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If the horse is in the middle then you'd see it just as easily as a tractor. And if you're serious about horses (and their riders) being killed then yes, very childish.
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If the horse is in the middle then you'd see it just as easily as a tractor. And if you're serious about horses (and their riders) being killed then yes, very childish.
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Well if he horses get hit, the riders are at just as much risk of being killed as the horses.
I do have a licence and, if the horse is out in the middle as you go round the bend, it is in the same position as the outside of a tractor so would be easier to see that if it was tucked in against the side.
BTW, my wife rides horses on the roads and has just said to me that the motorcyclists around here are always courteous and considerate when she comes across them and that includes on bends.
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So if you drive/ride sensibly then it shouldn't make a difference, you avoid a deer so what's the problem with a horse
Well you obviously aren't driving that fast if you have the time to make the decision, normal reflex for me is to avoid any collision, my only criteria is oncoming traffic
Oh and I'd rather meet a horse on the road then a horsebox with some of the idiots that drive them :bang::bang:
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fabs said:
I would be the first to slow way down and give the rider a wave..,on a serious note I like horses and take many pictures of my friends ones but I really can't understand why you can't see that on a right hand bend you would see the tractors left wheels before its right ones so if a horse was in the middle of the road and not on the left hand side tight in against the verge you wouldn't see it as quick , just a general question and I dont mean anything by it but Why on earth would you want to ride a horse on the very road you drive everyday? Would it not be much more fun to take it off road so to speak
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GPZXSPS..........the next b*****d that comes back from devils bridge, too fast on his GPZXS 2500-28zzrszxs whatever, and can`t handle the corner and drifts onto my side of the road in front of me, seriously, I ain`t taking avoiding action anymore.
Mini rant over............
zzrszxs Kawasaki GPZ was one cracker of a bike, the fun I had on my mates one
ZZR 1100 I owned three of these bikes, awesome bike for it's day, it held the speed crown till the blackbird came along
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I actually thought you were talking about a left hand bend, I would have thought a right hand bend would be easier as you can see around it from further back.
As for riding "off road", well there are bridle paths but how do you think horse riders get to those bridle paths? My wife has to ride a mile down the road in order to reach the nearest set of bridle paths, there isn't a network of paths connecting livery yards unfortunately.
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Ban motorbikes, problem solved..........
No that not the solution, otherwise that could be applied to everything. It's the user or owner that is the problem.
Goes back to the original post, I am a responsible user and owner. I try my best to give other road users courtesy, and I still pick my dogs poops up
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Stumac, so what if it had been a biker stopped or moving slowly on said bend for xyz reason? A bike isn't as wide as a horse so would be even less likely to have been seen given your reasoning. Would you then blame the biker for the accident???
As for the health side of things, if horse manure is considered a suitable mulch for vegetables etc, where gardeners use bare hands to put it in around their plants then it cant be that toxic! Obviously they would wash their hands after touching it, but doesnt rule out some residue being left under a fingernail for example. Horse manure is good for the environment unlike doo poo, so a bit of a bad comparison IMHO.
Do people expect riders to carry a spade and a bucket for every dump their horse does??! You MAY be able to carry something to put horse poo in but picking it up in the first place is a different matter, thin plastic poop bags just aint going to do the job.
As for riding on roads, well IMHO riding on bridleways is more enjoyable but as already been said, its getting to those ever decreasing bridleways thats the problem, and when you do eventually find one of the few remaining ones its full of moto x riders and quad bikers who have no respect for the way their equipment terrifies a horse!
As for the health side of things, if horse manure is considered a suitable mulch for vegetables etc, where gardeners use bare hands to put it in around their plants then it cant be that toxic! Obviously they would wash their hands after touching it, but doesnt rule out some residue being left under a fingernail for example. Horse manure is good for the environment unlike doo poo, so a bit of a bad comparison IMHO.
Do people expect riders to carry a spade and a bucket for every dump their horse does??! You MAY be able to carry something to put horse poo in but picking it up in the first place is a different matter, thin plastic poop bags just aint going to do the job.
