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You 4 wheeled drivers would complain about mud, stones or diesel spills wouldn't you?
Please, give us a break will you! Horse manure is a full on hazard to us, as would be a mud covered corner to you lot.
Luckily where already looking out for leaves from a forest, manhole covers, white lines. tar lines, changing tarmac, flattened coke cans, and all the rest of the miscellaneous items tossed into our roads.. so we hopefully see the manure (as it appears from under a car we're following through the West End of London in the middle of another bend, whoah!) and can avoid it, or ride through with sliding, heart pounding, adjustment!

It is potentially lethal.

I quite like the smell though. ;)
 
simon44 said:
I think the people that write to papers about such things are a very special breeds of person, i.e. b****r all else to do.
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I know what you mean, but, why the bloody hell move to the countryside if you don't like it.
On a side note many years back when I was working at southampton uni, we had to collect horse poo from the forest for an the undergrads did, we were quite happily collecting it off the forest near Burley when a coach load of tourists arrived and one asked my boss what we were doing, to which he replied, "well you don't think it clears it self up. " I nearly wet myself, and all you could hear was the story of what we were doing being related to the whole coach. I still smile about it now.
 
simon44 said:
Yes. A tenuous point :)
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Not really.

The road structure in this country post 1066 was predominantly designed to cater for horse transport and livestock, which remained the case until about 1905-10.
The rebuild of the National road system in 1920 was the first government driven initiative to be focused on the combustion engine and it centered around surfacing.

So a group of road users who have been knocking about for less than 100 years want to boot horses off the roads that weren't really designed for speeds in excess of 10 mph?

Hmmmmmmm.
 
fabs said:
Could you elaborate on the circumstances?
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Well i could have ended up in the morgue if i ended up in a Cornish hedge, when i lost my front wheel on horse poo.

A few years ago a woman was killed when her pony and trap bolted.

As has been mentioned riding 2 abreast on the road is dangerous. There are plenty of narrow roads in Cornwall and plenty of blind bends. Go round one of these and see two 6 foot horses bearing down on you, then looking like the rider is steady neddy as the horse starts getting frisky. Before you say slow down. So every corner i come to I say to myself, careful there may be a horse round the other side of this bend.

I don't want to ban horses, I mean they have been on the roads since 1000AD, (like oxen) but a little responsibility would be very nice.
 
DemiLion said:
Not really.

The road structure in this country post 1066 was predominantly designed to cater for horse transport and livestock, which remained the case until about 1905-10.
The rebuild of the National road system in 1920 was the first government driven initiative to be focused on the combustion engine and it centered around surfacing.

So a group of road users who have been knocking about for less than 100 years want to boot horses off the roads that weren't really designed for speeds in excess of 10 mph?

Hmmmmmmm.
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Yep, what have the Romans done for us. :suspect:

A 100 years is a very long time. Look what has happen to transport etc etc. I hate banning anything (bar fox hunting and conservative clubs)

All that is needed is responsible riders please.
 
simon44 said:
Well i could have ended up in the morgue if i ended up in a Cornish hedge, when i lost my front wheel on horse poo.

A few years ago a woman was killed when her pony and trap bolted.

As has been mentioned riding 2 abreast on the road is dangerous. There are plenty of narrow roads in Cornwall and plenty of blind bends. Go round one of these and see two 6 foot horses bearing down on you, then looking like the rider is steady neddy as the horse starts getting frisky. Before you say slow down. So every corner i come to I say to by myself, careful there may be a horse round the other side of this bend.

I don't want to ban horses, I mean they have been on the roads since 1000AD, (like oxen) but a little responsibility would be very nice.
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Yes you should be thinking about possible hazards all the time. If you are going round bound bends not anticipating potential hazards or reading the road ahead then maybe you shouldn't be on the roads, this is what experience teaches you, surely if you now they a certain bend our junction is more hazardous than others you take extra care.

edit: sorry on my phone can't add smilies, I am playing devils advocate to a point.
 
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Forbiddenbiker said:
You 4 wheeled drivers would complain about mud, stones or diesel spills wouldn't you?
Please, give us a break will you! Horse manure is a full on hazard to us, as would be a mud covered corner to you lot.
Luckily where already looking out for leaves from a forest, manhole covers, white lines. tar lines, changing tarmac, flattened coke cans, and all the rest of the miscellaneous items tossed into our roads.. so we hopefully see the manure (as it appears from under a car we're following through the West End of London in the middle of another bend, whoah!) and can avoid it, or ride through with sliding, heart pounding, adjustment!

It is potentially lethal.

I quite like the smell though. ;)
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I want to give you a man hug. (not if you smell of poo) :)
 
Forbiddenbiker said:
For me the two abreast thing is about congestion because of the slow pace.
I cant see how complaining about two abreast horses being dangerous around a bend is any different to any other vehicle being around the bend...in fact horses are safer because they're probably not moving so quickly.
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I'm taking my hug back now! :)

So I'm going round a blind bend (one of many during my journey) and someone has put an american type fridge just past the apex and left it there. I would rather see that fridge, than 2 horses looking like they will jump on top of my car.

