I hate Fuji!

Wonderful, looks like Fuji is coming back to the photography scene with a bang
 
Looks really nice, another reason for this to truly be the year of the mirrorless camera. Sensor details sound interesting 'punching above its weight'! Shame no build in flash though.
 
Looking good so far... let's see if they out resolve 5D II

"The X-Pro1's price will be around $1700, with lenses in the $650 region." This may translate directly into £, so not so good any more (7D, D7000 money, or way over 5Dc)

Looks like they are going after Leica wannabes with their soon to be released M-adapter.
 
Love the camera.

Would love to have this along side my DSLR. Would also like to see an adapter for EF lenses.
 
Ross_Curtis said:
Would also like to see an adapter for EF lenses.
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That would be impractical as EF lenses have no mechanical way of changing the aperture (and since adaptors across brands are purely mechanical that would mean the aperture would just be permanently set at it's default (wide open) setting). You would only be able to to shoot wide open, and the the adaptor would be large to have the lens the right distance from the sensor.
 
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It isn't a rangefinder though, probably more aimed at the NEX-7 segment of the market. Can't see people who want an M8 buying the Fuji, unless they didn't really want an M8 to begin with.
 
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That would be impractical as EF lenses have no mechanical way of changing the aperture (and since adaptors across brands are purely mechanical that would mean the aperture would just be permanently set at it's default (wide open) setting. You would only be able to to shoot wide open, and the the adaptor would be large to have the lens the right distance from the sensor.
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Shame.
Thanks for explaining that.
 
Can't wait to have a play with one of these!

EDIT: 39mm filter thread too... Fuji are definitely aiming the system at people who shoot Leica.
 
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Not sure what everyone is getting so excited about?
 
Quote from Amateur Photographer - "we expect the camera to sell for around £1200-1400, with the lenses all less than £500", as they go on to say this is comparable to the NEX-7. I'd know which one I'd prefer to hold. Still could get expensive if already own substantial amount of DSLR gear
 
I've been following the rumours about this and I'll definitely take a look when it hits the shops. The initial three lenses look good and would look even better if the 18mm had been f1.4 or at a pinch f1.8. Even so, I'd be tempted to take a serious look at the body and maybe all three lenses or maybe just the 35 and 60mm's.

It's possibly a little bigger and heavier than I'd hoped, lenses included, as I'd really been holding out for something about the size of a GF1 give or take. I find the GF1+20mm f1.7 just about coat pocketable but this thing might be just too large and will probably need its own case. I don't know how much the dedicated case will be but no doubt it'll be expensive, but I expect copies to be on ebay soon. The body does look bigger then the Nex 7 but it's not so much the body that puts me off that camera as the size and choice of the lenses.

It'll be interesting to see if Panny can respond with anything remotely like this in the near future, if they can't or wont I can see a lot of people switching.
 
woof woof said:
It'll be interesting to see if Panny can respond with anything remotely like this in the near future, if they can't or wont I can see a lot of people switching.
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I really hope Panasonic respond with a pro m4/3 body, I've invested in a few m4/3 lenses now.
 
Apparently Olympus have a pro m4/3 body in the works, and there have been rumours that Leica have been developing their own system. Such an exciting year to be a prospective mirrorless buyer haha.
 
Jackwow said:
Not sure what everyone is getting so excited about?
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Ditto.....
The reason I never got excited about the X100 was the fixed prime lens; totally impractical - if I want impractical than I'll take my 24 TSE II in a heartbeat.

Isn't this just an X100 with interchangeable lenses (plus a few much needed tweaks) - perhaps this is the X110 released early so they gave it a different name ?

But the X10 on the other hand....
It got me excited enough to be an early adopter.
Decent aperture, decent zoom range, decent high ISO and IQ that really is capable of printing exhibition quality to A3 - and looks to lust after......

Difference with the X100 - a decent zoom lens which makes it an everyday camera.

And now Canon have spoiled the game with the new Gx thingy.
Bigger sensor but less aperture - swings and roundabouts.
Even the X10 hating Dpreview is making comparisons between the Gx and the X10.

I gotta admit; if I was buying now I'd probably be seriously looking at the Canon purely out of brand loyalty and pub bragging rights.
It will be interesting to see how much real world difference there is between the two....
 
so whats the big whoopee about mirrorless cameras then?
 
Jackwow said:
Not sure what everyone is getting so excited about?
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Years ago I used a quality 35mm compact or rangefinder and I've been waiting for a similarly sized modern digital replacement. Leica comes close but I've tired of rangefinders and I want the convenience of AF plus who wants to pay that much for a camera set up, not me. Micro four thirds too comes close and I do have a GF1 and a G1 but the lens technology really lets the system down for me and I opted for a manual lens as my main lens.

It would be really nice to have a compact camera with lots of manual user control and a nice little range of AF lenses that are MF friendly and I hope that this is it, and possibly the first of many. The Nex 7 may also come close but I'm put off my the available lenses.

