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Its not carbon they eat its carbon dioxide.
2 different elements
Carbon (often abbreviated with the chemical symbol C) is the sixth most abundant element on Earth. ... Carbon dioxide or CO2 is the chemical compound of two oxygen atoms and one carbon atom, at room temperature it is gaseous and is a vital gas for life in the atmosphere since it plays a major role in photosynthesis
And it is excess carbon dioxide that causes global warming. Excess carbon dioxide that can be used to make fuel and whilst stored as fuel won't be in the atmosphere and thus reduce global warming ( climate change)
 
How efficient is the CO2 extraction for manufacturing hydrocarbon fuel(s) compared to using the same amount of electricity to charge BEVs?

Also, don't forget that while green plants do convert CO2 to energy and oxygen while it's light, they also create CO2 when it's dark...
 
So how does everyone with no other means of transport get to work? It isn't a case of I am alright Jack. That is just your narrow mindedness and lack of foresight.

Zoom, mostly. People who use Teams mostly have Teslas.
 
For alot of people private transport is more a means of getting to work rather than lifestyle. Lifestyle just becomes an added bonus. There is no public transport that would get me to work, a bike would take around 45 minutes, where as by car I can get there in 10 minutes.
My son has almost 50 mile commute to work, so a bike or electric scooter is definitely out of the question. I have many workmates that also have around 40 miles plus commute to work.

The commute to work is exactly what we have to find a way to change. Remote working or work local. The London commute was never such a big thing as people actually lived there.
I would estimate my average commute for the last 20 employed years was a daily 90 mile round trip. When I was a kid we never went that far on holiday.
I knew people in the same (telecoms) industry who did the same jobs, for different companies, crossing the Pennines in opposite directions every day.

Thats the sort of madness we have to stop.
 
Modern emission systems will remove anything that MAY exist.
Meanwhile you still 100% ignore the toxins that get into the water supply from mining the raw materials that are required to make the batteries for EV's.
They are already looking into digging up sea beds to mine more materials.
Surely it makes more sense to use the excess carbon we have already put in the air, rather than dig up large areas of sea bed and land and cause more problems.
Many points in one post, but only a small part of your post talks about your carbon capture fuel.

Modern emission system still allows a percentage of harmful emission through its filter. There is no 100% clean ICE.
Another question is cold engine. Why doesn’t the strict emission standard apply to combustion engines the moment it is turned on?
Your use of MAY sound like you are bringing emission standards into question, as though the following doesn’t exist:
  • HC+ NOx – 0.17 g/km
    NOx – 0.08 g/km
  • PM – 0.005 g/km
  • PM – 6.0x10 ^11/km

On EV, the articles I posted earlier does contain analysis of the environmental impacts of mining and battery production. The sea bed mining thing is one single research paper, not a scientific consensus.

Let’s not forget big oil have paid crooked scientists to bring doubt into climate change and made it into a debate and political issue. Currently over 90% world scientists have the consensus that climate change is man made.
 
they also create CO2 when it's dark...
Bloody things cut all the trees down ...
Oh wait a minute there are certain places on earth, that are giving it a damned good try :(
 
The commute to work is exactly what we have to find a way to change. Remote working or work local. The London commute was never such a big thing as people actually lived there.
I would estimate my average commute for the last 20 employed years was a daily 90 mile round trip. When I was a kid we never went that far on holiday.
I knew people in the same (telecoms) industry who did the same jobs, for different companies, crossing the Pennines in opposite directions every day.

Thats the sort of madness we have to stop.

I think that one of the bi-products of the Covid crisis will be that remote working will become more common. I worked from home 2 days a week before Covid so it's something I'm set up for and the only time I've gone into the office (20 miles away) since was a couple of weeks ago and that was only for a couple of hours to collect a new laptop. My line manager hasn't been there at all since March. I think many employers will also realise that they could save a fortune in office space.

Of course, this isn't a solution for many people for whom working from hope isn't an option but it would be interesting to find out the ration of office workers compared to manufacturing, retail etc.
 