I have driven for 25+ years and have had one accident. (spilt a milkshake down my crotch)
 
:lol: How was I to know! ...anyway its mine now, I'm keeping it haha!

Ok I see where you coming from ..its more that they can go crazy than there actual presence, if its any consolation I do know horses like to be together, so we could ponder, a single horse can potentially scare into frency more easily than two, certainly statistically throughout our lives I'd guesstimate the long term damage to you or I from a pair of abreats horses is probably far less than the re-triggered lust we feel towards an american fridge, That want Inevitably combined with the food related goodies we'll eventually consume after buying such a monster is far the bigger worry. However, if they ever cross horses with dogs I'll be the first to write to my MP . :D
 
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I am frankly flummoxed by your comments. So much so I think you have won the argument. No need to write to your MP, your'e more than capable of fighting your own corner. :p
 
Forbiddenbiker said:
:D Been their done that. Although, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think all of those can also be found in soil, or on door handles or just about anywhere...
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Indeed, Adam. Salmonella (et al) can be found in various locations.
All I was saying was that horse crap is not as harmless as a lot of people think it is.
 
When i was a kid, my pet king charles took great pleasure in eating horse poo for some reason.

His breath was an issue.
 
Cobra said:
And plus of course, you know when horses are about to defecate, by their gait
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Could riders shut the gait before the horse has "bolted"? :)
 
A few years ago a friends dog became seriously ill after eating horse poo, vet said it was due to wormers used on the horse, all my dogs have learnt early that it's not something they do, living in the country it's a fact of life, as is being cautious round blind bends on cournty lanes !!!

Just be editing some pics I took this week and realised I've found the ultimate in dog poo bag disposal, the bloody grebe nest I'm watching :bang::bang: and there are loads of poo bins round the lake

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fabs said:
Could you elaborate on the circumstances?
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Yes , I was riding behind him and as we went round a right hand corner ( within the speed limit before anyone asks) we were faced with a horse and rider half way round the bend ... He tried to avoid the horse by swerving on the the other side of the road and was hit by an oncoming car
 
Davec223 said:
Yes you should be thinking about possible hazards all the time. If you are going round bound bends not anticipating potential hazards or reading the road ahead then maybe you shouldn't be on the roads, this is what experience teaches you, surely if you now they a certain bend our junction is more hazardous than others you take extra care.

edit: sorry on my phone can't add smilies, I am playing devils advocate to a point.
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Lol what would you like us bikers to do ...go round every corner at 1mph incase there is some nutter in the middle of the road leaving trails of ****** behind??
 
stumac said:
Yes , I was riding behind him and as we went round a right hand corner ( within the speed limit before anyone asks) we were faced with a horse and rider half way round the bend ... He tried to avoid the horse by swerving on the the other side of the road and was hit by an oncoming car
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So not the horse/rider's fault then.
 
fabs said:
So not the horse/rider's fault then.
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How do you work that out??? Horse and rider are in the middle of the road.. Causes biker to swerve and hit a car??? Yeah I suppose you could say The biker shouldn't have swerved but it's hardly his fault
Ohh and just to add the horse cantered on
 
stumac said:
How do you work that out??? Horse and rider are in the middle of the road.. Causes biker to swerve and hit a car??? Yeah I suppose you could say The biker shouldn't have swerved but it's hardly his fault
Ohh and just to add the horse cantered on
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The horse and rider are entitled to be there they have done nothing wrong so how can it be their fault. The biker should have gone round that bend at a speed that would have given him time to brake therefore not having to swerve.
 
fabs said:
The horse and rider are entitled to be there they have done nothing wrong so how can it be their fault. The biker should have gone round that bend at a speed that would have given him time to brake therefore not having to swerve.
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We would have to been doing about 10mph then ...if you had have came round in you car I would be sure you would have been faced with the same decision as the biker which was avoid or hit the horse .... I agree the horse is entitled to be there and that's my argument, they shouldn't be regardless of what the law says , just to make it clear the horse was in the middle of the road , if it had been at least near the edge he would have had more time to react
 
stumac said:
Regardless of your speed you are most likely coming off the bike as its going to be banked over in a corner
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I wouldn't bother trying to explain it to him, he's just sticking his condescending hooter in looking for a rise. If he had bothered reading a massive three posts on then he may have been enlightened. :shrug:
 
Pretty obvious many here don't live in the country, horses, deer, foxes, badgers etc are a way of life, you see them on the road all the time so drive accordingly.
My drive to work in the mornings is often what I can only describe as a rabbit slalom, buggers are everywhere :eek:
 
Gremlin said:
Pretty obvious many here don't live in the country, horses, deer, foxes, badgers etc are a way of life, you see them on the road all the time so drive accordingly.
My drive to work in the mornings is often what I can only describe as a rabbit slalom, buggers are everywhere :eek:
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Bit of a difference between a badger and a horse with someone on its back .. The latter should have common sense
 
Ban motorbikes, problem solved..........:thumbs:
 
fracster said:
Ban motorbikes, problem solved..........:thumbs:
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Yeah let the cars hit the horses= less horses on the road
 
stumac said:
Bit of a difference between a badger and a horse with someone on its back .. The latter should have common sense
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Still have to swerve to miss them so drive accordingly, deer are the worst BTW they just jump out even on a straight road :eek:
 
Anticipation, some thing bikers tend not to do. Get one perfectly sane man, put him on a bike and the lobotomy starts therein.

