I hate kids! And the police.

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Not all kids. Just some, and I'll tell you why.

I was sat downstairs earlier watching TV, when the dog suddenly jumped up and went to the door, growling. Its a glass door and I could see there was nobody there - thought maybe a taxi or something. Its out of character for the dog to do that, but he settled after a few minutes.

About 90 mins later, 9:30ish, I was upstairs on the laptop and heard some loud bangs coming from outside. G/f went to the window and looked out. I jokingly said "they aren't hitting my motor, are they?". She said "nah, they're hitting the car across the street with a golf club". :thinking:

We went outside and sure enough, someone had smashed the hell out of a car. Every panel has been damaged to the extent that it'll probably need replacing. On closer inspection and after walking around the other side of the car I saw that they'd also thrown white paint all over it. I said "I take it they've just done that as well?!". The car's owner (a single mother in her late 20's with 2 kids) said the paint had been done an hour or so ago. She'd called the police but they never came. Whoever did it then decided to come back with a golf club. :bat:

Me and a neighbour jumped in my car and spent an hour or so driving around town. There was nobody about whatsoever. So whoever did it either went in a house, or a car was waiting nearby. We stopped at a nearby building site where we thought the gang were probably heading towards (you can get from one end of town to the other via a country lane) and spoke to the security guard. He said nobody had been past all night but he'd call the police if he saw a gang of 6-8 teenagers dressed in hoodies as per other resident's descriptions.

The car is a write off in my opinion. It needs a complete set of new panels at worst, a full respray at best.

When I returned home after an hour of driving down every street within 2 miles, the police still hadn't turned up.

It really boils my p*ss that there are people on our streets with nothing better to do with their time than to terrorise others and damage property for no legitimate reason.

It makes it worse that because the police don't seem interested, its left to us to pull together and take matters into our own hands. Of course, then we're in the wrong and WE get in trouble.

Seems like you can't win if you play by the rules. :razz:
 
Really feel for your neighbour mate, and can fully understand where you're coming from.

I had a car stolen not long after we moved in round here. I woke up on Sunday morning to find it missing...

I phoned the police who said to me (and I kid you not)....

"There's no point in us sending an officer out, because, well...there's nothing to see is there..."

I found it burnt out 2 hours later.
 
I had my car keyed only a few weeks ago - parked about 20ft from where tonight's incident happened. 4 panels damaged.
 
It really sucks. I think half the time the police don't have enough resources to deal with stuff like this.
 
Catdaddy said:
It really sucks. I think half the time the police don't have enough resources to deal with stuff like this.
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Its funny you should say that.

When I was out in the car looking for the culprits, I saw a police car up the other end of town, just milling around without a care in the world. They could have been there in 30 seconds. Why weren't they? They weren't doing anything else.
 
The police are a joke, we have a glass greenhouse in our back garden and a bus stop just over the road from where you can see the greenhouse - not a good combo. around this time of year their would always be kids hanging around the bus stop then when they had nothing left to beat the **** out of at the bus stop they would have a stone throwing contest to see who could smash a pain of glass in our greenhouse first. Every time we would phone the police straight away and every time 2 or 3 hours later after all the trouble makes were A. Away home or B. in a totally different area they would turn up and ask a bunch of useless questions and tell you they would do what they could and that was it. My total sympathies are with you I now how frustrating it is.
 
Well its getting worse, good people shouldnt have to put up with this ****, especially as they are the ones paying for it - if not through their taxes then their insurance. Seems all hell kicks off though the second ones killed in a stolen vehicle or when a citizen take matters into their own hands.

Wish I could give some comfort but I believe its got beyond the point of no return and I cannot see anything now that can restore order. If they manage to catch them they usually walk under some kind of catch & release scheme, when they do finally get banged up (usually for managing to kill some poor soul) the government wants to release ASAP because of some budget based excuse, to which they again go onto more crime.:bang:

(Sorry for the babble but this stuff really boils my blood too).
 
