I am not one to rant

Forbiddenbiker said:
Haha ...just looked up that filter word. ...Spot on, erm no I mean, Hits the mark, no no that not right...
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You made me look it up too! :rolleyes:

....and even more impressive was the addition of an extra i by the Urban Dictionary!

....twice, before I had even looked at it!!!! :p
 
Forbiddenbiker said:
So id guess based on how you treat this me .....You'd all be just as good at parenting doing it without physical chastisement. :D ha.
Don't you think?
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I'm still gutted over the fact that child slavery has been abolished, and you can no longer send them up chimneys :(

But more seriously,
Both mine (one of each) now in their 20's were punished,
both knew the boundaries and if they crossed them they suffered the consequences.

They soon learned that a look or a word from me (or their mum) was time to quit, what ever they were about to do,
or were doing.

So yes you set the ground rules and normally a word or a look is enough.
But here's the rub, you have to be prepared to back it up.
Otherwise urine will be extracted.
And this has now gone full circle, back to the OP's point ;)

Oh and BTW one of mine runs their own business,
the other has a very "responsible job" in the private sector.
So I guess it didn't do them any harm either ;)

Forbiddenbiker said:
Haha ...just looked up that filter word. ...Spot on, erm no I mean, Hits the mark, no no that not right...
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And I know what you typed too
Norty :p

Oh and one final point Adam, I remember how you got your user title ;)
 
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Forbiddenbiker said:
So that 'punishment' didn't work in the long run then ... ;)
...are you still naughty ...? ;
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Oh it did, because I knew right from wrong, my choice to push the boundaries at times ;) and that is part pf growing up
I would never have thrown a tantrum in public or expected the entire family to bow to my wishes on a day out, it just wasn't done

When my youngest threw a tantrum in a supermarket once, I took her out of the trolley sat her in the aisle and walked away,
stayed out of sight at a safe distance till she realised what had happened and panic set in, she soon came running after me
much to the amusement of other shoppers, first and last tantrum !!

Am I still naughty, of course ;):D
 
Cobra said:
Actually my own little mini rant, if you don't mind Archie ( :D)
Someone I am distantly related to, 21 year old, single mum, just over a year old sprog.
Going around a "large food outlet"
The kid grabs two cadbury's cream eggs, and eats them on the way round the store.

What does she do? Discipline the child? ( a stern No! and a light tap on the back of the hand would do it)
and put them back? No!

She post about it on face book with a "LOL cheeky monkey"
As to whether she paid for them at the till I have no idea,
but I have my own theory on that ;)
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why would you discipline the child, it doesn't know any better for the most part. if the parent sees the grabing and fails to do anything then its parents fault not the childs. My kids took things off shelves on more than once - often we would end up with free chocolate lol. Its different when they are older and they understand that its wrong.
 
POAH said:
why would you discipline the child, it doesn't know any better for the most part. if the parent sees the grabing and fails to do anything then its parents fault not the childs. My kids took things off shelves on more than once - often we would end up with free chocolate lol. Its different when they are older and they understand that its wrong.
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If the child is over 4 they should know it's theft.

Period.
 
POAH said:
why would you discipline the child, it doesn't know any better for the most part. if the parent sees the grabing and fails to do anything then its parents fault not the childs. My kids took things off shelves on more than once - often we would end up with free chocolate lol. Its different when they are older and they understand that its wrong.
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And never will, unless taught.
 
POAH said:
why would you discipline the child, it doesn't know any better for the most part. if the parent sees the grabing and fails to do anything then its parents fault not the childs. My kids took things off shelves on more than once - often we would end up with free chocolate lol. Its different when they are older and they understand that its wrong.
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That is theft, pure and simple, it is up to you as the parent to teach the child it isn't acceptable and pay for the item they have stolen and consumed.
You are right, a year old child doesn't know any better and never will unless a responsible parent teaches it
 
Gremlin said:
That is theft, pure and simple, it is up to you as the parent to teach the child it isn't acceptable and pay for the item they have stolen and consumed.
You are right, a year old child doesn't know any better and never will unless a responsible parent teaches it
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but even if you tell a one year old its wrong they don't understand - I'm not condoning the behaviour I just know how difficult it is to get a child to understand.
 
POAH said:
who is talking about a 4 year old??????????
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I did. It was a general observation.

