I used to think trump was mad

Phil V said:
I see the spreading of hatred and fear hasn't worked then :thinking:
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I'm not quite sure what you mean by that comment, or if it's somehow directly aimed at me, maybe I'm having a blonde moment (or grey in my case, lol)
 
the black fox said:
a umpalumpa that might soon have control of the worlds largest and most advanced armoury in the world .one that also has a strange but probably truthful way of looking at the world stage ,and one that i feel if elected will be the next u.s president on the assination list .the question is should we look up to him or condone him ,the free world we like to live in needs a strong america and also a strong russia .without the yanks a lot of us wouldn't be here ,without the russians ww2 would probably still be raging .
personally i see trump as a good counterbalance to putin .obama is to inward looking and that puts the rest of the world in danger ,clinton is a lying bimbo that i wouldn't trust any more than corbyn .
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....Can you imagine what international politics would be like if, heaven forbid, Corbyn became PM here and Trump became el presidente across the pond!? I think I would then possibly prefer Putin!
 
RedRobin said:
....Can you imagine what international politics would be like if, heaven forbid, Corbyn became PM here and Trump became el presidente across the pond!? I think I would then possibly prefer Putin!
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Right now Putin is probably the least corrupt of them all. Corbyn would be unprecedented disaster for UK but in the grand scheme UK is now a small country.

But trump could mean big business. He is not sitting in anybody's pocket and he knows the establishment tricks. It remains to be seen how corrupt he really is but I have faith he is still way better than bushes and clinton mob
 
viv1969 said:
Oh yeah.
The butcher of Grozny is sweetness and light.
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He butchered a few jihadists there for sure. Once again, how much mess did UK+US cause in the Middle East? And it is still ongoing. In comparison I think my statement still stands unchallenged.
 
LongLensPhotography said:
He butchered a few jihadists there for sure. Once again, how much mess did UK+US cause in the Middle East? And it is still ongoing. In comparison I think my statement still stands unchallenged.
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You realise that "title" is bestowed for his crimes in Chechnya 16 years ago, yes?
 
viv1969 said:
You realise that "title" is bestowed for his crimes in Chechnya 16 years ago, yes?
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Are we now talking "body counts"? You can do the maths yourself :)

I have little admiration for Putin other than the fact he stood up against Obama's divide-and-ruin petrodollar war machine and got rid of the foreign interests oligarchs. It takes a lot of courage to go down that route even if your job title is the president of superstate. Sadly there is not a single act of modern day western leaders that I find both heroic, smart and pragmatic. It's all about wars, consolidation of wealth, erosion of personal freedoms and endless austerity.
 
LongLensPhotography said:
Are we now talking "body counts"? You can do the maths yourself :)

I have little admiration for Putin other than the fact he stood up against Obama's divide-and-ruin petrodollar war machine and got rid of the foreign interests oligarchs. It takes a lot of courage to go down that route even if your job title is the president of superstate. Sadly there is not a single act of modern day western leaders that I find both heroic, smart and pragmatic. It's all about wars, consolidation of wealth, erosion of personal freedoms and endless austerity.
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No...I'm not talking body counts, I'm talking ethnic cleansing in what the UN still calls the most destroyed city on earth.

How anyone can have a scrap of admiration for that man is beyond me.

His actions make Bush and Blair look like puppies.
 
It's interesting trying to find out how much Putin is worth, there are so many conflicting reports (some are pretty dubious)

Interesting- in that he is probably above corruption :rolleyes:
It seems to be in the region of $70 billion, unlikely to be the $200 billion that some reports mention.

Considerably more than Trump's 'fortune' or Obama's $12.5 million.
 
viv1969 said:
No...I'm not talking body counts, I'm talking ethnic cleansing in what the UN still calls the most destroyed city on earth.

How anyone can have a scrap of admiration for that man is beyond me.

