I always clean up after Doggie poops

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My final thought on this is that things could always be worse.....

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luckychip said:
STOP PRESS - I think I have spotted the problem! You think that the meaning of 'cant' is what I understand as 'wont' - and vice versa.

This is the only possible explanation for the (apparently inconsiderate) attitude about not being abke to pick up after your steed!
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Mary, I've explained numerous times why they can't, if you can't be bothered to even acknowledge them then that's purely your issue.
 
gman said:
I think this thread is deteriorating quite rapidly.

My final thought on this is that things could always be worse.....
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:lol:

You're not wrong there!
 
There is a petition for horse fouling

Marc, I have taken on-board what you are saying, but I don't accept your reasoning. You keep saying you can't clean up after your horse, wherever it drops a bomb. It's emotive for me because I was nearly killed by horse crap in the middle of the road.

Straight question. If out of the 10 times your horse craps on the road. The one time it ejects a brown bomb in a dangerous place (middle of the road and on the apex of a corner) would you clean it up?
 
ZoneV said:
Sounds like a "no".

"Street clensing routine"? Sounds like city/town talk. None of that in the countryside.

Best to take the city head off when driving/riding out in the sticks. Think of horse manure as the countrysides speed humps and drive/ride with this in mind.
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But I don't want tyre treads packed with foul smelling horse manure coming back with me into an urban area after a day out in the sticks either.

My dogs are attracted to this stuff (and indeed anything that is rank/rancid) - and I'd rather they didn't get ill from it.

No - the safest way forward is ckearky that riders do not continue to shirk their responsibilities. They need to start cleaning up...
 
simon44 said:
There is a petition for horse fouling

Marc, I have taken on-board what you are saying, but I don't accept your reasoning. You keep saying you can't clean up after your horse, wherever it drops a bomb. It's emotive for me because I was nearly killed by horse crap in the middle of the road.

Straight question. If out of the 10 times your horse craps on the road. The one time it ejects a brown bomb in a dangerous place (middle of the road and on the apex of a corner) would you clean it up?
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Straight answer: I can't because there is no practical way to do it without putting myself, my horse and other road users in danger.
 
luckychip said:
But I don't want tyre treads packed with foul smelling horse manure coming back with me into an urban area after a day out in the sticks either.

My dogs are attracted to this stuff (and indeed anything that is rank/rancid) - and I'd rather they didn't get ill from it.
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Bloody townies. :) The countyside is a very dirty place, full of animals and stuff. :D
 
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fabs said:
Mary, I've explained numerous times why they can't, if you can't be bothered to even acknowledge them then that's purely your issue.
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I think you'll find its just that mary and others disagree with you about why those reasons are a can't rather than a don't want to

your basic premise seems to be that an uncontrolled horse would be dangerous - fine , we all agree with that, tie it to a tree/fence/lampost/telegraph pole/sign post or whatever then shovel the dung to the verge

I can't see any other reason not to do so unless you are going to have trouble remounting - and in that case how do you cope with gates etc ?
 
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gman said:
I think this thread is deteriorating quite rapidly.

My final thought on this is that things could always be worse.....
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Absolutely! Was near a baby elephant that broke wind and then made an ele-doo-doo one time!
Now THERE was a pong and a half... :lol:
 
ZoneV said:
Bloody townies. :) The countyside is a very dirty place.
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I know! - nothing that a good scrub with bleach wont sort out though - thank heavens!
 
luckychip said:
Absolutely! Was near a baby elephant that broke wind and then made an ele-doo-doo one time!
Now THERE was a pong and a half... :lol:
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P.S. I should say that there was a 'boy' with a spade/narrow who *did* pick up though, and the quantity was much greater than from a horse...
 
luckychip said:
But I don't want tyre treads packed with foul smelling horse manure coming back with me into an urban area after a day out in the sticks either.

My dogs are attracted to this stuff (and indeed anything that is rank/rancid) - and I'd rather they didn't get ill from it.

No - the safest way forward is ckearky that riders do not continue to shirk their responsibilities. They need to start cleaning up...
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Then do everyone, including yourself, a favour and stay in town, rather than coming into the sticks. The reason being that you are far more likely to pick up dead fox/badger/pheasant on your treads than manure on any of the roads that you are likely to be on.

Out of interest, how slow is your bike if it needs treads that actually pick stuff up?
 
big soft moose said:
I think you'll find its just that mary and others disagree with you about why those reasons are a can't rather than a don't want to

your basic premise seems to be that an uncontrolled horse would be dangerous - fine , we all agree with that, tie it to a tree/fence/lampost/telegraph pole/sign post or whatever then shovel the dung to the verge

I can't see any other reason not to do so unless you are going to have trouble remounting - and in that case how do you cope with gates etc ?
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I don't mind that others don't agree with me Pete, but I would like them to at least explain why they do so rather than just say that we "won't" or "can't be arsed" etc.

