50 something I attended my first car boot only recently, I picked up some great Minolta MF primes, this might be the better route for you to secure the kit you want. at least you get to see and the the stuff in the flesh! I am guessing that I might not need to sell you the virtue of the car boot sale though!
 
Jao said:
Hi Brian, I sold my 28-80mm a while ago and replaced it with a 28-105, which is a much higher quality construction. As I recall my 28-80mm (the first Nikon AF I owned) produced some quite good images but behaved quite strangely. It did not always display the correct information in the viewfinder of my F100, I think these were a cheap Nikon lens made by a third party as a kit lens for their plastic range of AF 35mm's. Whist annoying that it doesn't work properly, if it turns out a good image all is not lost?
PS As a 50 something I attended my first car boot only recently, I picked up some great Minolta MF primes, this might be the better route for you to secure the kit you want. at least you get to see and the the stuff in the flesh! I am guessing that I might not need to sell you the virtue of the car boot sale though!
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Well Adrian I'm mainly a manual lens man, and only got the Nikon AF cos I was getting fast grandchildren OOF, so the Nikon D 28-80mm seems about right for £18 for occasional use.
 
simon ess said:
That's excellent news Brian, but I think @TheGreatSoprendo must take most of the credit.
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Well done Francesco....but gotta think now, if I use manually or use "A" above say 50mm I'm going to get the wrong exposure reading.....oh **** I'll let the film's latitude sort that out.
 
Glad to be of service!

The camera should sort it all out to be honest, eg in M it will only offer you f5.6 if zoomed to 80mm and that is what you'll get. If you are trying to use for quick shots I'd leave in P personally.
 
I feel a thread title change in the air :)
 
TheGreatSoprendo said:
Glad to be of service!

The camera should sort it all out to be honest, eg in M it will only offer you f5.6 if zoomed to 80mm and that is what you'll get. If you are trying to use for quick shots I'd leave in P personally.
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That's what I did last time i.e. set on "P", but the grandchildren are going to stay with us for about 3 or 4 days soon, so brushed the cobwebs off the F90x, got the instruction book out and thought I'd use it to it's full potential.
 
Pretty sure this was the kit lens I got with my first "modern" (as in AF!) SLR, an F65. Not a great lens but was enough to get me back into photography. Only recently parted with that body - traded it in against a [heresy]D750[/heresy] and got £150 for it - about 15x its real value!
 
Nod said:
Pretty sure this was the kit lens I got with my first "modern" (as in AF!) SLR, an F65. Not a great lens but was enough to get me back into photography. Only recently parted with that body - traded it in against a [heresy]D750[/heresy] and got £150 for it - about 15x its real value!
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Well I got the 28-80mm because it had good reviews, and IIRC even from the great photographer....Ken Rockwell ;)
 
excalibur2 said:
I'm going to get the wrong exposure reading.....oh **** I'll let the film's latitude sort that out.
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The exposure will be fine. The camera will meter using the actual light coming through the lens and work out how much extra it needs by knowing how many stops it will be closed down. It doesn't care what the actual f No. is.


Steve.
 
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Nod said:
Pretty sure this was the kit lens I got with my first "modern" (as in AF!) SLR, an F65. Not a great lens but was enough to get me back into photography. Only recently parted with that body - traded it in against a [heresy]D750[/heresy] and got £150 for it - about 15x its real value!
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You could make a mint buying up all the crappy F50/55/60/65/70/75 bodies if you can sell them for that much...even excellent cameras like the F80/90 normally go for peanuts these days.
 
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Good grief, Brian.
How long have you been taking pics?
3.5 - 5.6 :ROFLMAO:
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Well Ken I didn't have any problems when I just had my Pentax S3 :D But nearly all my zooms are fixed F number, and others variable have markings for wide angle and tele..but still I should have remembered for this Nikon :rolleyes:
 
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A Nikon AF lens for 18 quid, minimum expectation ought to be that its round........and a bonafide bargain if it comes with glass in it...

incorrect f/stop id in the viewfinder seems like a minor detail...:)
 
joxby said:
A Nikon AF lens for 18 quid, minimum expectation ought to be that its round........and a bonafide bargain if it comes with glass in it...

incorrect f/stop id in the viewfinder seems like a minor detail...:)
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:D Well you know me:- the worth of something starts at a boot sale price and as this Nikon lens didn't turn up at the bootie after 6 months (and carrying a 401 around to test)........ was forced to pay £18 on the bay. :(
 
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