His actions make Bush and Blair look like puppies.
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Very interesting. You are painting once city as greater loss than the whole sub-continent on fire and spilling over into europe. They have destroyed a range of whole countries: Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Egypt, Syria and kept most of the africa underdeveloped. Only thermonuclear WW3 can get much worse than this. And you are still wondering why even Putin looks better than them... Unless Trump is elected the same policy will certainly continue with increasingly damaging results.
 
kendo1 said:
It's interesting trying to find out how much Putin is worth, there are so many conflicting reports (some are pretty dubious)

Interesting- in that he is probably above corruption :rolleyes:
It seems to be in the region of $70 billion, unlikely to be the $200 billion that some reports mention.

Considerably more than Trump's 'fortune' or Obama's $12.5 million.
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And he got that wealth how exactly? By being at the very head of that corruption, also I find it had to believe he is really worth that much money, a lot of the oligarchs have seen vast swaves of their apparent wealth dissolve into nothingness some of them it has of course flown into Putins own pockets as they have suddenly often violently fallen out of his favour
 
kendo1 said:
It's interesting trying to find out how much Putin is worth, there are so many conflicting reports (some are pretty dubious)

Interesting- in that he is probably above corruption :rolleyes:
It seems to be in the region of $70 billion, unlikely to be the $200 billion that some reports mention.

Considerably more than Trump's 'fortune' or Obama's $12.5 million.
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Not bad on a civil service salary...His pension must be brilliant :P
 
dejongj said:
Not bad on a civil service salary...His pension must be brilliant :p
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Not bad for someone on $100000 a year :D to keep a little aside every month.

It soon adds up!
 
kendo1 said:
Not bad for someone on $100000 a year :D to keep a little aside every month.

It soon adds up!
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I thought he looked a bit tired, if I am not mistaken he must have been 1,400,000 years in his job assuming he set aside 50,000 per year....

Looks good for his age.
 
dejongj said:
I thought he looked a bit tired, if I am not mistaken he must have been 1,400,000 years in his job assuming he set aside 50,000 per year....

Looks good for his age.
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The odd backhander soon adds up!
 
LongLensPhotography said:
Right now Putin is probably the least corrupt of them all. Corbyn would be unprecedented disaster for UK but in the grand scheme UK is now a small country.

But trump could mean big business. He is not sitting in anybody's pocket and he knows the establishment tricks. It remains to be seen how corrupt he really is but I have faith he is still way better than bushes and clinton mob
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kendo1 said:
The odd backhander soon adds up!
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Considering he is the least corrupt, it does make you wonder about the other. What is Corbyn hiding?
 
LongLensPhotography said:
Right now Putin is probably the least corrupt of them all. Corbyn would be unprecedented disaster for UK but in the grand scheme UK is now a small country.

But trump could mean big business. He is not sitting in anybody's pocket and he knows the establishment tricks. It remains to be seen how corrupt he really is but I have faith he is still way better than bushes and clinton mob
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Trump's whole political persona is a cynical act designed to get him elected to serve his own interests.
He's on record some years back saying that if he ever ran for President it would be as a Republican because they are the most gullible.
He's been biding his time. Right now is ripe because the other candidates are also atrocious.

That said, I doubt Trump would bypass the term limits and I really doubt Corbyn would publicly assassinate dissidents, so I think your analysis of Putin is simplistic and risible.
 
Llamaman said:
Trump's whole political persona is a cynical act designed to get him elected to serve his own interests.
He's on record some years back saying that if he ever ran for President it would be as a Republican because they are the most gullible.
He's been biding his time. Right now is ripe because the other candidates are also atrocious.