If you don't "get it" then it just isn't for you but I think that there are a significant number of people who'll be interested in this.

One more thing that I could wish for is that the rear screen be reverseable as I like to use my G1 with the screen turned to the body.
 
essexash said:
so whats the big whoopee about mirrorless cameras then?
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Oh God, where to start?

They're more compact, they'll take just about any lens and they haven't got that silly box full of moving parts smashing about every time you press the shutter button and that means they can be quieter and have no mirror slap to introduce camera movement into your shots.
 
As soon as I saw it I wanted it, but then I hear Olympus are about to unveil a m4/3 OM styl camera so thatshould be interesting. Fuji will kick it in the backside quite easily I fear though unless Oly break with tradition and put a decent sensor in theirs!
 
That ISO 1600 image of the crinkly orange things is a pretty 'orrible image though. I think I'd have taken one look and deleted it :D
 
woof woof said:
It would be really nice to have a compact camera with lots of manual user control and a nice little range of AF lenses that are MF friendly and I hope that this is it, and possibly the first of many. The Nex 7 may also come close but I'm put off my the available lenses.
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If the Gx lens is good enough to match the near APS-C sensor, then you may meet your goals by treating it as lots of prime lenses packaged in the same body.
I'm still not convinced by this prime lens thing that mirrorless cameras seem to be adopting.

My worry about the Gx is that asking a 4x zoom lens to service a large sensor in that small package is a huge and optimistic ask....
One thing the X10 reviews have been consistent on is that the lens quality is well suited to the sensor; neither is limiting the other.
My fear for the Gx is that is will be a good sensor let down by soft corners, vignetting and poor max aperture. The first two being classic large sensor problems.
 
The first thing I noticed is that the lenses do not appear to have any sort of distance or DOF scale. Fine if you use auto focus but not much use if you prefer manual focus.
 
woof woof said:
That ISO 1600 image of the crinkly orange things is a pretty 'orrible image though. I think I'd have taken one look and deleted it :D
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Not to worry - Fuji have a legacy of truly awful sample images.
I think it is careful management of expectations.
Going by their last couple of camera releases; using the camera yourself will sometimes (and I don't think I'm unrepresentative) produce significantly better images than their samples.
 
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boliston said:
The first thing I noticed is that the lenses do not appear to have any sort of distance or DOF scale. Fine if you use auto focus but not much use if you prefer manual focus.
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Doesn't the X100 show the DOF and scale in the OVF though? I do agree with you, would have really liked hard stops at MFD and infinity as well as a scale.
 
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Doesn't the X100 show the DOF and scale in the OVF though? I do agree with you, would have really liked hard stops at MFD and infinity as well as a scale.
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Lack of a hard infinity & close focus stop is really annoying and one of the main things I did not like about my 50/1.4g lens.
 
You can't really have a hard stop with an AF motor.. it needs to be able to go just past and make its way back when it overshoots is what I understand happens. Also you don't want it looking for focus it can't get by banging against a hard stop...
 
Personally, I rarely take any notice of 'sample' shots, I much prefer to see some real life images on here, from someone I trust - which probably also explains why I am never one of the first to buy a new bit of kit when it comes out :lol: Sorry guys.



Myself and Yves Geza have been chatting about this on and off for the last few hours. We are in the market for a small camera, flexible enough for me, easy enough on auto for him. We also really wanted something 'retro' and in a world of unlimited £'s, it would be a Leica. However, that of course is not the case, so the original idea was going to be the Olympus Pen system - that was until Fuji threw a mighty hat in the ring in the shape of the X100. HE loves it and still wants one, and indeed I am borrowing one from another member later this week for an event I am a guest at on Friday, so that will be interesting. However, Fuji then seriously grabbed my attention with the X10, in no small way ably assisted by our very own DuncanDisorderly and added to by other TP fuji converts. So, the X10 won out, the flexibility of a zoom lens and some creative settings, with the ability to run very capably on auto and unlike some of the M3/4 systems, very easy to drop in even a smallish handbag. As soon as that lens I no longer use is sold, it would be ours.....

Then Fuji tip up the apple cart again with this beastie, which on specs alone is a mighty piece of kit, looks good enough to eat and assuming it has all the breeding of its 'smaller' sisters, would do the job very well.


BUT....and here is the thing... it takes us right back to needing a bigger handbag [read, small camera bag if you have more then a single lens] AND that predicted price tag, which is hefty by anyones standards. I could buy another D700 body for that kind of money, sell the D300 and still be better off in my pocket with the same 'size' of kit as I currently have but double the quantity of quality pictures when using both bodies.

So, as much as this IS a piece of kit I would love, being practical, I want a piece of kit that does a job [or to be totally pedantic, doesn't do a job, it's a hobby camera, Nikon does my money earning], at a value for money price and that I think is still the X10.

So, the X Pro 1 can sit on the wish list, somewhere just behind that Leica, waiting for that lottery jackpot - I want you, but for now, I will lust after everyone elses :D
 
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