I always clean up after Doggie poops

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simon44 said:
I don't know, don't care it's not my problem. My problem is I fell off of my motorbike due to horse crap, which as i said is like ice when you hit it.

Why keep putting up barriers? There is an item designed to do the job, you spend enough on vets, saddles and horse boxes. Why not a poo catcher? It's the same attitude as people letting their dogs crap on the footpath without cleaning it up. Same a littering and fly tipping.
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the item is not fit for purpose as i have already explained, the price is irrelevant as i havent said that is a problem.
Im sorry you came off your bike because of some horse muck, but it could have easily have been some cow dung or fox crap, would you then expect the fox to clean up after itself???????
What about wild ponies on the moors? roads criss cross all over them but who cleans up after the ponies? no one, yet it doesnt seem to be a problem there





edit: why on earth has "criss cross" linked to some random play.com album??? lol
 
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luckychip said:
or should employ a 'boy' to follow them who can do the needful with a shovel/barrow.....
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Apart from the "do keep up" comment that is the best line of the day :thumbs:

Even funnier is people think your'e serious, And maybe for a split second considered it as an option :lol:
 
simon44 said:
Apart from the "do keep up" comment that is the best line of the day :thumbs:

Even funnier is people think your'e serious, And maybe for a split second considered it as an option :lol:
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i never considered it as a serious comment, but doesnt mean i cant explain the reasons why it would be unsuitable had it been a serious comment.
 
panther_87k said:
elegance is the least of the riders/horses worries with one of those (as i have listed)
do you think it fair to get a "boy" to follow a rider for 5 miles with a spade and barrow until they reach the bridleway? As i said before the number of bridleways is decreasing and some that are still around are unusable because they are not maintained and become overgrown (much like some footpaths in rural areas) so it can be a number of miles walking/trotting before you even reach a usable bridleway.

There were never very many complaints about dog mess up until someone designed a way to clear it up easily and without too much fuss, it was then those who didnt/still dont pick it up that complaints really began.
So until someone comes up with a properly viable way of cleaning up after a horse then there isnt much riders can do.
the current horse nappies are not a viable option and having someone follow behind on foot isnt viable either.
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In short - you just want to leave this around for the rest if us to deal with; not good enough.

Horses shouldnt be on a road for 5 miles either, but if they are - their detritus needs to be cleaned up. As for a 'boy'/butler assistant - i stand by it. Stable boys and farmers are well used of dealing with various dung on a daily basis - its not a big leap to think of paying a lad to accompany a rider on the off chance that the horse might be taken short....

As for dog poo, it should always be picked - no excuses - and said collections deposited in a suitable bin. Nobody I know really wants to slip/skid/touch/eat/smell poo of any kind - and that's aside from the health risks.
 
panther_87k said:
think about the size and weight of the item in question, then imagine it filled with horse muck (added weight) hardly suitable if the rider plans on going for a canter or gallop across the bridlepaths, balance is key when riding
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Not my problem. The poor horse has to carry the rider and a saddle - so here is a chance for the rider to do something....
 
simon44 said:
Why is it in production then?

It's about denial of accountability, dropped then forgotten, it's someone else's problem.
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there are millions of items for sale for millions of different reasons, do you think they all are of use to us? People make things thinking we need them/they fit a purpose but they dont. If the horse nappies really were suitable we'd all be using them already.
 
panther_87k said:
i never considered it as a serious comment, but doesnt mean i cant explain the reasons why it would be unsuitable had it been a serious comment.
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But I am deadly serious here.... why on earth would you think otherwise? You seem to be serious in your views....
 
luckychip said:
In short - you just want to leave this around for the rest if us to deal with; not good enough.

Horses shouldnt be on a road for 5 miles either, but if they are - their detritus needs to be cleaned up. As for a 'boy'/butler assistant - i stand by it. Stable boys and farmers are well used of dealing with various dung on a daily basis - its not a big leap to think of paying a lad to accompany a rider on the off chance that the horse might be taken short....