As for riding on roads, well IMHO riding on bridleways is more enjoyable but as already been said, its getting to those ever decreasing bridleways thats the problem, and when you do eventually find one of the few remaining ones its full of moto x riders and quad bikers who have no respect for the way their equipment terrifies a horse!
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fracster said:Anticipation, some thing bikers tend not to do. Get one perfectly sane man, put him on a bike and the lobotomy starts therein.
I worked and lived in the countryside for years, you know, the place where the majority of bikers go to race around their private race track, except it isn`t private, they are public roads.If people want to ride their horses on them, then they are perfectly entitled to do so, wether all you Rossi wannebees like it or not. So live with it.
Here is another tip. Those big things with farm machinary attached to them ,you know, tractors, they drive over fields, come out of gateways and onto roads, mud falls off the tyres.Try a bit of observation as well. Could save another roadside shrine on the A682.
PS..........the next b*****d that comes back from devils bridge, too fast on his GPZXS 2500-28zzrszxs whatever, and can`t handle the corner and drifts onto my side of the road in front of me, seriously, I ain`t taking avoiding action anymore.
Mini rant over............
As someone who's ridden bikes for 40 years us, I couldnt agree more. Some bikers can't seem to find a helmet that fits unless they remove their brains. Going fast is easy, doing it safely is another matter.
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Thats a cracking image Ingrid, (looks like you have been practicing
)But also disgusting
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Its not toxic just the parasites ( worms and eggs) and bacteria that is living in it.
Apparently (and I am no gardener) the real fresh stuff burns vegetables etc.
well rotted is the way to go, or so I am realiably informed.
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Not you, I was referring to Adrian (Fracster) who clearly has a problem with and also a failing to understand motorcycles - both at the same time.
I don't have a problem with horses being on the road, I actually find it quite nice to see them. When I did ride I would coast past with my clutch held in so as to keep the noise down as the exhaust noise could scare them sometimes and they would often file in to the side as well - mutual respect.
There's a big difference between being able to see a horse on the road and being able to see some horse dung. But it happens so it's just a case of dealing with it I guess.
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I thought this was a discussion about animal owners being ignorant about the crap they leave around.
Your banging on about the 1000AD had little relevance the 1st time you mentioned it and has even less when it turns into a history lesson of the 1830s.
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Ah Thanks for the confirmation Mark
<makes note first time this year I have been correct >
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So your telling us all that tarmac was introduced for horses eh? Strange that race courses are not tarmac then!
The crux of the matter is that horse owners need to be as responsible about doo-doo as dog owners are expected to be. It is difficult to see why there is any issue with same.
Horse excrement along with that of all other such animals is fine by me - as long as its not in urban road/park areas. If folk dont want to pick up - then dont go onto the highways. Some of this 'crap' contributes to what is often designated as a fine 'country smell' - which is grand so long as it is in the country....
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you and others on this thread keep saying that horse owners need to be responsible and pick up after their horses but no one has come up with a feasible way of doing this that is good for both horse and rider. Just saying keep off the roads is a bit of a daft answer to that as horse riders cannot get onto the bridleways and footpaths without going onto the roads.
Well that nappy sounds a good option. The horse owners that are saying it's too uncomfortable for my horse, I'm wondering if they have even tried it.
Tell you what will make the nappy compulsory. Someone being killed due to losing control on horse crap, taking the DNA from said horse crap and then prosecuting the owner. Seems like that will be the only way to convince someone that what they are doing is irresponsible and antisocial.
Tell you what will make the nappy compulsory. Someone being killed due to losing control on horse crap, taking the DNA from said horse crap and then prosecuting the owner. Seems like that will be the only way to convince someone that what they are doing is irresponsible and antisocial.
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this is a horse nappy
How can anyone say that this would be comfortable for the horse?
It cannot be used whilst trotting, cantering or galloping.
