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Today the government is given the go ahead to deport this undesirable back to Jordan and the human rights brigade jump on it again, supposedly there concerned for his human rights and are now appealing to the European court,this infuriates me like you couldn't imagine, what planet are these bloody idiots on, the security service's have enough on there plate without worrying about more terrorists walking our streets, these people have just got no concept of the real world :bang:
 
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My stance (as a human rights brigade terrorist cuddler) is that if there is evidence against him then he should be prosecuted.

I also wonder if the media reporting is because there is no evidence?
 
My 2 pence worth -


Bye Bye, Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.:wave::wave:

As for the Hippy Brigade, maybe we should see how they feel when one of their loved one's is injured or murdered by these people. I doubt they'd be so quick to stand up for them then:thinking:
 
Who are 'these people'?
 
Good riddance to bad rubbish.I am amazed that we allow people like him to stay so long.:cuckoo:
Pete.
 
Yeah send him somewhere where we can't monitor him and who is in contact with, that will make us all much safer :thinking:
 
Human rights apply to everyone. That's why they're called 'human' rights.

However, in this case I do think it is right for him to be deported. He should face penalties for his actions. I think it's terrible that he's very likely to get tortured, but in the end that's the decision of the Government doing it.

That country is one of a number with which the UK has signed a memorandum which ministers say will ensure that any deported terrorism suspects will not face torture or ill-treatment on return.
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That's bull. If they can do it without the public knowing, they will. Same for any Government.

"He seemed very private, but always said hello in the street," one said. "We didn't think that Mr Abu Qatada was a radical."
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This ignorant individual needs to look up 'radical' in the dictionary.
 
Has he not been deported to Jordan because he has been found guilty of terrorism there? If that is the case then we should hopefully know where he is for quite a while (unless the sentence is more severe, then we needn't worry at all).

Andy
 
cant understand how his stance on other humans (a disregard for others if reports are true) make other people want to protect him.

i understand that free speak, and protection of civil liberties are vital but for those that want to tear holes in peoples lives through terrorism then surely they forefit these rights
 
schrismonkey said:
cant understand how his stance on other humans (a disregard for others if reports are true) make other people want to protect him.

i understand that free speak, and protection of civil liberties are vital but for those that want to tear holes in peoples lives through terrorism then surely they forefit these rights
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Violence in retaliation to violence is still violence...It should still be avoided if at all possible.
 
Jimmy_Lemon said:
Yeah send him somewhere where we can't monitor him and who is in contact with, that will make us all much safer :thinking:
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I dont think hes going to need much monitoring where hes going.:bat:
Pete.
 
Rob_W said:
What violence?, they're only trying to deport the asshole out the country
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In the full knowledge that his treatment where he's being sent will be harsh to say the least. It's the worst kind of hypocrisy, if he deserves punishment then punish him, don't pass the buck while hiding behind agreements that we know will not be adhered to. We are supposed to be better than them remember!

I fully agree that the guy needs to be deported but there are places he could be sent that would take him without endangering his life.
 
Rob_W said:
What violence?, they're only trying to deport the asshole out the country
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Yes, good point. I was making a more general point about how we treat criminals and terrorists. In this case I do think he should be deported, although I would prefer to see our Government going to more effort to ensure he doesn't face mistreatment after he is deported to Jordan.
 
In a country that supports terrorism he'd be just one more voice in the wind and not a very loud one at that. Sending him to his death is the same as killing him ourselves, make him a martyr to his cause and you're doing far more damage to our cause than letting him just fade away.
 
Rob_W said:
Now where's the hypocrisy?, the only places he could go are the ones that support terrorism.

You cant reason with people like him, they only understand one thing...
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I think you're making some quite large assumptions there. What do you know about him?
 
Ewan said:
Human rights apply to everyone. That's why they're called 'human' rights.
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Except that if you are a murderer or terrorist you have far greater rights than your victims - look at the fiasco in NI just now, there are families of IRA terrorists who were shot by the army/RUC who are claiming compensation which was set aside for the victims of their bombings and shootings.

Prisoners in UK jail have been paid compensation because they were forced to slop out or because they weren't allowed to continue to take drugs in jail.

If you commit a serious crime (such as murder or rape) you should automatically forfeit any protection under the Human Rights Act -you have deprived another of their basic human rights, why should the aggressor have greater rights than his victim?
 