I have a friend who is a single mum with a 2 yr old, she went out one morning recently to discover her car windows smashed, she knows who did it and told the police, they did nothing. She put a camera up on her window to watch the car and then woke up to find that they had knicked it too, once again no response form police. What do you do?
 
This is all down to the PC brigade.

When someone starts ranting and raving over being PC, point these out.

Bring back physical punishment..

Carl.
 
CarlOgden said:
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Someone's gotta catch the b'stards first Carl ... :shrug:

Sh*tty world out there alright ... and not destined to get better ... imo ... :bat:

Sorry to hear about your problems GfK ... sure we've pretty much all been there ... and suffered at the hands of these scum-bags ... one way or another ... and can sympathise wholeheartedly ... :(

Sh*tty world ... with some sh*tty people in it ... thank heavens there are some good 'uns still around too though ... :thumbs:






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The police, WHAT police. :bang:

...My mates been mugged twice...and his son once.
....A girl friend has been dragged into bushes...nearly raped...but got away
...I've been burgled 6 times in ten years..
..Had two motorcycles stolen...one this time last year.
... Had three cars and a van randomly dented/smashed and scratched...one very badly.
...One in four people in Newham have no car insurance.
...I see a new police incident sign for murder every week in east London...I bet you never hear about them
... An old lady gets mugged every week according to the papers, they find all the other kid muggings that week have less impact... but I hear about loads.
...people have stopped reporting crime because they know there being ignored.

..And that’s just for starters. :lol: :( :'(

Vigilante groups are signing up members, illegal yes, but what the heck do they expect the people to do.

....hmmmm, isn't that How a John Peel started the police force in the first place. ;)


Ps...sorry to hear of your troubles GFK. :D
 
Forbiddenbiker said:
....hmmmm, isn't that How a John Peel started the police force in the first place. ;)
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And here's me thinking he was on the radio :thinking:

dont you mean Robert as in bobby??
 
'Sad' doesn't begin to describe the fiasco that the modern force has become. No height restriction, people joining in their 40s, entry standards lower, if you're warm and walking you can join. Add accelerated promotion into the mix with preference being given to those with a degree in basket weaving or something equally useful, which gives you a chain of command with no practical experience, and you can see the size of the problem. I haven't even touched on governement and spin doctor interference which has gone on for years.

The saddest part really is that the cops at factory floor level don't know any different, and there's no-one left to show them the way back. :shrug:
 
Its a shame what happened, but if I may defend the police a bit. I've only ever phoned them once and they arrived within minutes. I was still on the phone to them when 3 vechiles turned up. I was very very impressed at their response. Basically a gang of kids had broken into the local sailing club and stolen a small dingy. They were sailing it on the marina in the dark, so DRZ suggested I call the police. I described what was happening and like I said, within minutes they turned up with 3 cars. A normal car, a van and a larger CCTV van. Just out of nowhere. Annoyingly they had their sirens on so the kids heard them and ran off. Even so I was very impressed with them. Only time I've ever called them and boom they appeared and did a good job. Even if the kids did run off and weren't arrested the presence of the Police probably saved a life that night.
 
I got hit off my bike by some stupid bint who just didn't see me or appriciate that a bike also uses the road and does follow the line of traffic around round-a-bouts... next thing I know I've rolled right over her bonnet and onto the far side of the car. Call police "ok we'll send a car round"...30mins later get a call "sorry we're all busy can you get to this police station [name and location of station]" ... said police station was a mere 50m from where I was so wandered off only to find its closed down 6 months previously...
muppets. if you don't even know your cop-shops have shut down how the hell can you be expected to sort more demanding stuff out?!
 
Yet had you not reported the accident you yourself would have been committing an offence - just goes beyond stupidity :(
 
I have to say I've had two run ins with the police once I was mugged at Kings Cross station and they were lovely. Took a description managed to talk GNER into letting me get home as I had no money and no ticket and followed up later to tell me they'd found some of my stuff. 2nd I caused an accident and they showed up very quickly and did a good job. I do understand that there are problems but often it isn't the beat cop that is causing it but the buracracy(sp?) that keeps them from doing their job.
 
