How many actuations is too many on a 1DSmk1

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Still looking at second hand gear and I'm just wondering about a 1DSmk1 - the price is okay but it has 93k actuations - Does anyone know what the warranted number was on the mk1

I wouldnt want to buy it and have it go pop after 7thou shots or summat
 
The question is, what makes you think it's 93K?
 
admirable said:
The question is, what makes you think it's 93K?
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The fact that a reputable retailer says so - and you can read the actuations these days with software like 1Dcount.

so no, actually the question is what I asked - how many actuations did canon say the shutter was good for (and I realise it was an estimate - they said the 300D was good for less than 25 thou and mine has done nearly twice that)
 
I can't seem to find a spec for it on 'tinternet

But here's the page for the 1Ds from a database of shutter failures (Since this is data voluntarily submitted by people claiming to be users, you've gotta take it with quite a large pinch of salt (for example, there is one guy claiming his D90's shutter lasted 8 million clicks))
http://www.olegkikin.com/shutterlife/canon_eos1ds.htm
Average death is 147,000 actuations, so that's as good a rating as you'll get since there doesn't appear to be anything official.
 
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squishy said:
I can't seem to find a spec for it on 'tinternet

But here's the page for the 1Ds from a database of shutter failures (Since this is data voluntarily submitted by people claiming to be users, you've gotta take it with quite a large pinch of salt (for example, there is one guy claiming his D90's shutter lasted 8 million clicks))
http://www.olegkikin.com/shutterlife/canon_eos1ds.htm
Average death is 147,000 actuations, so that's as good a rating as you'll get since there doesn't appear to be anything official.
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cheers squishy - so the one in question has approx 54k or so to go - thats about 90 shooting days, I think I'll pass

though i suppose the other question is what does a shutter cost to replace if it does go pop ?
 
Well it could go the first time you press the shutter or it could go after 100,000 more

It's such an old model now I wouldn't think you'll get one with many less than that
 
b****r, I shouldn't have looked at that site, my 1DII is on borrowed time it'd seem.
 
squishy said:
Well it could go the first time you press the shutter or it could go after 100,000 more

It's such an old model now I wouldn't think you'll get one with many less than that
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I dunno - I looked at a 1d mk1 that only had 11 thou and change - seriously tempted by that , but in then decided that 4mp just wouldnt cut it.

I'd love a mk2 or 3 1DS or 1D but they are out of budget unless they've a shed load of activations
 
manualfocus-g said:
54k shots is still a huge number unless you are a full time pro I guess. You realise the 20D has an expected shutter life of just 50,000 shots?
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I'm not a full time pro but on a full shooting day I'd probably run through about 600 shots so 54/600 gives 90 shooting days - which is probably a year or two if i'm lucky.

mind you my 300D has done about 50k and my 20D must be nearly at the 100k mark

I dunno - I might go look at it ( Ive also got my eye on a 1Dmk 1 with very low activations - but i'm not convinced 4mp will be enough wheras 11 odd MP probably is )

Course I could just risk the wrath of swimbo and whack a 7D or 5Dmk2 on the drastic plastic :lol: but divorce is expensive I hear....
 
Canon USA released a shutter life chart recently, the 1 series seem to be a minimum of 200 000 actuations.

Canon EOS Rebel T3i / 600D ???,???
Canon EOS Rebel T2i / 550D ???,???
Canon EOS Rebel T1i / 500D 100,000
Canon EOS Rebel T3 / 1100D ???,???
Canon EOS Rebel XSi / 450D 100,000
Canon EOS Rebel XS / 1000D 100,000
Canon EOS Rebel XTi / 400D 50,000
Canon EOS Rebel XT / 350D 50,000
Canon EOS 60D 100,000
Canon EOS 50D 100,000
Canon EOS 40D 100,000
Canon EOS 30D 100,000
Canon EOS 20D 50,000
Canon EOS 7D 150,000
Canon EOS 5D Mark II 150,000
Canon EOS 5D 100,000
Canon EOS 1D Mark IV 300,000
Canon EOS 1D Mark III 300,000
Canon EOS 1D Mark II N 200,000
Canon EOS 1DS Mark III 300,000
Canon EOS 1DS Mark II 200,000
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Found at http://www.the-digital-picture.com/
 
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Well 1dIIn life quoted there is anything to go by there should still be some life in the old girl yet.

Bit worried about my 5D too now but I guess it's not got a miassively high fps rate so not gonna have been getting machined gunned away like the 1D will have been.
 
fixedimage said:
Well 1dIIn life quoted there is anything to go by there should still be some life in the old girl yet.

Bit worried about my 5D too now but I guess it's not got a miassively high fps rate so not gonna have been getting machined gunned away like the 1D will have been.
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Thats the mk2 tho - I vaguely recall it being a higher life than mk1 when it was launched.

And yep I'm a machinegunaholic - a lot of my shooting is sport or action wildlife so its often the only way.
 
big soft moose said:
Thats the mk2 tho - I vaguely recall it being a higher life than mk1 when it was launched.