Let's look at the battery sea bed mining news in detail: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-49759626
Why would anyone bother?
The short answer: demand. The rocks of the seabed are far richer in valuable metals than those on land and there's a growing clamour to get at them.
Billions of potato-sized rocks known as "nodules" litter the abyssal plains of the Pacific and other oceans and many are brimming with cobalt, suddenly highly sought after as the boom in the production of batteries gathers pace.
At the moment, most of the world's cobalt is mined in the Democratic Republic of Congo where for years there've been allegations of child labour, environmental damage and widespread corruption.
Expanding production there is not straightforward which is leading mining companies to weigh the potential advantages of cobalt on the seabed.

So, let's see how much of a long range EV consist of cobalt? 5% (https://www.mining.com/tesla-battery-day-a-possible-blow-to-cobalt-miners/)

Many battery manufacturers are reducing and removing cobalt in their batteries:

EV, volume production being around 10 years old, is able to reach this level of supply chain ethics is already very impressive. Let's consider the current status quo:



Come back to me when engine development, fault diagnosis, servicing, repairs can be carried out via Zoom. Not everyone has an office job.
 
ICE development is hardly relevant - with the sale of new vehicles being stopped in 10 years or so.
 
Another question is cold engine. Why doesn’t the strict emission standard apply to combustion engines the moment it is turned on?
Cold engine is included in the emissions standard, because since WLTP came into force, the measurements are taken during the whole drive cycle from when the engine is started, to when it is switched off again. Measurements are also carried out in subzero temperatures with coolant and oil temperatures maintained at much lower than normal running temperatures.
 
I am currently diagnosing a problem on a customers engine. The dealership has done as much as they could by hooking it up to a computer, but without further equipment being added to the engine, a full diagnosis and tests can not be carried out. As this requires physical interaction, remote interaction is useless and pointless.
People have to physically go to work to carry out some tasks.
We think we have diagnosed the problem and no amount of remote fault finding would have found the cause nor fixed it.
 
ICE development is hardly relevant - with the sale of new vehicles being stopped in 10 years or so.
It has the potential for another 14 years. Plus further developments can be retro fitted to already existing engines. Engine development doesn't stop the second an engine is launched to the market, testing and developing continues. It has to be tested for every single vehicle that it is installed in. Each vehicle has a different exhaust, different inlet system, and ancilliaries. That means a different engine calibration for each vehicle, Each and every installation set up has to be homologated.
So regardless of how many years it has left it is all relevant.
 
The commute to work is exactly what we have to find a way to change. Remote working or work local.
In my case I do work what I would call locally. I live approximately 8 miles from work. The journey without slow traffic is less than 10 minutes in each direction. But there is no public transport that would get me there. Where I worked before I was relocated was about 8 miles in another direction, but meant a combination of buses and train to get there. That would take over an hour each way, or around 25 minutes by car. Neither my old job or current job can be done by remote, I have to physically be there.
My eldest son is a lorry driver, another job that can't be done by remote. He has bought a house with his girlfriend. The fact that his girlfriend doesn't drive and the prices of houses meant that my son had to move further away from his work, fortunately they live within walking distance of where his girlfriend works. My son would love a job closer to home, but there are no suitable jobs closer and certainly none that pay well enough to cover the mortgage and bills should his girlfriend lose her job or give up work so they can start a family.
 
I think that one of the bi-products of the Covid crisis will be that remote working will become more common. I worked from home 2 days a week before Covid so it's something I'm set up for and the only time I've gone into the office (20 miles away) since was a couple of weeks ago and that was only for a couple of hours to collect a new laptop. My line manager hasn't been there at all since March. I think many employers will also realise that they could save a fortune in office space.

Of course, this isn't a solution for many people for whom working from hope isn't an option but it would be interesting to find out the ration of office workers compared to manufacturing, retail etc.
With our staff working from home, the decision has been made that when things start returning to some normality, they will only be required to be at work two days a week. But to ensure social distancing is maintained, they won't all be working the same days. They will keep their own desks, to prevent cross contamination from sharing. Cost of office space isn't a problem when they own the building.
It's estimated that only 40% of the office workforce will be on site at a time.
 
With our staff working from home, the decision has been made that when things start returning to some normality, they will only be required to be at work two days a week. But to ensure social distancing is
maintained, they won't all be working the same days. They will keep their own desks, to prevent cross contamination from sharing.

I can see myself going into the office once a week at most after this is over
and my colleagues not much more.
Cost of office space isn't a problem when they own the building.

But many companies rent their office space.
 