Forbiddenbiker said:
Vigilante groups are signing up members, illegal yes, but what the heck do they expect the people to do.
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i've thought this for a long time, and quite honestly i can't see any other way around it, if police or other covernment agencies cannot or are not prepared to do anything what other choice are we left with ? lay back and let it all happen ? i reckon the age of death wish is upon us, and it won't be to long before there will be plenty of charlie bronsons running about putting these b******s down, and as far as i'm concerned it can't happen quick enough.
 
I should have known that with the title of this thread it would eventually turn into a "Police bashing" exercise! - nice to see a considered view from the likes of Pete & well just Pete really!

Surrey where I live is considered to be the "safest county in England" yet all the things you talk about here go on in Surrey too, only to a much lesser degree than your typical inner city area - the level of policing is much lower now than it was 25yrs ago when I was a beat bobby in Surrey, despite the huge increase in population in the area - we used to deal with about 4000 crimes a year back then whereas now its nearly 30000! - that's hardly the fault of the police who are stretched to the limit trying to decide which crime or incident is the most serious & needs to be prioritised (which is why the comment above about "why should a police officer attend the report of a stolen car" is understandable - how would an officer attending be of benefit? In the old days we would have gone just to provide reassurance but the resources are stretched way too thin now) - there are whole departments now that never existed 25yrs ago dealing with e.g. Domestic Violence / Missing Persons / Child Abuse etc

The Police Service reflects society & I'm afraid compared with 25yrs ago society has gone to the dogs - look at the equipment a bobby has to carry & wear now - stab vests CS Spray etc - I had a 12" lump of mahogany to protect me!

Surrey have been re-introducing beat bobbies and they are backed up by PCSO's (Police Community Support Officers) - Where I live we have one of each - they work in the community & try to resolve the sort of problems you are talking about here (anti social behaviour, speeding etc) with the backing of the community who are encouraged to report incidents & problems & have some sort of dialogue with their local bobby & PCSO - its early days but Surrey seem committed to give Neighbourhood Policing their full support

I'm sure your police deserve some of the criticism here already (& more to follow no doubt) but lets have some perspective ....
Paul (flame retartant at the ready ...)
 
PaulBoy said:
I should have known that with the title of this thread it would eventually turn into a "Police bashing" exercise!
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Eventually? I thought I was doing that from the off? I'll try harder next time. :shrug:

(which is why the comment above about "why should a police officer attend the report of a stolen car" is understandable - how would an officer attending be of benefit?
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It might convince those of us who have given up on law and order that somebody somewhere does still actually give a damn? When we're convinced that nobody cares that we're being terrorised, that's when we decide its time to fight it out by ourselves. Tony Martin, anyone?

The Police Service reflects society & I'm afraid compared with 25yrs ago society has gone to the dogs
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Society has only gone to the dogs because the powers that be have allowed it to.

Surrey have been re-introducing beat bobbies and they are backed up by PCSO's (Police Community Support Officers) - Where I live we have one of each - they work in the community & try to resolve the sort of problems you are talking about here (anti social behaviour, speeding etc) with the backing of the community who are encouraged to report incidents & problems & have some sort of dialogue with their local bobby & PCSO - its early days but Surrey seem committed to give Neighbourhood Policing their full support
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Great... only 99% of us don't live in Surrey. If you take your rose-tinted goggles off for a moment you'll see that we don't live in a perfect world, yet for some of us, its even less perfect than it is for others.
 
