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I believe HTML 5 has vastly reduced the user experience of the websites that use this supposedly improved technology. All those popups overlays and auto playing videos ensures that web pages load slower than they did 10 years ago.
How many times have we been peed off searching the entire surface of our 27" monitor looking for that 3mm cross to close that dam overlay that some dummy developer thought was a good idea. Which crummy coder thought that subjecting viewers of websites to auto playing videos would increase user experience, these guy never test or use the monstrosity that they have coded. Why on gods earth were these punk programmers allowed to bring popups back from the 1990's. Popups were annoying then and still are now.

The only good thing to come out of HTML 5 and it's popups, overlays and auto play is it forced me to learn the hot key Ctrl + W
 
Nothing wrong with the technology, only the people that use it.

I agree that popups and auto playing music and videos is annoying but so are text messages and spam emails.
 
Nothing to do with html5, floating div will do the same.

Boils my pee though, it's been a massive no no for years now not to use popups but somehow these overlays have become the norm.
 
you need to blame adblockers making the advertisers more desperate, not html5
 
frod said:
you need to blame adblockers making the advertisers more desperate, not html5
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Many of the popups are boxes that want the end user to enter their email address so ad blockers cannot be blamed for those popups.
The web developers who use these annoyances forget that their content is not unique people can find the same info, same service on other website.
I am my own ad blocker I can now close a browser tab in less than a second after a popup or overlay appears.
 
That's the problem, the content is available anywhere so for your site to make any money it has to generate an asset which is usually a database of email addresses called "customers" which you can either use to sell on (naughty but common) or push more advertising through. Unfortunately these popups have been proven to either generate repeat marketable traffic or enough users are happy enough to hand over contact information that it's worth annoying those with more common sense.

Same reason scam emails and Facebook competitions are usually so badly written, if you recognise it clearly looks like a scam you are not the target market because you might fall for it initially if it was well written then figure it out halfway through.
 
This is why I generally disable JavaScript using NoScript. Although some sites just don't work, majority of browing experience is better.
Also teaches me to avoid sites trying to run scripts for a dozen different user tracking/ad companies.
 
afasoas said:
This is why I generally disable JavaScript using NoScript. Although some sites just don't work, majority of browing experience is better.
Also teaches me to avoid sites trying to run scripts for a dozen different user tracking/ad companies.
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I just use Ublock Origin which seems to block a great many ads.

A good thing is that you can easily disable it for any site you want (such as this one).

On some sites, such as news sites it can sometimes block over 100 ads and trackers!

And all of these slow down my browsing and cost me money, since I am on a capped ISP.
 
afasoas said:
This is why I generally disable JavaScript using NoScript. Although some sites just don't work, majority of browing experience is better.
Also teaches me to avoid sites trying to run scripts for a dozen different user tracking/ad companies.
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Nod. Exactly what I do. The list of blocked sites on some pages can be huge.
 
There is a new update on its way from google to block this very activity and punish and downrank websites that use all these types of pop ups whether ads or pop up forms for email submission .. google do not like a slow user experience
 
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afasoas said:
This is why I generally disable JavaScript using NoScript. Although some sites just don't work, majority of browing experience is better.
Also teaches me to avoid sites trying to run scripts for a dozen different user tracking/ad companies.
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I can't see how you can browse modern websites without JavaScript enabled. It's an important part of pretty much any website these days.

Menus are JavaScript driven,
Ajax loads data without having to reload entire pages.
Image galleries are JS driven.

you're better off installing an adblocker because by disabling JS you're just biting your nose off to spite your face.
 
ecoleman said:
you're better off installing an adblocker
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Right… and I did just that, which proved to be a better idea.
This site, for one, is add free since some time already.
 
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ecoleman said:
I can't see how you can browse modern websites without JavaScript enabled. It's an important part of pretty much any website these days.

Menus are JavaScript driven,
Ajax loads data without having to reload entire pages.
Image galleries are JS driven.

you're better off installing an adblocker because by disabling JS you're just biting your nose off to spite your face.
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noscript allows you to selectively enable it on a site by site basis. This allows menus etc to work, but not stuff bought in from outside - ads are rarely hosted by the site that the advert appears on.

May take a few seconds to make the site usable once you arrive, but once that is done it's normally fine. The biggest problem I've had with it is the credit card processors for online payments which sometime pop up a "verified by visa" box in the middle of a transaction, which is drawn from a completely new site with a ton of scripting. Enabling that site typically forces a reload of the partially completed checkout page and that then breaks the whole transaction.

I now do my online shopping in a browser which is configured to allow scripting for this reason.
 
The trouble with ad blockers these days is sites that recognise you're using one and block content until you disable it. I hate it with a passion, and will generally avoid such sites.
 
It seems a bit unfair to blame a programming language for the way it's sometimes exploited by marketers and web developers who don't care about annoying people.

That's like blaming printing ink for Katie Hopkins' dumb, racist, attention-seeking newspaper articles.
 
onomatopoeia said:
noscript allows you to selectively enable it on a site by site basis. This allows menus etc to work, but not stuff bought in from outside - ads are rarely hosted by the site that the advert appears on.

May take a few seconds to make the site usable once you arrive, but once that is done it's normally fine. The biggest problem I've had with it is the credit card processors for online payments which sometime pop up a "verified by visa" box in the middle of a transaction, which is drawn from a completely new site with a ton of scripting. Enabling that site typically forces a reload of the partially completed checkout page and that then breaks the whole transaction.

I now do my online shopping in a browser which is configured to allow scripting for this reason.
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Pretty much this.
Using an ad blocker might block the adds, but it doesn't stop the myriad of tracking scripts that run, slowing pages down.
Many browser exploits and cross site scripting attacks rely on java script too.
 
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