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A colleague of mine inherited a beautiful Haselblad from his mother and very kindly has lent it to me for the weekend. I have not used film in many years, and that was a point and click. I had it last night and was home alone with the dog so had a bit of a play. Firstly I found it impossible to use without a tripod, so I mounted it....

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Then I took a couple of photos outside, this one was ok, the others had blown skies...

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Then I went inside and triggered an SB900 with a PC cable and this setup...

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I was pleased with these two, I like the fall off of the DOF in medium format....

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I got about 6 OK shots out of 12 which cost me about £20 for film and developing so it's not a cheap option. I found focussing hard, as the magnifying glass is tricky to use off centre and for nice composition that's kind of where you want it.

I have a house full of 4 year olds for a birthday party tomorrow so I'll shoot mostly digital but plan to take a roll or two of film. Any advice from some of you seasoned experts?
 
Looking down a shaft finder takes some practice,but something you can learn.I found focussing a Hasselblad 500c easy. Still you need just "that" and you picture is totaly distorded.
Let say its not a snapshot camera.I used it also mostly with tripod.
Bought mine second hand for 2000 guilder (now 900 something Euro) 35 (ish) year ago.
Soon found that just about everything is a "Hasselblad only" Filters.Lenshoods.Even the camera strap has a patent lock.All in the expensive range:wacky:.
A year later i sold it for a good price,and bought a Mamiya 645 with prisma finder.
In combination with a handgrip this worked great. Till i found it was not Molotov coctail resistant:mad:
 
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I like those Pete, really nice and sharp. I've not use a 'Blad but I have used a lot of cameras with waist level finders and for some photography they can't be beaten... a house full of 4 year old however.... :runaway: Good luck manual focusing on that madness. :D

I do now dev my own shots so the price has dropped considerably but I figured it at around a fiver per film and the same for dev and posting was about right (£4.55 plus postage at Peak Imaging for dev only). I also scan my own with an Epson V500 which cost less than a £100 and has paid for itself very quickly.

Andy
 
I wish that I had a friend with a Hasselblad! As you can see, they're capable of great results, as many medium format cameras are.

I'm a big fan of waist level finders, although I suppose they take a little getting used to with the reversed image, but it's pretty easy after a bit of practice.

I got about 6 OK shots out of 12 which cost me about £20 for film and developing so it's not a cheap option. I found focussing hard, as the magnifying glass is tricky to use off centre and for nice composition that's kind of where you want it.

Who did you have process your process and scan your film? I'd say £20 is a bit steep for film and development; I definitely don't pay that much.

I'm also guessing you used colour negative? It seems a bit strange that you'd have blown skies, as it's nearly impossible to overexpose colour negative film. I would imagine if anything appears blown it's likely that there's been a problem during the scanning stage. The negative likely captured the detail in the skies unless you overexposed it by more than 10 stops and I'm not even sure if that would be enough.

If you used slide film, then yeah, it's probably just blown.

I found focussing hard, as the magnifying glass is tricky to use off centre and for nice composition that's kind of where you want it.

Hmmm... I've never used a Hasselblad, but I do own similar cameras and there's not usually much of a problem seeing off centre that I've encountered, although the screen can sometimes be quite dim on older cameras making them hard to focus.

You are putting your eye up to the magnifying piece when you're using it, right?

I have a house full of 4 year olds for a birthday party tomorrow so I'll shoot mostly digital but plan to take a roll or two of film. Any advice from some of you seasoned experts?

What do you want to know?

I use my Bronica SQ-A, which is very similar to the Hasselblad, for family functions and parties all the time, but it has taken a bit of practice to get the sort of shots that I like in those settings. You can get really great candid shots with the waist level finders because people don't realise that you're even taking a photo, as everyone is so accustomed to eye-level finders nowadays.
 
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Thanks for the replies, I do like the results, there is something about the gradient of the depth of field that I love, much nicer than just shooting at 1.4 on full frame for example.