GfK ... I tried to put a point of view from the police perspective - we are all entitled to an opinion, rose tinted or otherwise - I had the whole country to chose as to where I worked / lived & chose Surrey - I did say Surrey was not an inner city area so why the animosity? I can't tell from your post (or sig) where you are after all?
Paul :thinking:
 
We sold our flat it got so bad where we stayed. However I can tell you it is very satisfying if you catch them and give them the hiding the deserve. Place where we are now is very nice, but I know exactly how you feel. We had 2 cars keyed mine really badly plenty of broken windows though nothing stolen they were just breaking the windows for fun. So when I caught him I just broke his face for fun. It wasnt big but it was very very satisfying because the police cant touch them as the little S**t said to me to which I replied yes son but I'm not the police.
 
:D

Blimey...almost heated for a TP thread.

PaulBoy said:
I'm sure your police deserve some of the criticism here already (& more to follow no doubt) but lets have some perspective ....
Paul (flame retartant at the ready ...)
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You may need that fire extinguisher Paul...someone started a fire...I think it was you. :D

Let’s have some perspective eh. Hmmm ...would that be yours or mine Paul. ;)

Believe me, its hell out there fella, I know many people that won't even walk to the shop at night for fear of what may happen. You don't live in the real world, not in Surrey (I'm sure you've earnt that privilege and good on you, still aspiring myself) ...the problems are here and now, some of us are going through it today and everyday.

I'm not into police bashing, but we do pay them to do a job, and they are failing miserably. They might like to point at figures and statistics pointing out the rise in crime and 'Oh its the society today' ...but unfortunately, to me, that just means they’ve been doing a bad job for years...as CT says the standards that made good policemen and women. has defiantly slipped. The same decline of standards is happening in the forces as well. :shrug:

The people won't put up with it...not for much longer.

My mate’s girl friend wears a stab vest occasionally, especially late a night...only she doesn't get paid for it. ;)
 
I don't really have a problem with policing in the UK at the moment, considering what they have to contend with.
Compared to some places I frequent, that is (and no, not Iraq or Afghanistan, but that does colour one's perspective a little).
Police here are unlikely to throw you to the ground and restrain you by standing on your head for Jay-Walking, as happened to a 56-year old college professor in the US recently. Just what is jay-walking anyway?
Given that we have insurance, getting a car stolen or vandalised isn't the end of the world, merely an embuggerance (I'd be just as angry, mind, but keep it in perspective).
I'd far rather policing concentrated on violent crime (murder, rape, assault etc not just robbery with violence) and left the anti-social behaviour policing to society as a whole - that's the cause of these problems after all.
Kid's being a nuisance? Go and talk to the parents. Scared to talk to the parents? Take some mates with you. Let them know that your community wont stand for that level of disorderly behaviour.
It won't happen overnight, but they'll get the message eventually.

Now we have a greater amount of threats to consider and less rescources to cope with them. If you want more police on the streets, you'll have to pay more taxes or accept cut-backs elsewhere.
Give up the NHS? Not likely...
Defence cuts? It's bad enough as it is...
You want an Armed Forces that can do the job properly? Then you'll have to accept that the current Defence Budget is half what it needs to be. Give up the Armed Forces and save the money? We'd have to accept greater interference from Europe and the US.

Everyone wants an easy solution, but there isn't one. But things are changing - I've notices a sea-change in the way these crimes are being reported.

The PC back-lash is about to begin... (digressing slightly; did anyone watch Dispatches last night?
I wouldn't want to be a Muslim in the UK in 5 years time... The worm's starting to turn).
 
How much of the experience / feedback is down to regional or local differences, I don't know. But my experience of local police has been pretty positive. I recently found out I live near an Inspector, from talking to him believe me, even the police are pretty frustrated with society and I think they are losing from all sides; the public faith (this thread is a good example), the criminals and how our court system deals with them after spending the effort in catching them.

If we really want to change what's happening, should we choose a career in the police or change who we vote for?

I know it doesn't help the young lady as a victim of crime, but it seems we have all experienced crimes against us and a tide of change is swelling up. I try to remember that we are all people including the police, but I agree we are becoming too PC and soft as a society and the main people to benefit are the criminals.

Jas
 
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