I worked and lived in the countryside for years, you know, the place where the majority of bikers go to race around their private race track, except it isn`t private, they are public roads.If people want to ride their horses on them, then they are perfectly entitled to do so, wether all you Rossi wannebees like it or not. So live with it.

Here is another tip. Those big things with farm machinary attached to them ,you know, tractors, they drive over fields, come out of gateways and onto roads, mud falls off the tyres.Try a bit of observation as well. Could save another roadside shrine on the A682.

PS..........the next b*****d that comes back from devils bridge, too fast on his GPZXS 2500-28zzrszxs whatever, and can`t handle the corner and drifts onto my side of the road in front of me, seriously, I ain`t taking avoiding action anymore.

Mini rant over............:)
 
Gremlin said:
Still have to swerve to miss them so drive accordingly, deer are the worst BTW they just jump out even on a straight road :eek:
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Yeah agreed because there is no rider on them to steer them in the right direction
I spend alot of time in Scotland on the bike and I'm convinced the Deers aim for you out there
 
rssmrry said:
Horses have no place on today's roads. Simple as that.
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I'd rather ban the bloody idiots that can't control their progress around blind corners.



Stumac, I'm sorry about your friend, but it was his own damned fault. The obstacle could have been anything.
If you can't come to a controlled stop following an unexpected hazard, then you are driving dangerously.
 
stumac said:
We would have to been doing about 10mph then ...if you had have came round in you car I would be sure you would have been faced with the same decision as the biker which was avoid or hit the horse .... I agree the horse is entitled to be there and that's my argument, they shouldn't be regardless of what the law says , just to make it clear the horse was in the middle of the road , if it had been at least near the edge he would have had more time to react
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So, if it had been a tractor round the bend? If I was in a car, I would have been driving round the bend at a speed which would have enabled me to stop in time and it would have been more than 10 miles an hour.

gman said:
I wouldn't bother trying to explain it to him, he's just sticking his condescending hooter in looking for a rise. If he had bothered reading a massive three posts on then he may have been enlightened. :shrug:
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I beg your pardon??????????

stumac said:
Yeah let the cars hit the horses= less horses on the road
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Childish comment.
 
Yep great, crawl everywhere and get nowhere fast. Be realistic, and I'm sorry but I've no intention of swerving all over the road to avoid hitting foxes and the like. I'll brake but not swerve to the other side of the road.

I don't get why people want to ride horses on roads. Surely it's better to ride them off road where you can just enjoy riding it rather than bringing traffic to a grinding halt and leaving slippy horse **** on the road?
 
fabs said:
I would have been driving round the bend at a speed which would have enabled me to stop in time and it would have been more than 10 miles an hour.
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Of course it would have been, you've got four wheels, more rubber on the road, also hitting the brake on a bike while steering isn't the thing to do. Also, you've probably got ABS so if you wanted to you could steer and brake at the same time!
 
fracster said:
Anticipation, some thing bikers tend not to do. Get one perfectly sane man, put him on a bike and the lobotomy starts therein.

I worked and lived in the countryside for years, you know, the place where the majority of bikers go to race around their private race track, except it isn`t private, they are public roads.If people want to ride their horses on them, then they are perfectly entitled to do so, wether all you Rossi wannebees like it or not. So live with it.

Here is another tip. Those big things with farm machinary attached to them ,you know, tractors, they drive over fields, come out of gateways and onto roads, mud falls off the tyres.Try a bit of observation as well. Could save another roadside shrine on the A682.

PS..........the next b*****d that comes back from devils bridge, too fast on his GPZXS 2500-28zzrszxs whatever, and can`t handle the corner and drifts onto my side of the road in front of me, seriously, I ain`t taking avoiding action anymore.

Mini rant over............:)
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Agreed theres " bellends" in cars, on bikes and on horses and I wish my friend had taken your aint taking avoiding action anymore attitude because then his 3 kids would have a dad now
 
fabs said:
So, if it had been a tractor round the bend? If I was in a car, I would have been driving round the bend at a speed which would have enabled me to stop in time and it would have been more than 10 miles an hour.

I beg your pardon??????????

Childish comment.
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Your really not getting it here.. You would have saw the tractor as its filling the lane , the horse rider was in the middle of the road and could not be seen until the very last minute .. And the childish comment , I was serious
 
I've yet to see a horse on a motorbike.

We can learn much from their wisdom.
 
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