In relation to the 1 year old, they should be taught not to steal after being told what stealing is.

Personally, I would not 'lol' if I were to find out that my children had stolen; and in my opinion referring to it as 'free chocolate', makes you/the parent a thief by association.
 
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Gremlin said:
So how are you supposed to discipline kids :thinking:
Send them to their rooms to play on the games consuls/watch TV......... getting them out of their rooms is a bigger problem
If we deprive them of things that seems to be wrong too.
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behave or the games consul/ tv goes in the loft for a month - second offence/serious offence it goes for good , or until behaviour shows a marked improvement
 
Cobra said:
Actually my own little mini rant, if you don't mind Archie ( :D)
Someone I am distantly related to, 21 year old, single mum, just over a year old sprog.
Going around a "large food outlet"
The kid grabs two cadbury's cream eggs, and eats them on the way round the store.

What does she do? Discipline the child? ( a stern No! and a light tap on the back of the hand would do it)
and put them back? No!

She post about it on face book with a "LOL cheeky monkey"
As to whether she paid for them at the till I have no idea,
but I have my own theory on that ;)
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somewhat lack of supervision not to be able to notice what they've got and stop them eating it - she's lucky it was actually food and not something harmful

with an older child i'd stop their pocket money until they'd paid for the item
 
POAH said:
why would you discipline the child, it doesn't know any better for the most part. if the parent sees the grabing and fails to do anything then its parents fault not the childs. My kids took things off shelves on more than once - often we would end up with free chocolate lol. Its different when they are older and they understand that its wrong.
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I'm not saying beat the crap out of it.
But the child should be made to realise that it can't just take what it wants when it wants.
I agree with the second part too, yes it is the parents fault, for allowing it to happen.
But my point was, rather than put the sweets back with a "no"
She posted (boasted even) about it on face book, that was really the point.

big soft moose said:
somewhat lack of supervision not to be able to notice what they've got and stop them eating it - she's lucky it was actually food and not something harmful

with an older child i'd stop their pocket money until they'd paid for the item
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Absolutely agree 100%
 
Cobra said:
She posted (boasted even) about it on face book, that was really the point.
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yeah that's not good -" hey everyone my child's a thief , recognise " - when they are older will she be framing their asbos like some parents do degree certificates , and attending their first hearing for TWOC with a proud expression and a dewy eye :lol:
 
big soft moose said:
yeah that's not good -" hey everyone my child's a thief , recognise " - when they are older will she be framing their asbos like some parents do degree certificates , and attending their first hearing for TWOC with a proud expression and a dewy eye :LOL:
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That would be quite funny, if it wasn't (probably) so near the truth, these days ;)
 
Still at least she doesn't need to worry about them growing up without away to make a living " my kid might nick everything that's not nailed down , but hey at least he's not a benefits scrounger"
 
and so we come full circle, we are not allowed to chastise our kids when they do wrong, but it is our fault when they grow up
not know right from wrong ................................... I despair at times:(
 
Talking about troublesome kids who grow up with the world owes me a living attitude. My missus has just completed another study in SEN of year 8 onwards in their educational surroundings...... over a cross section of schools and educational establishments. she has witnessed young adults tell there teachers "go f*** yourself", "I will kill you in your in your sleep !" And even one child carried a grenade (belonged to drug dealer dad) into their school to teach the teacher a lesson........ most of the parents don't care about the behavior of their kids and blame the system within the school and another amazing fact is that 16 year old girls have the worst attitude....... maybe national service would be an answer........
 
I vote we send them to the afghan , drop them in the green zone and leave them to fight their way out bare handed - anyone who makes it back to bastion gets to enlist. Natural selection :lol:
 
big soft moose said:
I vote we send them to the afghan , drop them in the green zone and leave them to fight their way out bare handed - anyone who makes it back to bastion gets to enlist. Natural selection :LOL:
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No need to guess which side would come out better in the "school of hard knocks"!
 
big soft moose said:
I vote we send them to the afghan , drop them in the green zone and leave them to fight their way out bare handed - anyone who makes it back to bastion gets to enlist. Natural selection :LOL:
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There is no "the" in Afghanistan. ..nor a green zone.
 
archangel said:
another amazing fact is that 16 year old girls have the worst attitude....... maybe national service would be an answer........
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and as far as I can remember girls never did National Service, so they were kept in line by parents


big soft moose said:
I vote we send them to the afghan , drop them in the green zone and leave them to fight their way out bare handed - anyone who makes it back to bastion gets to enlist. Natural selection :LOL:
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and by the time this has made it through parliament we will no longer have any troops there
Keep up with the NEWS Pete
 
[quote="Gremlin, post: 6168424, member: 5523]and by the time this has made it through parliament we will no longer have any troops there[/quote]
Maybe thats the point? A bit harder, sort the wheat from the chaff
 
HalfPints mk2 (aged 4) knew to put back a little Argos pencil after she'd been writing with it in the store because "it's not mine, Daddy".