That said, I doubt Trump would bypass the term limits and I really doubt Corbyn would publicly assassinate dissidents, so I think your analysis of Putin is simplistic and risible.
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Well I don't know, if he (Corbyn) looses his temper so easily with a channel 4 news reporter than who knows what he is capable off. I hope we'll never find out.
 
dejongj said:
Well I don't know, if he (Corbyn) looses his temper so easily with a channel 4 news reporter than who knows what he is capable off. I hope we'll never find out.
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You're seriously comparing a short temper with extrajudicial murder and ethnic cleansing?
I suppose it is OOF, so nothing should surprise me anymore.
 
dejongj said:
Well I don't know, if he (Corbyn) looses his temper so easily with a channel 4 news reporter than who knows what he is capable off. I hope we'll never find out.
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Can you count on one hand the number of times DC has 'lost it' on the floor of the House of Commons? He has never learned to deal with direct criticism except when he's been totally prepared.

Whilst I'm still not convinced of Corbyn's ability as a leader, he doesn't half suffer at the hands of the media.
 
What ever you think of Trump I fear he may well be winning the minds of many Americans with his hard line immigration policy alone!

Governments are so poor at serving the people who elected them, people will vote for the wild card just to shake things up and I fear what the USA will be like with Trump in the White House.
 
Llamaman said:
You're seriously comparing a short temper with extrajudicial murder and ethnic cleansing?
I suppose it is OOF, so nothing should surprise me anymore.
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The comment was directly in relation assassinating dissidents. Nothing more and nothing less, exactly as in the context of the quote. Let's not add things to it that I didn't say, OK?
 
LASTOLITE said:
What ever you think of Trump I fear he may well be winning the minds of many Americans with his hard line immigration policy alone!

Governments are so poor at serving the people who elected them, people will vote for the wild card just to shake things up and I fear what the USA will be like with Trump in the White House.
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major multinationals not pulling the strings of the president puppet? I'm happy to give that a try for a change. You will still have the senate and congress deep in their pockets, so maybe not a big change overall.
 
Anyone watch the Channel 4 thing on him last night. What an utter cockwomble.

Part of me want him to become President and run the country into the ground just for the "we told you so" but I suspect the collateral damage will be immense.
 
neil_g said:
Anyone watch the Channel 4 thing on him last night. What an utter cockwomble.

Part of me want him to become President and run the country into the ground just for the "we told you so" but I suspect the collateral damage will be immense.
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It's not just that, it's the fact that he will likely win the party nomination. That means people actually want him to be president. Can you believe that?
 
Ricardodaforce said:
It's not just that, it's the fact that he will likely win the party nomination. That means people actually want him to be president. Can you believe that?
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i think thats down to the US political system. i think obama had huge potential but i believe his hands have been tied by the political processes and it seems like he hasn't done anything. and the stuff he has managed to force through have had to be the majorly unpopular ones.

trump seems to treat it all like a pantomime. i dont know if you watch it last night but he was stood in front of his supporters talking about hilary:

trump - "she wants to take away your guns by the way.."
crowd - "boooooooooo"

its a joke.
 
dejongj said:
The comment was directly in relation assassinating dissidents. Nothing more and nothing less, exactly as in the context of the quote. Let's not add things to it that I didn't say, OK?
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Oh, sorry, my mistake. You were only comparing losing his temper with a journalist to having them 'disappeared', tortured and killed. Glad we got that sorted out.
Still makes you sound like an extremist, by the way. Do you have a little shrine to Senator McCarthy at home?
 
LongLensPhotography said:
major multinationals not pulling the strings of the president puppet? I'm happy to give that a try for a change. You will still have the senate and congress deep in their pockets, so maybe not a big change overall.
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Why do people assume that because he's already wealthy, he has 'ordinary' people's interests at heart? He built Trump Tower with cheap, illegal, Polish labour rather than the blue-collar Americans he now courts.

By example, Osbourne is independently wealthy, and he's not exactly renown for his philanthropic largesse, is he?

Trump's election isn't a defeat for the multinationals - quite the opposite. They'll no longer need to lobby with one of their own in the Oval Office.
 
Llamaman said:
Oh, sorry, my mistake. You were only comparing losing his temper with a journalist to having them 'disappeared', tortured and killed. Glad we got that sorted out.
Still makes you sound like an extremist, by the way. Do you have a little shrine to Senator McCarthy at home?
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Wow I got to love this forum; first get accused of being a racist, now I'm an extremist as well. Great to see that "putting people in a box with a nice big label on it" just keeps going and going and going.