I processed them a Snappy Snaps in Marylebone, recommended by a friend who is a keen film shooter and another colleague, it's close to my office and I wanted them quick with prints so we could discuss them.

This is the one with the blown skies, they're not actually blown, just lacking detail, I was hoping for a dynamic range miracle I guess, I exposed half way between the sky and the dog.

Blown! by ShawWellPete, on Flickr

When focussing, I did put my eye up to the magnifying piece, the centre is sharp, but everything outside is a bit blurry so focussing on the eye, for example, involves adjusting until the blurriness is the least. Maybe I should centre it on the eye, focus, the recompose?

What else do I want to know? any advice is good, what I've had so far is great.
 
Thanks for the replies, I do like the results, there is something about the gradient of the depth of field that I love, much nicer than just shooting at 1.4 on full frame for example.

The gradation and tonality of medium and large format photography is amazing and it's just something I'm not convinced 35mm or APS-C digital can match. It's a large reason why I sold all of my digital equipment.

This is the one with the blown skies, they're not actually blown, just lacking detail, I was hoping for a dynamic range miracle I guess, I exposed half way between the sky and the dog.

The skies definitely aren't blown and colour negative is amazing with regard to dynamic range; the detail that you want will definitely be on that negative. You can try to expose it halfway between the sky and the dog, but it really won't matter much, because it's the guy operating the scanner at Snappy Snaps who is going to determine the look of the photo with colour print film.

If you ask to receive TIFF files from Snappy Snaps or scan the film yourself, you should be able to do a digital ND grad adjustment on the scan and get a lot of that detail back. The dynamic range of the film isn't the problem, but managing to display all of that range on a computer monitor or a print is.

I would personally not bother basing your exposure on the sky with colour negative film and would instead base it on the shadows. You really cannot overexpose it unless you do something ridiculous, so it's best to focus on ensuring that you're capturing enough shadow detail.

If you shoot slide film, then you do the opposite and base your exposures on the highlights.


When focussing, I did put my eye up to the magnifying piece, the centre is sharp, but everything outside is a bit blurry so focussing on the eye, for example, involves adjusting until the blurriness is the least. Maybe I should centre it on the eye, focus, the recompose?

Right, apologies if this seems really basic or condescending, but I don't know how much you do or don't know about focus, focusing screens, etc., so I'll just start from the beginning:

The focusing screen on the Hasselblad will show you the image through the lens at its widest aperture, so f/2.8 in this case (which is roughly the equivalent of about f/1.5 on 35mm digital or f/1 on APS-c), so everything will appear quite blurry because of the very small DOF except for the part of the image that is currently in focus.

To focus the camera, you will need to turn the lens until the area you want in focus is sharp, so nothing will appear to be sharp except for the one precise area that is currently in the plane of focus. If you are shooting at f/8, the focusing screen will still show you the image at f/2.8, so there'll be very little DOF on the focusing screen, but you'll have more DOF for the actual photo.

In theory, this is how digital SLRs work, but they often divert light from the focusing screen to help with autofocus, so you're often not actually seeing through the lens at its widest and it won't look as blurry as a result due to the increased DOF (not to mention the viewfinders are much smaller in digital cameras, so everything looks in focus anyway!)

If the centre of the focusing screen in the Hasselblad always looks in focus, you might also have a split image and/or microprism patch, which are additional focusing aids. For split image patches you turn the lens until the image in the centre is aligned. For microprisms, they have little markings that are visible when you're not in focus and they disappear when you have achieved focus.

I usually just turn the lens until my subject is sharp, but sometimes the split image can be handy. I find microprisms useless, personally.

Edit: Rereading what you've said, I think I might have misinterpreted you. Maybe it's just that the plane of focus isn't snapping into focus as clearly as it should? This can be a problem with some older focusing screens or if the screen is misaligned. On my Bronica, for instance, I can clearly see when my subject is in focus anywhere on the focusing screen, but in my old twin lens reflex camera, it's very difficult to tell what's in focus except in the centre, which is not unusual with older cameras. In fact, it's quite common for folks to spend considerable money upgrading their focusing screens to overcome such problems.

