I always clean up after Doggie poops

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Ive already explained how the "danger" of horse muck is not a real danger, and given reasoning for it with all types of transport (post 218). If you can't be bothered to read it and comment why I was wrong on any of those points then I shall not bother to continue posting in this thread.
 
Tax or no tax - muck is muck - and should be cleaned up by the person enjoying the ride.

Its that simple in the end...
 
odd jim said:
Like I say, it's not a mechanically propelled vehicle. You can look at the definition of this under the road traffic act.

Just clarifying this for people.
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Its not *quite* that simple though is it? One of the projects that car tax is used for is maintenance of highways and in that context - major infrastructure projects like new roads etc.... This is why 'road tax' and 'vehicle tax' are often used interchangeably. Entirely separate, but I would wager that ALL road users should pay some level of tax - even if the sum is nominal.

One way or another - there is no tax that cover a 'boy' to clean up after lazy horse riders - hence the riders *should* do it.

:thinking: I wonder if the riders with all their 'gear' actually turn the horse into a mechanically propelled vehicle?.....
 
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luckychip said:
Tax or no tax - muck is muck - and should be cleaned up by the person enjoying the ride.

Its that simple in the end...
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Its not that simple, what about all the forest ponies, you would still have all their mess on the road. oh and one other thing, I really do not have am issue with horse poo on the forest roads, and I will tell you why, its the countryside, it its part of the country side. This just seems to be another case of "townies" wanting to push their wants into every one else like the ban on fox hunting, but thats a totally separate discussion and totally irrelevant here.
 
luckychip said:
Its not *quite* that simple though is it? One of the projects that car tax is used for is maintenance of highways and in that context - major infrastructure projects like new roads etc.... This is why 'road tax' and 'vehicle tax' are often used interchangeably. Entirely separate, but I would wager that ALL road users should pay some level of tax - even if the sum is nominal.

One way or another - there is no tax that cover a 'boy' to clean up after lazy horse riders - hence the riders *should* do it.

:thinking: I wonder if the riders with all their 'gear' actually turn the horse into a mechanically propelled vehicle?.....
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Don't take it personally buddy I was just explaining the law and what vehicle excise duty is and why it doesn't apply to horses, riders and carts.

As for the last bit (even though I've given the legal definition as to what a mechanically prepared vehicle is) unless you put an engine or motor on it that works its legs, indicators, weight plates, register it with the dvla somehow, and get the horse tested for emissions (I could go on) no it doesn't turn it into a mechanically propelled vehicle!

The main clue is in the title "mechanically propelled" though ;)
 
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odd jim said:
Don't take it personally buddy I was just explaining the law and what vehicle excise duty is and why it doesn't apply to horses, riders and carts.

As for the last bit (even though I've given the legal definition as to what a mechanically prepared vehicle is) unless you put an engine or motor on it that works its legs, indicators, weight plates, register it with the dvla somehow, and get the horse tested for emissions (I could go on) no it doesn't turn it into a mechanically propelled vehicle!

The main clue is in the title "mechanically propelled" though ;)
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Fair points.
 
Davec223 said:
Its not that simple, what about all the forest ponies, you would still have all their mess on the road. oh and one other thing, I really do not have am issue with horse poo on the forest roads, and I will tell you why, its the countryside, it its part of the country side. This just seems to be another case of "townies" wanting to push their wants into every one else like the ban on fox hunting, but thats a totally separate discussion and totally irrelevant here.
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Ah... the old 'townies' argument - and the last toy out of your pram eh? :D

The thing is - if you read the build up of the thread, you would see that some of the offending (and stinking) doo-doo actually manifests itself in urban areas.
Riders often 'trek' main roads, near houses and (purposely?) let their horses defecate with impunity. I KNOW - it isn't nice - is it?
 
Do you seriously think they do it purposely?

You really don't like horse riders do you? That's the real issue here I think. ;)
 
ZoneV said:
Do you seriously think they do it purposely?

You really don't like horse riders do you? :D
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Don't mind them as long as they clean up! Am not going to blame the animals - horses are lovely creatures....
 
I have to laugh at comparing Forest Ponies who roam wild to irresponsible owners who won't clean up.

It's semi rural where I live - if my dog craps on the path, I clean it up, often there are huge piles of horse crap on main pathways for my children to skirt around a foot away from where I clean when we head out to country parks etc.

Or perhaps the answer is that I should keep my children away from country parks?
 
jomantha said:
I have to laugh at comparing Forest Ponies who roam wild to irresponsible owners who won't clean up.