As for tying horses to static objects. Well, apart from the fact that doing so can be very dangerous if a horse is then spooked by something and can't get free, most of the country roads around here are hedge lined and, where there are trees, they are usually quite old and way too big to tie anything around.

As for gates, most can be opened and closed by the rider whilst still mounted or the gates themselves can be used to remount.
 
DemiLion said:
Then do everyone, including yourself, a favour and stay in town, rather than coming into the sticks. The reason being that you are far more likely to pick up dead fox/badger/pheasant on your treads than manure on any of the roads that you are likely to be on.

Out of interest, how slow is your bike if it needs treads that actually pick stuff up?
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I pay my road taxes - I think this means that I am entitled to peruse the countryside... if you know otherwise, please enlighten me.

What's this about a bike? I travel by foot or motor vehicle only.... I might get splashed with something nasty from unclean roads if I used a bike on them!
 
DemiLion said:
Then do everyone, including yourself, a favour and stay in town, rather than coming into the sticks. The reason being that you are far more likely to pick up dead fox/badger/pheasant on your treads than manure on any of the roads that you are likely to be on.

Out of interest, how slow is your bike if it needs treads that actually pick stuff up?
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This stay in the town stuff is tedious red herring crap imo - I'm a country boy , born and bred , and I still agree with mary that hoofing great heaps of poo in the middle of the road are a hazard to motor bikers, cyclists etc

Its neither difficult nor dangerous to get off and move it (on country lanes - I wouldnt recomend it on A roads but then it will get smooshed by the traffic flow anyway) - as i said just tie the horse to something , quick kick or shovel and get back on

fact is that many riders just don't want to interrupt their ride, in the same way that the inconsiderate minority of dog walkers don't want to pick up their doggy poop

(and i'd also note that many horse riders are townie types who have moved out to the countryside where they can keep horses - they are about as close to countryside folk as a porsche cayenne is to a propper 4x4 )
 
fabs said:
I don't mind that others don't agree with me Pete, but I would like them to at least explain why they do so rather than just say that we "won't" or "can't be arsed" etc.

As for tying horses to static objects. Well, apart from the fact that doing so can be very dangerous if a horse is then spooked by something and can't get free, most of the country roads around here are hedge lined and, where there are trees, they are usually quite old and way too big to tie anything around.

As for gates, most can be opened and closed by the rider whilst still mounted or the gates themselves can be used to remount.
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I'm with Pete on this....
 
big soft moose said:
This stay in the town stuff is tedious red herring crap imo - I'm a country boy , born and bred , and I still agree with mary that hoofing great heaps of poo in the middle of the road are a hazard to motor bikers, cyclists etc

Its neither difficult nor dangerous to get off and move it (on country lanes - I wouldnt recomend it on A roads but then it will get smooshed by the traffic flow anyway) - as i said just tie the horse to something , quick kick or shovel and get back on

fact is that many riders just don't want to interrupt their ride, in the same way that the inconsiderate minority of dog walkers don't want to pick up their doggy poop

(and i'd also note that many horse riders are townie types who have moved out to the countryside where they can keep horses - they are about as close to countryside folk as a porsche cayenne is to a propper 4x4 )
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Exactly my sentiments - and I would add an echo of 'too posh to pick-up', as that is the mood I am sensing on this thread....
 
fabs said:
I don't mind that others don't agree with me Pete, but I would like them to at least explain why they do so rather than just say that we "won't" or "can't be arsed" etc.

As for tying horses to static objects. Well, apart from the fact that doing so can be very dangerous if a horse is then spooked by something and can't get free, most of the country roads around here are hedge lined and, where there are trees, they are usually quite old and way too big to tie anything around.

As for gates, most can be opened and closed by the rider whilst still mounted or the gates themselves can be used to remount.
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Now you are just finding excuses - you can't not tie the horse up because its dangerous to have it free , you can't tie it up because thats dangerous if it can't get free - if your horse is that skittish that its so dangerous to get off it under any circumstances then you shouldnt be riding it in public anyway.

Ive been living in the coutryside for nearly 38 years and I have never seen a country lane that has nothing you can tie a horse to - if its hedge lined tie it to the hedge, or a fence post etc.
 
luckychip said:
Exactly my sentiments - and I would add an echo of 'too posh to pick-up', as that is the mood I am sensing on this thread....
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The second part of your name would appear to be appropriate then.
 
big soft moose said:
(and i'd also note that many horse riders are townie types who have moved out to the countryside where they can keep horses - they are about as close to countryside folk as a porsche cayenne is to a propper 4x4 )
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Booom! :D
 
All this is irrelevant - until there's a law, I don't see what anyone can do about it.