What else do I want to know? any advice is good, what I've had so far is great.

I hope this helps a bit anyway!
 
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Thanks for the detailed advice RJ. You are certainly right about the limitations of handing over control to a shop, being used to processing every raw file, it is frustrating to get a pretty crappy JPEG back and a 5x5 print.

Any suggestions for a place I can get decent TIFF scans so I can process myself?

I don't think I explained myself very well re the focussing as I am not good with the film terminology. There is no split screen, just a magnifying glass that pops up and enlarges the centre of the frame. The lens is such that it magnifies The centre, but everything outside of the centre spot is a bit blurry, which makes focusing on, say the eyes, 2/3rds up then frame, tricky. I reckon 5 out the 12 shots I missed the focus, more practice needed!
 
It comes with time, but WLF can be a great way to compose photos. That said, please don't treat the Hassy like some tripod only studio camera - it can be great handheld.

@Robert Hofstra - there are plenty of workarounds: for the filters - get yourself a Bay 50 to 52mm or Bay 60 to 67mm adapter to use common size filters, and plastic copies of the hoods can often be found from Chinese sellers on fleabay. As long as they do the job, you really don't need to buy the official hood!
 
u can use a "slow" camera at certain times with kids, specialy if u can bouce flash and therefor use f8 etc :)
 
It comes with time, but WLF can be a great way to compose photos. That said, please don't treat the Hassy like some tripod only studio camera - it can be great handheld.

@Robert Hofstra - there are plenty of workarounds: for the filters - get yourself a Bay 50 to 52mm or Bay 60 to 67mm adapter to use common size filters, and plastic copies of the hoods can often be found from Chinese sellers on fleabay. As long as they do the job, you really don't need to buy the official hood!


I understand,but I had mine in 1985.The time that communication was done on paper.
I rember buying something in the UK and send to me (in Holland). Took 3 weeks,and a mountain on paperwork for the money transfer:wacky:.
Think transporting a parcel from China to Europe stil went over the silk route than :)
 
Any suggestions for a place I can get decent TIFF scans so I can process myself?

I've just started doing my own colour processing and scanning at home, partly to keep costs down (about £1 per roll) but mostly because I enjoy the end-to-end process and all the control it gives you.

Last month I sent a couple of rolls from a recent trip off for commerical processing, to see how they compared. One of them went off to AG Photographic (http://www.ag-photolab.co.uk/) and the other to UKFilmLab (http://ukfilmlab.com/). I chose these as they are roughly similar in price and are well respected by the people on here. AG comes out around £9.50 for processing and medium quality scanning and UKFL will work out around £13 to £14 for the same (AG have freepost envelopes and the price includes negative return costs - UKFL you pay extra when they return them).

I know it's not exactly an exhaustive test, but I'm really happy with the service from both companies. UKFL took approx two weeks to turn the order around and AG took three, but that order included printing, so I'm saying that's a dead-heat. The UKFL scans are larger (3000x3000 vs 2000x2000) and in my opinion they are higher quality. It's hard to describe why, but I think their post-processing, colour balancing etc. is better, rather than the scans themselves being necessarily higher quality. In other words, the AG scans may require a little more tweaking to get them exactly as you want, whereas the files I received from UKFL are damn near perfect. Or in fairness I should say: they are perfect for my taste. I imported them into Lightroom and did almost nothing apart from pulling out a little extra detail from the shadows. One thing to note: both companies send 8 bit JPEG files. Obviously, you can't squeeze as much data out of these as a 16 bit TIFF, but they are high quality and not compressed at all. I doubt if any of the commercial processors provide 16 bit files, so you may as well have the JPEGs.

Out of the three options, I would say if you want to save money, use AG, if you want to save time, use UKFL, and if you want total control and an engrossing new hobby, buy some chemicals!

Either way, it's all good :)
 
This thread is making me feel guilty for not using my 'blad enough to offer anything constructive.