Cold engine is included in the emissions standard, because since WLTP came into force, the measurements are taken during the whole drive cycle from when the engine is started, to when it is switched off again. Measurements are also carried out in subzero temperatures with coolant and oil temperatures maintained at much lower than normal running temperatures.
Why does ICE cars stink so much when the engine is cold?
 
Come back to me when engine development, fault diagnosis, servicing, repairs can be carried out via Zoom. Not everyone has an office job.

Soon nobody will.

And as we're finding out, what you might call ancillary services (sandwich shops, dry cleaners, suit manufacturers, wine bars etc) are all taking a massive hit. Not all of them will survive. Maybe not many.

And then we'll see the next wave of economic shift. Train companies, Travelodge, airlines, posh restaurants and yeah, car servicing. I'm sure you'll know better than I why Tesla's remote fault finding and diagnostics aren't that great but since a lot of servicing seems to involve plugging a car into a computer, I can't see why the wire needs to be 6 feet long - as opposed to in the same time zone. Sure people will need to take their cars places to get them fixed - but less and less as mileage decreases dramatically.

Not everybody has an office job. But a surprising number of industries rely on those that do.
 
With our staff working from home, the decision has been made that when things start returning to some normality, they will only be required to be at work two days a week. But to ensure social distancing is maintained, they won't all be working the same days. They will keep their own desks, to prevent cross contamination from sharing. Cost of office space isn't a problem when they own the building.
It's estimated that only 40% of the office workforce will be on site at a time.

The cost of office space is horrendous, wether you own the building or not. Rates, insurance, heating, security. H&S up keep. Tech infrastructure, etc etc.
 
I am currently diagnosing a problem on a customers engine. The dealership has done as much as they could by hooking it up to a computer, but without further equipment being added to the engine, a full diagnosis and tests can not be carried out. As this requires physical interaction, remote interaction is useless and pointless.
People have to physically go to work to carry out some tasks.
We think we have diagnosed the problem and no amount of remote fault finding would have found the cause nor fixed it.
All diagnostic computers have their limitations. I had a Land Rover Discovery that had an air suspension fault; the dealer tried to fix it using their diagnostic computer. They replaced a compressor after the diagnostics said it was running too long. When I reported they had not fixed the problem I suggested they stick it on a hoist and listen...... one of the airbags had a leak, you could hear it if you got close enough.
 
Soon nobody will.

And as we're finding out, what you might call ancillary services (sandwich shops, dry cleaners, suit manufacturers, wine bars etc) are all taking a massive hit. Not all of them will survive. Maybe not many.

And then we'll see the next wave of economic shift. Train companies, Travelodge, airlines, posh restaurants and yeah, car servicing. I'm sure you'll know better than I why Tesla's remote fault finding and diagnostics aren't that great but since a lot of servicing seems to involve plugging a car into a computer, I can't see why the wire needs to be 6 feet long - as opposed to in the same time zone. Sure people will need to take their cars places to get them fixed - but less and less as mileage decreases dramatically.

Not everybody has an office job. But a surprising number of industries rely on those that do.
There is nothing during a car service that requires plugging in a computer. That would only happen if there is a software update to improve something or cure a problem that has occurred in other cars and to ensure it doesn't happen in all the cars.
Everything else about a car service requires someone physically working on the vehicle.
Since you mention Tesla, I will point out an over the air update they made on all Tesla Model S. Last year I think it was a Tesla Model S burst into flames whilst it was parked in a car park. Something had gone wrong with the battery cooling system, the battery overheated and caught fire. Tesla didn't even put out a recall on all Model S cars to check if any other cars were showing signs of similar cooling system failures or damage. They just sent out an over the air software upgrade that reduced the amount the batteries could recharge to prevent the chances of it overheating. As a result the range of the cars is now reduced. If there are any other cars out there with a battery cooling system starting to fail, how do they know that the new level of charge still won't overheat the damaged system. Tesla should have replaced the batteries on every single Model S, just as BMW and Ford are doing on their PHEVs.
Thinking you can do everything remotely just by rolling out a software update is no more than a sticking plaster and potentially dangerous.
 
They don't. Only cars poorly serviced or with a problem stink.
In winter, you can definitely notice much worse smell from ICE vehicles. Try standing near any busy slow moving traffic.

To my mind, this says the burn is different as temperature changes. Which means different emissions.