Looking forward to tommorrows label. I'm not holding my breath to the day we can have some mature conversations without making things personal and placing people in a little narrow box.
 
Llamaman said:
Why do people assume that because he's already wealthy, he has 'ordinary' people's interests at heart? He built Trump Tower with cheap, illegal, Polish labour rather than the blue-collar Americans he now courts.

By example, Osbourne is independently wealthy, and he's not exactly renown for his philanthropic largesse, is he?

Trump's election isn't a defeat for the multinationals - quite the opposite. They'll no longer need to lobby with one of their own in the Oval Office.
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I'm not 100% sure Trump is "good" for real, but I'm 100% positive the rest are establishment candidates. In fact the establishment is going out of their way to bring down Trump which is the best indication he doesn't work for them. So the choice is between Trump and the globalists, whatever that truly means.
 
LongLensPhotography said:
I'm not 100% sure Trump is "good" for real, but I'm 100% positive the rest are establishment candidates. In fact the establishment is going out of their way to bring down Trump which is the best indication he doesn't work for them. So the choice is between Trump and the globalists, whatever that truly means.
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It's statements like this that are straight out of the barmy side of modern media, the guy is getting the lions share of media attention, most people couldn't name the list of candidates he's contesting.
Trump is clearly part of the 'establishment', to suggest he isn't is just plain ridiculous.

Globalisation is a fact, it's been a fact for a long time and to think that it could just be turned off is barmy. We created the modern world in the aftermath of the 2nd world war, it worked for us for a long time, but when the Monetarists I the 80s decided that making money was more important than making things.
 
Phil V said:
It's statements like this that are straight out of the barmy side of modern media, the guy is getting the lions share of media attention, most people couldn't name the list of candidates he's contesting.
Trump is clearly part of the 'establishment', to suggest he isn't is just plain ridiculous.

Globalisation is a fact, it's been a fact for a long time and to think that it could just be turned off is barmy. We created the modern world in the aftermath of the 2nd world war, it worked for us for a long time, but when the Monetarists I the 80s decided that making money was more important than making things.
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Plenty of respectable people will disagree there with you and to be fair we should be running the globalisation to our needs, not Soros, Rothschilds, Rockefellers, Google, Bloomberg, Monsanto, Gates, Bushes, Clintons, Obama, Merkel, Juncker and the rest of Bilderberg cabal trying to enslave the whole world at once.
 
LongLensPhotography said:
Plenty of respectable people will disagree there with you and to be fair we should be running the globalisation to our needs, not Soros, Rothschilds, Rockefellers, Google, Bloomberg, Monsanto, Gates, Bushes, Clintons, Obama, Merkel, Juncker and the rest of Bilderberg cabal trying to enslave the whole world at once.
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I don't disagree about who's running the world (well some of the list...), but turning off the tap now? How will that work?

Allowing money to run the show has an inevitable outcome, but when the lefties were banging on about this in the 80's we were just commies who wanted to keep everyone poor.

But if you think Trump is an enemy of all that, you're sadly mistaken, he's running a campaign off the backs of the simple minded for his own ends, if he really cared about the American working class he'd have a 20 year history of treating them well, whereas he's got a history of abusing them in exactly the same way every other billionaire of his generation has.
 
LongLensPhotography said:
Plenty of respectable people will disagree there with you and to be fair we should be running the globalisation to our needs, not Soros, Rothschilds, Rockefellers, Google, Bloomberg, Monsanto, Gates, Bushes, Clintons, Obama, Merkel, Juncker and the rest of Bilderberg cabal trying to enslave the whole world at once.
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i think Bill Gates is probably the only one there that gives substantially back to the world, be it in donations and/or supporting global initiatives to provide medicines and aid.
 
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