Though I'd suggest looking at Peak for dev & scan too, not sure how their prices compare as I scan my own but their service has always been exemplary in my experience.
 
^^^^^^^ Edit to the above: UKFL small scans are closer to AG's medium size, and a fairer price comparison. So UKFL comes out at £9 + postage + return negative cost (anyone know what they charge for this?)

I sent mine 2nd class, so it's £11.80 per film. Less than a tenner per film if you send three at once.
+ you only receive scans, so factor in your inkjet costs = a couple of quid per print. So that's £35 a roll + your film cost. Total = around £40 for 12 pictures!

Now my Jobo and those RA4 kits look REALLY cheap :D
 
I'd recommend CC Imaging myself, best price/quality ratio around. £7 for dev & scan or print for e6/c41/b&w in both 35mm or 120...

I've always thought UK Film Labs prices are very high, especially for B&W.
 
^^^^^^^ Edit to the above: UKFL small scans are closer to AG's medium size, and a fairer price comparison. So UKFL comes out at £9 + postage + return negative cost (anyone know what they charge for this?)

UKFL send you an email with your scans, but hold on to your negatives until you've either accumulated a big enough pile (inch thick) or a year has passed. This saves you money as all of your negatives are returned in one batch and the cost of the return is spread across all of the rolls you've sent them, instead of constantly paying for return postage for each individual batch. You choose the method that they send the negatives back.

You could ask UKFL to send back the negatives earlier, but it sort of defeats the purpose of using UKFL, as they are supposed to be providing you with scans that are virtually the finished product, save for some minor tweaking, so there shouldn't be a need to have the negatives back immediately.

At any rate, these are their estimated return costs:

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Even with 85 rolls and RMSD it works out to about 15p per roll, which seems pretty reasonable to me.

Thanks for the detailed advice RJ. You are certainly right about the limitations of handing over control to a shop, being used to processing every raw file, it is frustrating to get a pretty crappy JPEG back and a 5x5 print.

Any suggestions for a place I can get decent TIFF scans so I can process myself?

A lot of photographers who shoot colour negative will often just ensure that they get enough exposure for their subjects (usually by metering for the shadows) and then just let the highlights fall where they may. That will often mean that the sky is brighter in relative terms compared to the subject and some of the detail is difficult to see, but it's still there and nothing will ever actually blow out. Many medium format shooters are also often using large apertures, so detail in the skies is usually blurred and of little consideration anyway.

This approach works better when you're shooting portraits, weddings, etc., but might not be as good for landscapes, perhaps.

Many portrait-oriented films like Kodak Portra or Fuji Pro 400H aren't very saturated either, which might also make the skies seem less punchy than a similar scene on a digital camera.

I personally wouldn't have thought anything of the sky in this instance though; it looks pretty normal to me for shooting colour negative film on a grey day. What detail would you really expect to see if you're shooting on a medium format camera with very little DOF on an overcast day anyway?

If you're going to have others scanning your film and you want both detail in the skies and a foreground subject, you'd probably need to watch the subject brightness range of the scene. In all but the most contrasty of situations, film will capture detail in both shadows and highlights, but it can be difficult to scan and display scenes with extended subject brightness ranges without using a digital ND grad tool like Lightroom offers. The other option is to do it 'in camera' as it were and use grad filters, but I would rarely use them with colour negative, because nothing actually blows out.

I haven't used Snappy Snaps for scanning in quite some time, but they did use to offer the options of TIFFs, I think. Most places supply jpegs though. I think there's a sticky thread in the main Film & Conventional forum that has information on the various labs and the scanning services they offer, so there might be info there on who supplies TIFFs. Off the top of my head, AG photo lab, Peak, and the Darkroom might offer TIFFs.

With black and white, I usually develop and scan myself and then apply an ND grad adjustment digitally later on, if necessary. With colour negative though, I just try to watch my subject brightness range and then send it to a good lab (I use UKFL) who will individually adjust each scan and effectively do the post processing for me. High street labs like Snappy Snaps will simply put the scanner in auto.