The majority of dog owners didn't bag their dog's play doh until legislation was introduced (whatever they may tell you) so I can't see horse riders being any different, especially in the countryside.
 
big soft moose said:
Now you are just finding excuses - you can't not tie the horse up because its dangerous to have it free , you can't tie it up because thats dangerous if it can't get free - if your horse is that skittish that its so dangerous to get off it under any circumstances then you shouldnt be riding it in public anyway.

Ive been living in the coutryside for nearly 38 years and I have never seen a country lane that has nothing you can tie a horse to - if its hedge lined tie it to the hedge, or a fence post etc.
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Not finding excuses, just stating facts. As for country lanes that don't have anything to tie horses to, plenty around here. The one mile road that my wife has to ride down to get to the bridle paths has one telegraph pole about half way down, chances that this is where the horse will decide the time is right?

The other issue of course is, where Simon mentioned about on the apex of a bend. It's dangerous to have horse poo there but apparently not dangerous for a person to be stood there with a shovel?
 
I just came across this:

One creative solution is suggested by the story of a Australian Harley Davidson rider, who crossed thousands of American road miles using only biofuels of various kinds. One of these was farmyard manure. Perhaps future motorbike models will come with a poop scoop?

Brilliant!!! Horse riders and motorcyclists unite! :D
 
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gman said:
I just came across this:

One creative solution is suggested by the story of a Australian Harley Davidson rider, who crossed thousands of American road miles using only biofuels of various kinds. One of these was farmyard manure. Perhaps future motorbike models will come with a poop scoop?

Brilliant!!! Horse riders and motorcyclists unit! :D
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Now your'e being silly.

*googles a feasibility study*
 
big soft moose said:
(and i'd also note that many horse riders are townie types who have moved out to the countryside where they can keep horses - they are about as close to countryside folk as a porsche cayenne is to a propper 4x4 )
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In the countryside, doing countryside things. What difference does where they moved from make?
 
ZoneV said:
In the countryside, doing countryside things. What difference does where they moved from make?
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Nothing much, but it's nice to stick a toe where the sun don't shine to the city types buying all the homes in Cornwall and leaving them empty 10 months of the year.
 
ZoneV said:
In the countryside, doing countryside things. What difference does where they moved from make?
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Attitude and understanding for the most part. :)
 
simon44 said:
Nothing much, but it's nice to stick a toe where the sun don't shine to the city types buying all the homes in Cornwall and leaving them empty 10 months of the year.
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Sigh.

And on that bombshell...
 
simon44 said:
That will do the job.

I mean your'e only riding on the road to get to the bridleways. When you reach the bridleway take it off, so it's not on there all day.

*******Your not paying road tax which is fair enough***** so why not make the effort to not crap on the road?
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Just to clarify, there's no such thing as road tax in the UK. The disc you put on your windscreen / bike is Vehicle Excise Duty which has nothing to do with paying to be on the roads (which is why for very low emission vehicles it's free).

As a horse isn't a vehicle (the legal definition of 'vehicle' can be found in the Road Traffic Act) how can you apply a taxable duty to it?
 
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What about a horse and cart?
 
gman said:
What about a horse and cart?
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Like I say, it's not a mechanically propelled vehicle. You can look at the definition of this under the road traffic act.

Just clarifying this for people.
 
odd jim said:
Just to clarify, there's no such thing as road tax in the UK. The disc you put on your windscreen / bike is Vehicle Excise Duty which has nothing to do with paying to be on the roads (which is why for very low emission vehicles it's free).

As a horse isn't a vehicle (the legal definition of 'vehicle' can be found in the Road Traffic Act) how can you apply a taxable duty to it?
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Thanks Jim, live and learn.
 
Indeed. And to clarify further (I know people won't want to look up bits of legislation which can be frustrating at the best of times!) the definition is;

"...Mechanically Propelled Vehicle [is a vehicle] intended or adapted for use on roads." And by adapted it means it must conform with uk construction and use regulations, ie, lights, indicators, weight limits etc etc.

It also has to be subject to registration rules for the uk. Clearly horse (and / or carts) don't require to be registered in the uk.

But back to the point, you're not paying for the right to use the road, or everyone would have to pay, cyclists, pedestrians etc. It's simply a duty to pay for keeping and using a vehicle in a public place, and these days it's more to do with the size of it's carbon footprint than anything else.

And I'm always sure to clean up after my dog :)
 
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