Tesla should have replaced the batteries on every single Model S, just as BMW and Ford are doing on their PHEVs.
That’s a big claim without knowing all the technical details.

There is a difference between software updates and remote diagnostic. You seems to have them mixed up.
 
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The cost of office space is horrendous, wether you own the building or not. Rates, insurance, heating, security. H&S up keep. Tech infrastructure, etc etc.
All that is included with the rest of the estate. I would say each of our dyno cells are much more expensive at a running cost of £2k each per day. I believe we have around 50 operational at the moment and another 3 being built.
 
In winter, you can definitely notice much worse smell from ICE vehicles. Try standing near any busy slow moving traffic.

To my mind, this says the burn is different as temperature changes. Which means different emissions.


That’s a big claim without knowing all the technical details.

There is a difference between software updates and remote diagnostic. You seems to have them mixed up.
It isn't a big claim at all, at the time it happened and mentioned in the other thread, we had this same discussion. It is standard practice when ever there is a problem that needs to be fixed. You recall the vehicles and fix them properly. Every component that is swapped out in that recall then goes back to the manufacturer for inspection.
No I haven't got software updates and remote diagnostics mixed up. I am well aware of the differences.

In winter when it is cold, you will notice lots of things smell more. Things that have nothing to do with cars. It is just your sensory perception working better.
 
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It isn't a big claim at all, at the time it happened and mentioned in the other thread, we had this same discussion. It is standard practice when ever there is a problem that needs to be fixed. You recall the vehicles and fix them properly. Every component that is swapped out in that recall then goes back to the manufacturer for inspection.
No I haven't got software updates and remote diagnostics mixed up. I am well aware of the differences.

In winter when it is cold, you will notice lots of things smell more. Things that have nothing to do with cars. It is just your sensory perception working better.

And the fact that the catalytic converter does not work efficiently until up to temp.
 
All that is included with the rest of the estate. I would say each of our dyno cells are much more expensive at a running cost of £2k each per day. I believe we have around 50 operational at the moment and another 3 being built.

That makes no sense whatsoever.
 
It isn't a big claim at all, at the time it happened and mentioned in the other thread, we had this same discussion. It is standard practice when ever there is a problem that needs to be fixed. You recall the vehicles and fix them properly.
The underlined statement is only true for machines that isn’t driven by computers. Anything computer controlled have possibility of being fixed by software tweak.

In tech industry, software/firmware update and remote diagnostic to fix problems are very common.

Just because something is standard practice in your industry, doesn’t mean you know all the facts to pass a judgement on a different product in a slightly different industry. It was your opinion that was required, but you may not be correct.
 
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What doesn't make sense?
What is included in the estate?
I thought you owned the premises? Much more expensive than what?
I have no idea what your post means.
 
LED one provided the light output is equal.

My concerns are really about the shortsighted nature of how things are done. Unless the batteries are 100% recyclable and all precious metals are recoverable, mining for a finite resource is no different to relying on fossil fuels.

Unless your priority is to avert climate change, while mining is environmentally damaging in other ways. EV's produce massively less greenhouse gases throughout their lifetime, even factoring in production and them being powered by a fossil fuel powered power station.
 
And the fact that the catalytic converter does not work efficiently until up to temp.
Modern cars now have GPF's and DPF's after the catalytic converters that will help filter out most emissions, they don't have to warm up. Plus catalytic converters take very little time to heat up. Exhaust gasses don't get hotter as an engine warms up, they only get hotter as you increase engine speed and load.
Catalytic converters work from 150°C exhaust gases on start up/ idle are around 450°C. The brick in the cat will heat up straight away, even the exhaust gases after the catalytic converter are still above the 150°C. It will only be oider cars with less efficient catalytic converters that are underneath the car and further away from the engine, that will take longer to warm up.
 
The underlined statement is only true for machines that isn’t driven by computers. Anything computer controlled have possibility of being fixed by software tweak.

In tech industry, software/firmware update and remote diagnostic to fix problems are very common.

Just because something is standard practice in your industry, doesn’t mean you know all the facts to pass a judgement on a different product in a slightly different industry. It was your opinion that was required, but you may not be correct.
Computer systems are vulnerable to cabling/interface issues that require physical intervention. Computers can suffer from environmental issues, memory faults & they break from time to time too. I seem to recall Tesla having issues with eMMC NAND flash memory devices recently?
 
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