I don't think I explained myself very well re the focussing as I am not good with the film terminology. There is no split screen, just a magnifying glass that pops up and enlarges the centre of the frame. The lens is such that it magnifies The centre, but everything outside of the centre spot is a bit blurry, which makes focusing on, say the eyes, 2/3rds up then frame, tricky. I reckon 5 out the 12 shots I missed the focus, more practice needed!

Hmmm... I'm not really sure that I'm following. Is the magnifier just really small that you can't see whole focusing screen? You might need to post a photo of the waist level finder to give a better idea.

Even on my 50+ year old twin lens camera I can see the whole of the focusing screen, so I'd be surprised to hear that you couldn't do the same on the Hasselblad. I would think that the Hasselblad finder would be quite similar to my Bronica SQ-A actually.

Maybe someone with a Hasselblad WLF could chime in here?
 
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Black/White 120, home developed .... four to ten quid per film including chem costs of developing. Ker-ching. I'm just a pleb with no rich friends, so I make do with a Bronny SQA. I like the challenge of using my Bronny in the street. A WLF is fun, I don't really have a problem focusing through the magnifier, although if I'm trying to make a fast or sneaky capture, I might just set the approx distance on the lens, not use the viewfinder, and target a small aperture in order to hit the subject. Something I picked up using cameras in the street without a rangefinder.

I've not yet used a real Hasselblad. Enjoy!
 
I have just checked my Hasselblad and if I put my eye right next to the magnifying glass I can see the whole focussing screen. Maybe you are not looking close enough.
 
Thanks for the advice guys, I chickened out of using it for the kids party, it was crazy enough trying to get the photos with a D800! I tried to trigger some flashes by connecting the Blad to a PW using a PC to phono lead but that didn't seem to work, so I couldn't fire remote flashes.

I took a couple of rolls today and loved it, it it was a beautiful afternoon and the camera is a joy to use in good light. Wickerman, you are right, the magnifying glass magnifies the whole screen, but anything outside the centre is not very sharp, even the centre point doesn't look perfectly sharp to me. Focussing seems to involve finding the point which is least out of focus.

I now have to decide what to do with the film, I am tempted to send it to UKFL together with the negatives for my first film, I'd like to see how two different labs compare. I just wish they did TIFF files, I would like to chose the exposure balance myself, as that is what I am used to. What is the point of having all that dynamic range and handing the artistic choice to somebody else?
 
I took a couple of rolls today and loved it, it it was a beautiful afternoon and the camera is a joy to use in good light. Wickerman, you are right, the magnifying glass magnifies the whole screen, but anything outside the centre is not very sharp, even the centre point doesn't look perfectly sharp to me. Focussing seems to involve finding the point which is least out of focus.


Serious question - when was the last time you had an eye test? :p
 
I now have to decide what to do with the film, I am tempted to send it to UKFL together with the negatives for my first film, I'd like to see how two different labs compare. I just wish they did TIFF files, I would like to chose the exposure balance myself, as that is what I am used to. What is the point of having all that dynamic range and handing the artistic choice to somebody else?

If you use UKFL, let them know what your preferences are (e.g., warm, cool, or neutral colour balance; contrasty or less contrasty, bright, etc.). You could even email them ahead of time with a few images to help show what you're looking for. The point of using UKFL is that you should get back scans that are virtually the finished product, save for a few tweaks.
 
If you use UKFL, let them know what your preferences are (e.g., warm, cool, or neutral colour balance; contrasty or less contrasty, bright, etc.). You could even email them ahead of time with a few images to help show what you're looking for. The point of using UKFL is that you should get back scans that are virtually the finished product, save for a few tweaks.

Thanks, I'll definitely give them a go, everybody here seems to rate them.
 
If their prices and method of working don't appeal to you (they don't for everyone here), you could try Peak Imaging or Genie Imaging too.
 
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