It's semi rural where I live - if my dog craps on the path, I clean it up, often there are huge piles of horse crap on main pathways for my children to skirt around a foot away from where I clean when we head out to country parks etc.

Or perhaps the answer is that I should keep my children away from country parks?
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You shouldn't have to keep away - owners of horses should clean up after them!
 
luckychip said:
Ah... the old 'townies' argument - and the last toy out of your pram eh? :D

The thing is - if you read the build up of the thread, you would see that some of the offending (and stinking) doo-doo actually manifests itself in urban areas.
Riders often 'trek' main roads, near houses and (purposely?) let their horses defecate with impunity. I KNOW - it isn't nice - is it?
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No toys out my pram. Just find it amusing/bemusing when townies (which I am one originally) come to the country for a "better" lifestyle then complain about the countryside, horse poo on the roads, country smells and the likes, as I said earlier our local paper gets letters in for all these sorts of things.

Ok I except in urban locations it may be more annoying but not in the countryside.
 
jomantha said:
I have to laugh at comparing Forest Ponies who roam wild to irresponsible owners who won't clean up.

It's semi rural where I live - if my dog craps on the path, I clean it up, often there are huge piles of horse crap on main pathways for my children to skirt around a foot away from where I clean when we head out to country parks etc.

Or perhaps the answer is that I should keep my children away from country parks?
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not laughable comparing forest ponies at all when the discussion has been about horse poo in the roads.

Again only a personal view, but still don't see the issue in county parks. My kids are always playing in the forest, you know what there it's already horse poo around, up just don't give it a second thought, While I admit dog owners who don't clean up really get my goat, and yes I grew up with dogs of a large breed irish wolfhound, and always cleared up after them. In my mind there is a big difference between dog poo and horse poo, dog poo is offensive while horse poo isn't.
 
As I said above i'm a country boy and I see the whole townie thing as a total red herring -most of the recreational horseriders are townies too.
 
big soft moose said:
As I said above i'm a country boy and I see the whole townie thing as a total red herring -most of the recreational horseriders are townies too.
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I have no issues with townies as long as they don't try and change the countryside and it's ways to be like a large city, I moved to get away from all that, the same as most do, but then to want it to be like a city I find totally bewildering. maybe I am just a grumpy sod, of have seen my ideal house and I would say it's nearest neighbour is at least half a mile away.
 
Davec223 said:
not laughable comparing forest ponies at all when the discussion has been about horse poo in the roads.

Again only a personal view, but still don't see the issue in county parks. My kids are always playing in the forest, you know what there it's already horse poo around, up just don't give it a second thought, While I admit dog owners who don't clean up really get my goat, and yes I grew up with dogs of a large breed irish wolfhound, and always cleared up after them. In my mind there is a big difference between dog poo and horse poo, dog poo is offensive while horse poo isn't.
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Actually Dave, *I* find horse poo very offensive - and don't see at all why it is considered to be a floral 'pot-pourri' relative to the dog moiety. They are equally foul in my view and ALL such be picked up.
When I think about it now - I am not a fan of doo-doo of any persuasion - and doing like to see it out and about....
 
big soft moose said:
As I said above i'm a country boy and I see the whole townie thing as a total red herring -most of the recreational horseriders are townies too.
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Absolutely!

The person who keeps throwing this up has effectively lost the main argument and is going off on an irrelevant tangent... hey ho...
 
how the f..k has the discussion of cleaning up dog poo to near enough 300 posts??????
 
Lynton said:
how the f..k has the discussion of cleaning up dog poo to near enough 300 posts??????
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Quite.

Luckychip, you'd LOVE a stroll through a cattle field. I'm sure the farmer would clear the pats off the path for you if you asked nicely and explained your concerns. :D
 
luckychip said:
Absolutely!

The person who keeps throwing this up has effectively lost the main argument and is going off on an irrelevant tangent... hey ho...
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sorry you feel it was an itrelevant tangent, I was just typing my thoughts. I stand by what I have said, I may not agree with other peoples thoughts and ideas on this thread but every one is entitled to their opinion and speaking their opinions.As for losing the argument ok, if thats what you think. so be it.
 
Davec223 said:
not laughable comparing forest ponies at all when the discussion has been about horse poo in the roads.