As for dog poo, it should always be picked - no excuses - and said collections deposited in a suitable bin. Nobody I know really wants to slip/skid/touch/eat/smell poo of any kind - and that's aside from the health risks.
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At no point have i said that i WANT to leave it around for someone else to deal with. I have stated that when a viable product comes onto the market for this purpose that is suitable for use by the horse then I and im sure many others will use it. As it stands there isnt a suitable product on the market as yet.
At one point there was no such thing as a pooper scooper, yet there didnt seem to be that many complaints about dog mess back then.

how do you propose riders get to the bridleways if they live 5 or so miles from the nearest one?
 
panther_87k said:
there are millions of items for sale for millions of different reasons, do you think they all are of use to us? People make things thinking we need them/they fit a purpose but they dont. If the horse nappies really were suitable we'd all be using them already.
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I wouldn't be using them - I don't have a horse! :lol:
 
luckychip said:
But I am deadly serious here.... why on earth would you think otherwise? You seem to be serious in your views....
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I am not the only one who didnt think you were serious so perhaps it had something to do with the way it was written
 
panther_87k said:
At no point have i said that i WANT to leave it around for someone else to deal with. I have stated that when a viable product comes onto the market for this purpose that is suitable for use by the horse then I and im sure many others will use it. As it stands there isnt a suitable product on the market as yet.
At one point there was no such thing as a pooper scooper, yet there didnt seem to be that many complaints about dog mess back then.

how do you propose riders get to the bridleways if they live 5 or so miles from the nearest one?
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Horse box and a 4x4.....
 
panther_87k said:
this is a horse nappy
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If I saw that whilst out riding a motorbike I think I'd simultaneously fall off and split my sides laughing.
 
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gman said:
Not you, I was referring to Adrian (Fracster) who clearly has a problem with and also a failing to understand motorcycles - both at the same time.
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I have no problem with motorcyclists whatsoever. I `m just sick of reading all the hard luck and he " was unfortunate" stuff on many a forum.

I have a bike license, but don`t ride anymore. Why? Because I have responsibilities now.Anything goes wrong, anything at all, the rider has problems and will end up hurt, no matter whose fault it may or may not be.

Quick question, why do bikers brag about how fast their bikes are, if they ride sensibly? They don`t ride sensibly on most occasions, no matter how you dress it up, simple fact.
 
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luckychip said:
Are you sure that's not a nappy bag - similar content, but different animal?
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Very likely is, a lot of people, myself included, use them as dog poo bags, but it certainly dosn't contain a nappy !!!
 
luckychip said:
Horse box and a 4x4.....
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and park where exactly? most bridleways dont have car parks



Anyway, i'll make this simple. Most of the time horse muck on the road is in the middle of the carriageway.

Cyclists- Should be riding on the left hand side of the carriageway (unless turning right) so shouldnt have any problem avoiding the muck.

Motorcyclists- As has been previously mentioned in this thread, have a number of small (in size) hazards they already need to watch out for, flattened drinks cans, manhole covers, wet leaves etc etc, so looking out for horse muck is easily enough added to this list.

Cars/vans/lorries etc- As the muck is generally in the middle of the carriageway then it will pass between the wheels of the vehicle causing no problem whatsoever. (unless you drive a reliant robin)

Pedestrians- Should not be walking down the middle of the carriageway anyway
 
panther_87k said:
and park where exactly? most bridleways dont have car parks



Anyway, i'll make this simple. Most of the time horse muck on the road is in the middle of the carriageway.

Cyclists- Should be riding on the left hand side of the carriageway (unless turning right) so shouldnt have any problem avoiding the muck.

Motorcyclists- As has been previously mentioned in this thread, have a number of small (in size) hazards they already need to watch out for, flattened drinks cans, manhole covers, wet leaves etc etc, so looking out for horse muck is easily enough added to this list.

Cars/vans/lorries etc- As the muck is generally in the middle of the carriageway then it will pass between the wheels of the vehicle causing no problem whatsoever. (unless you drive a reliant robin)

Pedestrians- Should not be walking down the middle of the carriageway anyway
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All your reasons equate to one thing, you can't be arsed to pick up the crap your animal has dropped.
 
simon44 said:
All your reasons equate to one thing, you can't be arsed to pick up the crap your animal has dropped.
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nice of you to jump to conclusions. I dont have a horse, i have worked in stable yards and the like i understand the way things work

also my reasons actually equate to the fact that its not really as much of a problem as some people are making out
 
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I have a solution if people must ride horses on the road. I keep a collapsible snow shovel in the boot in winter. Maybe the riders could carry a collapsible shovel to shovel the **** to the side of the road at least.
 
rssmrry said:
I have a solution if people must ride horses on the road. I keep a collapsible snow shovel in the boot in winter. Maybe the riders could carry a collapsible shovel to shovel the **** to the side of the road at least.
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Of course, having an unattended horse on the road is far safer than a bit of ****. :thinking:
 
OK. You don't want to clean up after yourself, fair enough.
 
fabs said:
Bliimin' 'ell, how many times do people have to tell you that they can't?
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Heck - replace 'cant' with 'wont' and you are entirely correct!