This is because
1. The urine and excrement caught will splash over the belly of the horse.
2. Most of the urine and excrement will then end up on the floor anyway as it will spill out of the nappy.
3. The harness/straps will cause chaffing that would eventually lead to sores. (this would also happen on any hot day in summer.)
So in conclusion, if someone was to use one of these it could only be used whilst walking in cool weather if they successfully manage to get their horse to accept it, which would suit precisely none of the riders I know.
They also restrict the horses movement and change its gait
How can anyone say that this would be comfortable for the horse?
It cannot be used whilst trotting, cantering or galloping.
This is because
1. The urine and excrement caught will splash over the belly of the horse.
2. Most of the urine and excrement will then end up on the floor anyway as it will spill out of the nappy.
3. The harness/straps will cause chaffing that would eventually lead to sores. (this would also happen on any hot day in summer.)
So in conclusion, if someone was to use one of these it could only be used whilst walking in cool weather if they successfully manage to get their horse to accept it, which would suit precisely none of the riders I know.
They also restrict the horses movement and change its gait
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Money talks. If it becomes a valuable commodity then I'm sure a solution will be found
Here's an interesting page: http://www.stovesonline.co.uk/horse-manure-fuel.html
When the oil runs out we may all end up running about with wheelbarrows! haha
Here's an interesting page: http://www.stovesonline.co.uk/horse-manure-fuel.html
When the oil runs out we may all end up running about with wheelbarrows! haha
this is a horse nappy
How can anyone say that this would be comfortable for the horse?
It cannot be used whilst trotting, cantering or galloping.
This is because
1. The urine and excrement caught will splash over the belly of the horse.
2. Most of the urine and excrement will then end up on the floor anyway as it will spill out of the nappy.
3. The harness/straps will cause chaffing that would eventually lead to sores. (this would also happen on any hot day in summer.)
So in conclusion, if someone was to use one of these it could only be used whilst walking in cool weather if they successfully manage to get their horse to accept it, which would suit precisely none of the riders I know.
They also restrict the horses movement and change its gait
That will do the job.
I mean your'e only riding on the road to get to the bridleways. When you reach the bridleway take it off, so it's not on there all day.
Your not paying road tax which is fair enough, so why not make the effort to not crap on the road?
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so where do you put the soiled nappy when you reach the bridleway? remember it'll be full of poop and pee providing you havent trotted and splashed it all over your horses belly and back onto the road
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panther_87k said:
I have to admit - that's not elegant. Having said that - horses have had to get used of 'bits' in their mouths and 'saddles....
However, its not down to me to find a solution - I don't have a horse. Until someone comes up with a workable alternative - the riders have responsibility to clean up - or should employ a 'boy' to follow them who can do the needful with a shovel/barrow.....
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elegance is the least of the riders/horses worries with one of those (as i have listed)
do you think it fair to get a "boy" to follow a rider for 5 miles with a spade and barrow until they reach the bridleway? As i said before the number of bridleways is decreasing and some that are still around are unusable because they are not maintained and become overgrown (much like some footpaths in rural areas) so it can be a number of miles walking/trotting before you even reach a usable bridleway.
There were never very many complaints about dog mess up until someone designed a way to clear it up easily and without too much fuss, it was then those who didnt/still dont pick it up that complaints really began.
So until someone comes up with a properly viable way of cleaning up after a horse then there isnt much riders can do.
the current horse nappies are not a viable option and having someone follow behind on foot isnt viable either.
I don't know, don't care it's not my problem. My problem is I fell off of my motorbike due to horse crap, which as i said is like ice when you hit it.
Why keep putting up barriers? There is an item designed to do the job, you spend enough on vets, saddles and horse boxes. Why not a poo catcher? It's the same attitude as people letting their dogs crap on the footpath without cleaning it up. Same a littering and fly tipping.
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think about the size and weight of the item in question, then imagine it filled with horse muck (added weight) hardly suitable if the rider plans on going for a canter or gallop across the bridlepaths, balance is key when riding
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