And yep I'm a machinegunaholic - a lot of my shooting is sport or action wildlife so its often the only way.
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Are you talking about my 1d or 5d?
My 1D is a mkII but not N. Think it was about 150,000 when I bought it and it won't be much higher now.
5D is the mk1 and I have no idea what it's t. Doesn't seem to have had a hard life though.
 
fixedimage said:
Are you talking about my 1d or 5d?
My 1D is a mkII but not N. Think it was about 150,000 when I bought it and it won't be much higher now.
5D is the mk1 and I have no idea what it's t. Doesn't seem to have had a hard life though.
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Sorry misunderstanding I was reffering to the chart - 200 thou is for a mk2 1DS - the one i was looking at was a mk1 and I seem to recall mk2 activation level was sold as being higher than mk 1 so i was a bit concerned that mk1s might be 100 thou
 
I wouldn't worry i know a newspaper tog who still uses a 6mp D2h, i know its Nikon but pro camera's last and last....and last :)
 
why not just buy a new camera then you have all the shots to fire ???
rather than f***y around with second hand gear ?
 
You tell me where I can buy a brand new pro spec 8mp crop sensor Canon body and I'll think about it.
Or where I can get a brand new full frame Canon body for under £500.

I have two bodies, two L lenses, two flashguns and an assortment of spare batteries all bought second hand and all for less than a new 1 series body only would cost me. Infact, I could probably chuck in getting a new shutter on both bodies and not be much over the price of a new 1 series body.
 
fixedimage said:
You tell me where I can buy a brand new pro spec 8mp crop sensor Canon body and I'll think about it.
Or where I can get a brand new full frame Canon body for under £500.

I have two bodies, two L lenses, two flashguns and an assortment of spare batteries all bought second hand and all for less than a new 1 series body only would cost me. Infact, I could probably chuck in getting a new shutter on both bodies and not be much over the price of a new 1 series body.
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yeah spot on - If I had the money for a brand new DS of couse i wouldnt be fannying arround with s/h gear but since they go for about £3.5k body only and even my car didnt cost that much :shrug:
 
A little while ago I bought a Canon 1Ds II on here with about 95,000 actuations on it.

Since the MTBF was estimated to be about 150,000 and the cost of a shutter replacement about £280 I figured the price I paid was quite reasonable.

I have since taken over 3500 pics with it without a single problem and am very glad I went for it since it's an excellent camera.

As long as you factor in the costs of the camera you can then decide whether it's for you.

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Dave1 said:
Canon USA released a shutter life chart recently, the 1 series seem to be a minimum of 200 000 actuations.
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But remember that's always the MBTF (Mean Time Before Failure). Any given camera could fail after 1,000 or 1,000,000 or anywhere in between.
 
manualfocus-g said:
You realise the 20D has an expected shutter life of just 50,000 shots?
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technically while there are some figures floating around on the internet canon never officially released a figure for the 20D.

the 20 and 30D are supposed to be nearly identical baring a few spec changes so whats to say they don't share a shutter mech which could make it 100,000.

but then thats all highly irrelevent with MTBF figures when things can fail on day 1 or exceed their expected life by a mile.
 
Flats said:
Any ideas why there is no data for a 1Dmk3?
I'd assume similar stats to the 1Dsmk3, roughly same era.
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wouldnt have thought so, mk3 does 10fps v 5fps 1ds mk3, more hammer on the shutter?
 
It could go next shutter press or it could be like my mates which did almost 400,000
 
dont worry about shutter numbers, i had my 1DSmk3 fail on 4100. but one of my 1Dmk2n was on 97,000 and still going strong when i sold it.
 
admirable said:
Have a read of this thread and then answer me in a more polite fashion.
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because after all you asked so nicely and made such a big effort to answer the question I asked :thumbsdown:

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make but I stand by my original answer - I believe the retailer concerned to be honest having dealt with them before so if they say that they've checked and that its 97 thou - i'm happy to believe them.

so the question is what I originally asked , not what you impolitely tried to tell me it is. - thanks to all those who have answered the question I actually asked, I have decided to give this one a swerve - if anyone else is interested its on mifsuds, about halfway down the page.
 
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big soft moose said:
cheers squishy - so the one in question has approx 54k or so to go - thats about 90 shooting days, I think I'll pass
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OK, so you're shooting 600 images per day - in which case, you're going to find 150k comes up at around 9 months, and 300k at 18 months.

If you're that heavy a user, then you're either making serious money from your work - in which case a grand or so is peanuts and you should buy a MkIII; or you're going to have to accept that you need a new one to use to death, and you should buy a MkIII.

No point buying a high miler if you're gong to do the same thing. They're good, but they don't last forever. At 600 clicks a day, you just have to accept a shutter failure at some point, and have a backup. So you need two MkIII's.
 
danbroad said:
OK, so you're shooting 600 images per day - in which case, you're going to find 150k comes up at around 9 months, and 300k at 18 months.
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no - i'm shooting about 600 per shooting day . I'm not a pro so I dont shoot every day.

hence my caluculation that it would give me 90 shooting days to 150, which would be a year or two.

that said I'd love two mark 3s so if you want to either give me the cash or explain to my wife why its a 'need' then feel free :lol:
 
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As others have said - it doesn't matter.

Shutter life varies so extensively from one camera to another that it's not important if a camera has been used this or that many exposures. One with 10000 actuations may fail on the next, but another sample of the same model, with 100000 actuations, may run another 100000 before it dies.

The top number of actuations I've heard about was for a 1Ds Mark III, which survived three million shots (it was used in an automatic rig, taking photos of book pages as a faster alternative to a scanner) before the shutter broke down. Since the camera was never handled, it looked like new, so they just replaced the shutter and continued.
 
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