My kids are always playing in the forest, you know what there it's already horse poo around,

dog poo is offensive while horse poo isn't.
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A) wild horses are well - wild they don't have owners to clean up after them

b) I'm talking about huge piles on main pathways

C) I find pooh - where it shouldn't be - offensive - I actually don't see how a huge pile of horse crap is less offensive than a dog pooh
 
The original point on horse muck was about motorcyle riders slipping onwhen they are charging asround and do n't see it if I remember rightly :shrug:
So on that point , yesterday coming home from work round some back lanes I came round a blind corner to be confronted by to horses with riders, rthey have to use the lanes to get to the bridleways as said before, did it cause any problems, not at all as my speed allowed for such an event, which is what you do round here, as I;ve said before it's not only horses and horse pooh, but also wild animal and birds, at the moment the pheasants that survived the shooting season are a major problem !!!
 
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Mostly wild animals in the uk dont leave enourmous heaps of poop big enough to cause a crash though - unless theres a feral heffalump population round your way
 
big soft moose said:
Mostly wild animals in the uk dont leave enourmous heaps of poop big enough to cause a crash though - unless theres a feral heffalump population round your way
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If you're referring to me, not talking about pooh, more the actual animals themselves :D

Actually has anyone noticed that when a fox/rabbit get's hit it usually ends up pretty much decimated in the road, whereas badgers seemed to lie largely undamaged on the side of the road :shrug:
 
Lots of pony poo on Llanddwyn Island - on the paths and everywhere.

Disgusting place, is nobody thinking of the children!

I joke, of course. It's a beautiful and very popular place to visit.
 
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jomantha said:
A) wild horses are well - wild they don't have owners to clean up after them

b) I'm talking about huge piles on main pathways

C) I find pooh - where it shouldn't be - offensive - I actually don't see how a huge pile of horse crap is less offensive than a dog pooh
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Hear hear!
 
personally i have no problem with cow poo at all, after literally being covered in it from head to toe more than once (when milking cows in my 3rd year uni project.) .. i soon learnt that when the tail goes up..... also i managed a spectacular slide and fall into about 3" of it as well..... the only trouble was couldn't get rid of the cow / cow poo smell for weeks, but it did make getting a pint at the bar a lot easier....
 
Lynton said:
but it did make getting a pint at the bar a lot easier....
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haha result :thumbs:

How long is this thread going to go on for though?....
 
gman said:
haha result :thumbs:

How long is this thread going to go on for though?....
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Who knows. It got to an impasse about 2 pages ago. I admire Mary for her conviction though. Respect!
 
simon44 said:
Who knows. It got to an impasse about 2 pages ago. I admire Mary for her conviction though. Respect!
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Thanks Simon!
Important issues are worth the effort I always think... I had a look st the petition on horse-crap that you pointed out also, and was about to sign it when I noticed a bit about horse-muck not having pathogens.

I don't believe this for one minute - nothing good can smell THAT bad! Way worse than cat/dog or even human stuff!
 
Lynton said:
personally i have no problem with cow poo at all, after literally being covered in it from head to toe more than once (when milking cows in my 3rd year uni project.) .. i soon learnt that when the tail goes up..... also i managed a spectacular slide and fall into about 3" of it as well..... the only trouble was couldn't get rid of the cow / cow poo smell for weeks, but it did make getting a pint at the bar a lot easier....
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You poor sod - not too good for the 'love-life' either I suspect... :sigh:
 
luckychip said:
Thanks Simon!
Important issues are worth the effort I always think... I had a look st the petition on horse-crap that you pointed out also, and was about to sign it when I noticed a bit about horse-muck not having pathogens.

I don't believe this for one minute - nothing good can smell THAT bad! Way worse than cat/dog or even human stuff!
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I wouldn't say it's worse than humans.

Ever been to a music festival?
 
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odd jim said:
I wouldn't say it's worse than humans.

Ever been to a music festival?
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Depends on his much beer swilling and dancing the horse has engaged in.... :-)
 
odd jim said:
I wouldn't say it's worse than humans.

Ever been to a music festival?
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Oh no! Please no! There was a whole other thread on pooing recently :gag:
 
fabs said:
I really don't see what the issue is with a substance that has nothing harmful in it being on the roads. Yes it can be slippery but it isn't transparent, surely people are able to see it and avoid it.
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I know this post is a few pages back but it made me chuckle.... I was a bright yellow biker, a lot larger than a pile of horse excrement, but still the car driver didn't see me..... That's the issue us bikers have with poo on the roads... It's not easily spotted until you hit it
 
Having just leafed through this thread, I do like the comedy aspect of it . . . but some people seriously need to get off this . . .

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Ian D J said:
Having just leafed through this thread, I do like the comedy aspect of it . . . but some people seriously need to get off this . . .
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And pick up its poop? I agree!
 
Something wasn't quite right about that image.....

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Ahhh, there we go! ;)
 
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