I'd like to think I've done an ok job, so far. :)
 
Cobra said:
I'm still gutted over the fact that child slavery has been abolished, and you can no longer send them up chimneys :(

...

Oh and one final point Adam, I remember how you got your user title ;)
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Don't worry t won't last here ...in fact it's nearly back bigger, better and more ruthless than ever. ;)
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Hey, I didn't say I was innocent... But I'd bet strongly that that adult thief had been bought up disciplined with physical chastisement, just like I was...so...their you go, makes no difference I could easily argue.

Gremlin said:
Oh it did, because I knew right from wrong, my choice to push the boundaries at times ;) and that is part pf growing up
I would never have thrown a tantrum in public or expected the entire family to bow to my wishes on a day out, it just wasn't done

When my youngest threw a tantrum in a supermarket once, I took her out of the trolley sat her in the aisle and walked away,
stayed out of sight at a safe distance till she realised what had happened and panic set in, she soon came running after me
much to the amusement of other shoppers, first and last tantrum !!

Am I still naughty, of course ;):D
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See naughty, you've just proved you don't need physical chastisement ...not my words. :D

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Philip Larkin once wrote a poem about the innocents of young men signing up for death at the beginning of the first world war. Its called MCMXIV (1914) He said the crowds enthusiasm reminded him of football or cricket crows eagerly queueing to see a match.

Its that same innocents ripple of acceptance that we're still riding, even now 100 years later, it's tiny, but still in most of us I think.
 
Forbiddenbiker said:
Philip Larkin once wrote a poem about the innocents of young men signing up for death at the beginning of the first world war.
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He also wrote one called "This Be The Verse". Possibly NSFW should anyone Google it.
 
I hear a lot of parents say "I was disciplined as a child so I will never discipline my kids" and "I had nothing when I was a kid so I'm gonna give my kids everything even if it means going into debt"
This is all wrong.
 
Nod said:
He also wrote one called "This Be The Verse". Possibly NSFW should anyone Google it.
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Aye that fits too, most of his stuff does to be fair. ....If I was Gov, Id make it law that Larkin cannot be titled NSFAnything.... and kids have to read it at primary school. ;)

Tigger.ufo said:
Just google "bajingo" and it shows the wrongly spelled word twice without actually having to open the Urban dictionary site. :D
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:D OMG yes so it does. I searched from t wat so missed that little nuance... very amusing results if you search the miss-spelling BTW ... Dear guys, my husband reckons it doesn't matter, but after giving birth to 3 kids my 'miss-spelling' is as wide and wet as a river in Virginia, arf arf. ...lol, honestly you couldn't make this stuff up!
 
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I'll never be able to listen to Laurel and Hardy's version of "the Blue Ridged Mountains" again!
 
viv1969 said:
There is no "the" in Afghanistan. ..nor a green zone.
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sigh, wrong on both counts

"the afghan" is what the troops call it (or at least called it when we had a decent number in country) and in Afghanistan "the green zone" is the name given by UK/US forces to the band of lush jungle like vegetation which runs along the river helmand , so called because viewed from the air the country is pretty much brown until you get near the river. It is also where there is the most trouble as the lush vegetation made it easy for insurgents to hide and to ambush.
 
viv1969 said:
There is no "the" in Afghanistan. ..nor a green zone.
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This isn't just from the movies. It's. very much in use today. Virtually every word or situation is either shortened or given acronyms, Example. In a very hot place recently the traffic lights were out at a major junction. It didn't matter what direction the cars were coming from everyone just went through it at full tonk without slowing down. So infamous and dangerous was this. That within hours this was universally known as 'malfunction junction' the military have it's own ever evolving and changing vocabulary.
 
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