'Cannot' is complete crap!
 
rssmrry said:
I have a solution if people must ride horses on the road. I keep a collapsible snow shovel in the boot in winter. Maybe the riders could carry a collapsible shovel to shovel the **** to the side of the road at least.
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Now there *is* a practical solution for horse riders on public highways - but I think that my rucksack idea might top it :-)

Good thinking....
 
panther_87k said:
this is a horse nappy
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How can anyone say that this would be comfortable for the horse?
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Firstly, as an experinaced horseman, wild to draft breaker, point to point get fit trainer, 6 horse harness user and some years trying to be a farrier, im sure if developed as such that scoop thing would be fine, and as comfortable as the rest of the stuff we've been shackling them too since 1000AD. get in!

And secondly, if I saw someone riding that, Id pee myself laughing. :lol: :eek: ...lets face it your (I would be) worring far more about how that looks than how comfortable it is right? ;)

Might be a good idea for dogs as well... ? ;)
 
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fabs said:
"can't be arsed" and "don't want to" despite being told that it's not possible on numerous occasions. Getting a bit boring now that you're just trolling.
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I could take offence to that :)

I have been more than measured in my responses to you and your supporters. I said it's ok to crap on the side of the road, my issue is crapping in the middle of the road. Precisely where a motorbike wheels go.

You say your can't clean up after your horse, as Mary has said, you won't do it. Be brave in your conviction, tell me you can't be bothered cleaning up after your horse. Then I will say fair enough, which I have.

I thought we were going to agree to differ, but if you keep making comments, out of courtesy I will reply :)
 
Is there a law that states a rider must clear their horse's manure from the road?
 
Under the Litter (Animal Droppings) Order 1991 (S.I. 1991/961), dog fouling is specifically stated as an item of refuse to which the duty under section 89 of the Environmental Protection Act 1990 applies. It must therefore be removed from relevant land. Other types of animal droppings, such as horse manure, are not covered by this Order.

" However, in addition to the duty to keep land clear of litter and refuse, local authorities must also keep highways clean. In respect of this requirement, horse manure should be removed by local authorities as part of their street cleansing regime. Where there is a particular problem with horse manure local authorities are recommended to approach the local stables to see whether an alternative route for the horses could be used, or whether, to strengthen public relations, the stable could make arrangements for dealing with the droppings."
 
simon44 said:
I could take offence to that :)

I have been more than measured in my responses to you and your supporters. I said it's ok to crap on the side of the road, my issue is crapping in the middle of the road. Precisely where a motorbike wheels go.

You say your can't clean up after your horse, as Mary has said, you won't do it. Be brave in your conviction, tell me you can't be bothered cleaning up after your horse. Then I will say fair enough, which I have.

I thought we were going to agree to differ, but if you keep making comments, out of courtesy I will reply :)
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No, I've explained many times why it is not possible for a rider to pick it up You have ignored those and continue to say that they won't or can't be arsed. If you want to have a conversation then at least have the courtesy to acknowledge what other people say.
 
Forbiddenbiker said:
Firstly, as an experinaced horseman, wild to draft breaker, point to point get fit trainer, 6 horse harness user and some years trying to be a farrier, im sure if developed as such that scoop thing would be fine, and as comfortable as the rest of the stuff we've been shackling them too since 1000AD. get in!

And secondly, if I saw someone riding that, Id pee myself laughing. :lol: :eek: ...lets face it your (I would be) worring far more about how that looks than how comfortable it is right? ;)

Might be a good idea for dogs as well... ? ;)
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Fine for you to pee yourself laughing - perhaps a good idea for humans as well as dogs... ? ;)
 
fabs said:
No, I've explained many times why it is not possible for a rider to pick it up You have ignored those and continue to say that they won't or can't be arsed. If you want to have a conversation then at least have the courtesy to acknowledge what other people say.
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STOP PRESS - I think I have spotted the problem! You think that the meaning of 'cant' is what I understand as 'wont' - and vice versa.

This is the only possible explanation for the (apparently inconsiderate) attitude about not being abke to pick up after your steed!
 
Sounds like there is no law against it.

"Street clensing routine"? Sounds like city/town talk. None of that in the countryside.

Best to take the city head off when driving/riding out in the sticks. Think of horse manure as the countryside's equivalent of speed humps and drive/ride with this in mind.
 
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