Not bothered about his human rights or where he's going, just want him dead.
 
He's quick enough to preach about killing innocent people, yet when it's turned around and he's the one facing danger he changes his views and all of a sudden he's all for human rights. This government is far too soft, he should have been kicked out ages ago.
 
Steep said:
In a country that supports terrorism he'd be just one more voice in the wind and not a very loud one at that. Sending him to his death is the same as killing him ourselves, make him a martyr to his cause and you're doing far more damage to our cause than letting him just fade away.
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Yeah but Bin Laden was once 'just one more voice in the wind' wasnt he ?
 
Flash In The Pan said:
Except that if you are a murderer or terrorist you have far greater rights than your victims - look at the fiasco in NI just now, there are families of IRA terrorists who were shot by the army/RUC who are claiming compensation which was set aside for the victims of their bombings and shootings.

Prisoners in UK jail have been paid compensation because they were forced to slop out or because they weren't allowed to continue to take drugs in jail.
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I don't think that should happen.

Flash In The Pan said:
If you commit a serious crime (such as murder or rape) you should automatically forfeit any protection under the Human Rights Act -you have deprived another of their basic human rights, why should the aggressor have greater rights than his victim?
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You're talking like people are allowed to get away with murder and rape. They're not, they face many years in prison. Criminals are meant to face penalties and ideally be reformed and turned into better people, it's not about revenge.
 
Ewan said:
You're talking like people are allowed to get away with murder and rape. They're not, they face many years in prison. Criminals are meant to face penalties and ideally be reformed and turned into better people, it's not about revenge.
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People are allowed to get away with murder and rape, they just have better lawyers
 
The 45-year-old father-of-five arrived in the UK in September 1993 on a forged United Arab Emirates passport.
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that alone should have been enough to send him home...
 
Ewan said:
I don't think that should happen.



You're talking like people are allowed to get away with murder and rape. They're not, they face many years in prison. Criminals are meant to face penalties and ideally be reformed and turned into better people, it's not about revenge.
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You've missed my point. These people get locked up for their crimes, but then they get handed thousands of pounds in compensation because they have to **** in a bucket, or because they can't continue taking illegal drugs. I'd wager that the person they've murdered would gladly swap places with them.

Like I said, deprive someone of their human rights and you should automatically lose yours. There's nothing unfair about that, it's not "revenge", it's a "penalty" and a fairly minor one where rape or murder is concerned.
 
sportysnaps said:
The 45-year-old father-of-five arrived in the UK in September 1993 on a forged United Arab Emirates passport.
that alone should have been enough to send him home...
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Yep
He should have been turned around PDQ before the bleeding hearts got on his case to save him from himself and us!

Isn't he the scrote
with several kids, a far bigger house that most of us ever hope to own
and all paid for by us?

Yep I was right
 
Cobra said:
Isn't he the scrote
with several kids, a far bigger house that most of us ever hope to own
and all paid for by us?
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Yep and he's just been awarded £2500 for breach of his human rights, i'm convinced this country must be the laughing stock of the world :shake:
 
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Cobra said:
Yep
He should have been turned around PDQ before the bleeding hearts got on his case to save him from himself and us!

Isn't he the scrote
with several kids, a far bigger house that most of us ever hope to own
and all paid for by us?

Yep I was right
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:cuckoo: Ridiculous. But then why didn't they give him a trial, find him guilty (I'm assuming he is!), and then sentance him? This detaining people without charge thing is screwed up, as are most of our 'anti-terror' laws...

They've used the war on terror to harrass innocent photographers and journalists, yet when they actually have a real terrorist in custody they can't sentance him and end up giving him thousands of pounds in benefits instead :bang:
 
Ewan said:
I think you're making some quite large assumptions there. What do you know about him?
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"The 45-year-old father-of-five arrived in the UK in September 1993 on a forged United Arab Emirates passport. "
that alone should have been enough to send him home...

Nothing to with region terrorism or human rights - just a simple crook
 
sportysnaps said:
"The 45-year-old father-of-five arrived in the UK in September 1993 on a forged United Arab Emirates passport. "
that alone should have been enough to send him home...

Nothing to with region terrorism or human rights - just a simple crook
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But you said you can't reason 'with people like him'. Surely you don't think anyone who breaks the law is beyond reason?
 
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